crate engine website... is it legit ??

[mauve66]

i didn't look at the site but just remember that sometimes a "crate engine" is just a long block unless they tell you it has more.
that means no
valve covers
fuel pump
intake
carb
balancer
pulleys
fuel lines
headers/exhaust manifolds
alternator/brackets
power steering/brackets

i just don't know what you have on had to start with
depending on area cores can be 200-600 dollars plus shipping both ways

[boat-cars_are_beast]

Whats the best suggestion as to my first car like that? Preferably one that has about 400 hp and and 390 ft lbs of torque with out any mods.

[67440chrg]

If what you can afford is a 100hp slant 6 you can learn just as much with it for a lot less.

[boat-cars_are_beast]

How much is that?  I have five thousand dollars i've been saving for the past 3 years i spent the other 2k on usless things like a playstation ect.

[Brock Samson]

few folks get Chargers as their first cars - usually to get a fire breathing "Beast" muscle car as you seem to want - can take a couple to a few cars to build up to such a commitment, they tend to not be too practical for everyday use, for example i had a '65 Dodge four door sedan, then a work/play Dodge van before i could save up enough to do the Dream Car thing.
There's a car here for sale i would recommend that would be much more affordable for you, I'll find the link.

 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,82552.0.html

At your age with your assets and the steep learning curve ahead of you this would be a bitchen first car.  
I know it's fun to dream about a 440 anything, but if you want my advise you'll find something super clean and dependable that parts can be easily and cheaply found for.

 That's not true of Chargers.

But first thing, your gonna need a job and/or rich parents.

[xpbprox]

Forrest just like you I'm a young guy too (I'm 19). If there's anything I've learned abou this forum is that some of these older "mature" members aren't so mature and attack younger guys because of their ignorance on cars. They will lower themselves to "our level" and argue and expect us to just listen to them and respect them while at the same time they are acting like children themselves.

Here's a prime example
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,52213.0.html

Don't ever argue back and just post polite responses, it will make you a better person and make the other look like a douche. If it wasn't for my iPhone my garmmer and spelling would he crap haha.

[boat-cars_are_beast]

Forrest just like you I'm a young guy too (I'm 19). If there's anything I've learned abou this forum is that some of these older "mature" members aren't so mature and attack younger guys because of their ignorance on cars. They will lower themselves to "our level" and argue and expect us to just listen to them and respect them while at the same time they are acting like children themselves.

Here's a prime example
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,52213.0.html

Don't ever argue back and just post polite responses, it will make you a better person and make the other look like a douche. If it wasn't for my iPhone my garmmer and spelling would he crap haha.

great advice

[boat-cars_are_beast]

few folks get Chargers as their first cars - usually to get a fire breathing "Beast" muscle car as you seem to want - can take a couple to a few cars to build up to such a commitment, they tend to not be too practical for everyday use, for example i had a '65 Dodge four door sedan, then a work/play Dodge van before i could save up enough to do the Dream Car thing.
There's a car here for sale i would recommend that would be much more affordable for you, I'll find the link.

 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,82552.0.html

At your age with your assets and the steep learning curve ahead of you this would be a bitchen first car.  
I know it's fun to dream about a 440 anything, but if you want my advise you'll find something super clean and dependable that parts can be easily and cheaply found for.

 That's not true of Chargers.

But first thing, your gonna need a job and/or rich parents.

thanks for the help i appreciate the help

[mauve66]

back to what i was saying about the crate engine, (i thought i was trying to be helpful), if you don't have all the extra stuff i listed and you only have $5000 then i would think you could get a long block from auto zone or O'rielly and then add the rest of the stuff for less than $5000, of course thats assuming you have the trans for the big block and correct k frame or adaptors for the motor mounts
a stock rebuild should have at least 335 hp

[boat-cars_are_beast]

back to what i was saying about the crate engine, (i thought i was trying to be helpful), if you don't have all the extra stuff i listed and you only have $5000 then i would think you could get a long block from auto zone or O'rielly and then add the rest of the stuff for less than $5000, of course thats assuming you have the trans for the big block and correct k frame or adaptors for the motor mounts
a stock rebuild should have at least 335 hp

I think I need a job..... My freinds dad has offered me a 9 dollar an hour job at his small engines shop what i might do is  save up a while longer and buy this car
http://www.lemonfree.com/baa990155c7d0fd14f95c492616d727b.html-1// Does this look like a good deal?

[67440chrg]

In my opinion something like that would be a great first car. No mater how you go have fun and be carefull.

[Richard Cranium]

I think I need a job..... My freinds dad has offered me a 9 dollar an hour job at his small engines shop what i might do is  save up a while longer and buy this car
http://www.lemonfree.com/baa990155c7d0fd14f95c492616d727b.html-1// Does this look like a good deal?

You think you need a job?!?!?!? No offense Forrest, but you have Champagne tastes with a Kool-Aid budget, coupled with pie-in-the-sky dreams. Do you realize that you're going to need two $9.00 per hour jobs to be able to afford that orange A-body? Unfortunately, when you do save up enough money two years from now (unless you blow it on useless video games), it will be sold. It sounds like you are a young kid with hardly any automotive experience and not much life experience at all so why in God's name do you want to dive into a 40+ year old car that you know zero about. It will be nothing but a money pit. Personally, I suggest that you first save up and get get a fairly dependable daily driver (no matter what the brand is) and learn how to do brakes, oil changes, etc. Get your feet wet with something like that first, and most importantly, get yourself educated so that you'll eventually be able to land a higher paying job.  

[boat-cars_are_beast]

Like i said before i do have 5,000 dollars i will be getting a job and on top of that i work at my grandpas house once a week for 150$, So if you would kindly shut your trap and not shoot down my dreams i would appreciate it. THANKS!!

[Richard Cranium]

Like i said before i do have 5,000 dollars i will be getting a job and on top of that i work at my grandpas house once a week for 150$, So if you would kindly shut your trap and not shoot down my dreams i would appreciate it. THANKS!!

$5,000.00 may be all the money in the world to you Forrest, but in the world of  classic Mopars $5,000.00 is really chump change. You ask for advise, yet you don't want advise that you don't want to hear because you  have a dream. Well, be careful what you wish for because dreams can sometimes turn into nightmares.   

[64dartgt]

Keep you dreams!  Just recognize that it may take a long time for them to become a reality.  That doesn't mean that you aren't making progress though.  Regarding old Mopars, the keys to keeping the cost down are either to save your money and buy someone else's hard work for fifty cents on the dollar or at least start with something with a solid body because you will save money in the long run. 

I have two Mopars, a 64 Dart GT convertible that came from the factory with a 273 V8.  It is a cool car, although it has a face that only Ma Mopar could love.  Last year for the pushbutton automatic shifter on the dash.  It was bought new by family and I loved it nearly from birth.  I bought it about ten years ago from my Great Aunt.  So far I have replaced the rear end, rebuilt the front suspension and had the transmission rebuilt.  The car was a MA car its whole life and it has had more cheap body work and bad paint than you could imagine.  I probably have $7000 in it...but I overpaid for it...if you can haggle price with YOUR 84 year old Aunt on a car she loved for over thirty years more power to you.  She cried when I towed it away.

The second is a 73 Charger I bought for $2000 because I knew I would have the Dart off the road and apart for years soon and I needed a driver to get my Mopar fix.  It was billed as an AZ car most of its life and it was, it had just earned a little bondo the first ten years in MA before it went to AZ.  The floors and unibody are solid as a rock, but it needs patches in the rear quarters and perhaps a door.  On the plus side it is has PS/PB, AC, PW, a slapstick and a factory sunroof.  It is also not an SE, so I can make a cool RT tribute out of it.  On the minus side so far I had the tranny rebuilt for $1200 and the engine is next for about $3000.  Plus the whole fuel system and brake system have been replaced for about $1800.  So I will have nearly $9000 into it before I touch the body.  From my perspective it is still a win as I bought it instead of a much pricier Challenger.  I was having a tough time finding a decent shell for that price.

So it is definitely much cheaper to buy a car like the A-body you show for $6800.  Just be sure you or someone you bring with you can tell the difference between good work and bad work otherwise you will learn the hard way about bondo, bad body work and crooked sellers.

My advice would be to take the small engine job.  It will be a lot of fun and a heck of a primer for working on your Mopar.  The internal combustion engine doesn't very that much as size changes.  The principals are the same.  Then find yourself a solid car with a 318 in it.  It won't take much knowledge to get decent HP out of a 318.  Headers, a new 4bbl carb and an intake for starters...and the neat thing is all of it will bolt right onto the 360 you are building on the side with more compression and HP. 

Learning is half the fun.  If you want a low dollar high HP car with no effort buy a used Mustang GT.  Just take it easy as I had a number of friends get in bad wrecks with them.  Any high HP car is a handful to an inexperienced driver and rear wheel drive makes it more of a challenge, not less.

[boat-cars_are_beast]

Like i said before i do have 5,000 dollars i will be getting a job and on top of that i work at my grandpas house once a week for 150$, So if you would kindly shut your trap and not shoot down my dreams i would appreciate it. THANKS!!

$5,000.00 may be all the money in the world to you Forrest, but in the world of  classic Mopars $5,000.00 is really chump change. You ask for advise, yet you don't want advise that you don't want to hear because you  have a dream. Well, be careful what you wish for because dreams can sometimes turn into nightmares.   

It actually isnt all the money in the world to me.... but im staarting this early in life so I have plenty of time to save up and work on it... I love advice but your dosent seem to have a positive side to it . 5000$ may not be alot but its alot to start with and to save up when your MY AGE ... But you older and have better jobs then me so I consider my self pretty succesful.  I dont mind your advice either you make my dream more real. So even though im arguing with you every thing you say it's (SLOWLY) sinking in which is why i've desided to wait till i have 15 k to buy a car ..During the school year im going to be working @ B&H auto because its a few minute walk from school and its an all year job but im starting with small engines for now, Thanks again !!! 

[boat-cars_are_beast]

Keep you dreams!  Just recognize that it may take a long time for them to become a reality.  That doesn't mean that you aren't making progress though.  Regarding old Mopars, the keys to keeping the cost down are either to save your money and buy someone else's hard work for fifty cents on the dollar or at least start with something with a solid body because you will save money in the long run. 

I have two Mopars, a 64 Dart GT convertible that came from the factory with a 273 V8.  It is a cool car, although it has a face that only Ma Mopar could love.  Last year for the pushbutton automatic shifter on the dash.  It was bought new by family and I loved it nearly from birth.  I bought it about ten years ago from my Great Aunt.  So far I have replaced the rear end, rebuilt the front suspension and had the transmission rebuilt.  The car was a MA car its whole life and it has had more cheap body work and bad paint than you could imagine.  I probably have $7000 in it...but I overpaid for it...if you can haggle price with YOUR 84 year old Aunt on a car she loved for over thirty years more power to you.  She cried when I towed it away.
The second is a 73 Charger I bought for $2000 because I knew I would have the Dart off the road and apart for years soon and I needed a driver to get my Mopar fix.  It was billed as an AZ car most of its life and it was, it had just earned a little bondo the first ten years in MA before it went to AZ.  The floors and unibody are solid as a rock, but it needs patches in the rear quarters and perhaps a door.  On the plus side it is has PS/PB, AC, PW, a slapstick and a factory sunroof.  It is also not an SE, so I can make a cool RT tribute out of it.  On the minus side so far I had the tranny rebuilt for $1200 and the engine is next for about $3000.  Plus the whole fuel system and brake system have been replaced for about $1800.  So I will have nearly $9000 into it before I touch the body.  From my perspective it is still a win as I bought it instead of a much pricier Challenger.  I was having a tough time finding a decent shell for that price.

So it is definitely much cheaper to buy a car like the A-body you show for $6800.  Just be sure you or someone you bring with you can tell the difference between good work and bad work otherwise you will learn the hard way about bondo, bad body work and crooked sellers.

My advice would be to take the small engine job.  It will be a lot of fun and a heck of a primer for working on your Mopar.  The internal combustion engine doesn't very that much as size changes.  The principals are the same.  Then find yourself a solid car with a 318 in it.  It won't take much knowledge to get decent HP out of a 318.  Headers, a new 4bbl carb and an intake for starters...and the neat thing is all of it will bolt right onto the 360 you are building on the side with more compression and HP. 

Learning is half the fun.  If you want a low dollar high HP car with no effort buy a used Mustang GT.  Just take it easy as I had a number of friends get in bad wrecks with them.  Any high HP car is a handful to an inexperienced driver and rear wheel drive makes it more of a challenge, not less.

I like the idea of the mustang but the all look the same i'd rather save up... Unless their the old ones like the shelby gt500 cj7
:drool5:I dont really want a stock ride either.. Even though their beautiful I want a bad looking paint job and a fast engine !! Until I thought about how ugly it would be lol so im thinking a steely blue with metalics