I change my vote...is it too late for CLASSIC-CHARGER.com?

[ChargerBill]

I'm really not going to be quiet about this... It's going to get out of hand and many members are going to disappear if it does. This site isn't about the '06 Creeder, or any new plastic car for that matter. I still have the artwork for Classic-Charger.com and I am serious about the name change. Go ahead and like the car, but this is NOT the place to discuss it. I am here because I like OLD cars...REAL Muscle cars. I hate new cars...and I'm sure many here agree. It was 70% here who disliked the Charmagnum... did everyone forget that? Classic-Charger.com was the TOP name choice before DodgeCharger.com became available (who's idea was that anyway?) This isn't a flame against the Pig-nosed Gallant throwback Creeder so much as it is a REMINDER what this site is about and was intended to be. Say whatever you like, but I WILL NOT agree with allowing Magnum Sedan discussion to become a mainstay here. There are boards for that...go there.

Actually, now that I think about it, maybe we DO need a dedicated '06 section in the forum. ANY thread pertaining to the '06 crap goes there....PERIOD. You post outside that area and even whisper "Creeder", "06", "Charmagnum", etc... your thread gets RELOCATED there. That way we could all AVOID even seeing any of that idiocy, and those who want to participate can have a hay day. Now, I would RATHER that we DO NOT allow this garbage here, but if we must and Troy feels like giving into the lunatics, then give them their OWN asylum to run...so that all of us SANE members can freely discuss matters of IMPORTANCE and REAL cars.

BTW: This new forum section should be CIRCULAR in shape and I would like a FLUSH button on my browser to use whenever I see fit. (now if I could only find the FLUSH smiley I'd be happy)

DISCLAIMER: Much of the TONE of this thread is tongue in cheek and sarcastic, but the basic premise is REALLY how I feel. No need to take offense at words such as "lunatics" or "crap" or "idiocy"...I'm trying to get my point accross as clearly as possible. THIS IS NOT A '06 CHARGER discussion forum. In fact, please note the CARS at the top of this design.

[NHCharger]

I feel your pain Bill. Maybe the easiest solution would be a section for the 06 charger. After a while all the new 06 owners would realize what their missing when they check out the real Charger sections.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

No comment on the '06 stuff but I think the logo's/look of the test site looks bitchin'!!

[bull]

Everyone says the classic Charger and the '06 are apples and oranges. This is an apples site. The oranges should be kept elsewhere.

[CFMopar]

I really dont care....

Its more the people here that keep me here and not the cars.

EVEN YOU BILL! You big burly cuddly angry bear... 

[ChargerBill]

I really dont care....

Its more the people here that keep me here and not the cars.

EVEN YOU BILL! You big burly cuddly angry bear...  

Allright, point taken....just don't talk about the Creeder and we're fine.....

[AKcharger]

Yup..too late the train has already left the station

Really I haven't noticed that many '06 people

[TheGhost]

So, does this mean that the members with the 80s Chargers and the Cordoba Chargers won't be welcome, anymore, because they aren't lucky enough to own a REAL Charger?

[Judhudson]

I want that test site Bill!!!  Great work.  It'd be cool if Troy could use it if he'd want to 

[Wakko]

That layout looks GREAT.   Seriously, I agree with having a section about the new Charger. 

[RD]

So, does this mean that the members with the 80s Chargers and the Cordoba Chargers won't be welcome, anymore, because they aren't lucky enough to own a REAL Charger?

it is not that they will not be welcome, it is just that this forum is not geared to the cars in which they own.  Anyone can post here (like I am speaking for troy or something LOL), it is just that the information that you may find here may not be suitable for the project that they are focused on.

Bill,  I like them thar graphics, I am a post whore according to you though hehehe   (which is probably not too far from the truth)

[Troy]

I want that test site Bill!!! Great work. It'd be cool if Troy could use it if he'd want to

I think you're a bit confused.... that is the new version of this site but it's not finished.

As for the New Charger stuff, we've never really been "the place" to hang out for Magnums and 4th or 5th gen Chargers. The topics do come up on occasion and are generally handled pretty well (just like many other Mopar topics). Although there are many discussions about newer cars, I don't plan on catering to the "New" Charger at all because, honestly, I don't have the time or motivation to read about them. I'd be more willing to start a new site specifically for them (with mods that actually care about the subject) rather than add more to this one. I know that right now this is strictly a forum but there really are other parts to the site. Once the frontend of the site is created it should be more obvious to casual observers. You guys voted on the name but no one voted on the content of the site. It's been a pain in my rear though and it isn't changing.

As for the attitudes and hostility it's going to stop. I really don't care what you think of the new one or why. It doesn't give you the right to treat new members with disdain or to openly insult them. This site has grown because of the fact that it's a great community and people are willing to help. Some members here are starting to sound like the elitist jerks are car shows that I can't stand. It's one of the reasons I dropped out of the car scene for so long. The previous D-C.com site and its members are a big part of why I'm excited about cars again and I would hope that there are more people out there who can benefit from this group. Acting like a bunch of schoolchildren isn't helping anyone's opinions of us (especially if many members stay in the wings and don't comment). Yes, I'm partially to blame for not setting some guidelines earlier but I have had other things on my mind. As usual, if you don't like the topic then don't bother reading. That's the best advice I can give. If you can't act civil to others then your posting privileges can and will be removed. Always remember that this forum is public and that not everyone who reads a particular post will respond but they will form an opinion of this site and its members.

FYI - I don't deal well with demands and I'm a bit tired of people telling me what they think I should do. Constructive criticism or advice is always welcomed but most of the time when I get an ultimatum I'm tempted to let the individual follow through. I'd rather not lose anyone but I'm mostly tired of my inbox being full of whiners, complainers, grade school bickering, and rude people in general. I can do without that garbage so threatening to leave isn't much incentive for me to act. Most everyone here is a grown up so act like it and learn to get along.

That was my rant for this week so, other than that, have a nice day!

Troy

PS. If you haven't learned to pick out the important parts of what I write then send me a PM and ask what I meant. If you think anything I wrote was directed at you in particular then ask before you get bent out of shape. I merged a whole boatload of thoughts into one post and it's not directed at any one person. I think I need this as a disclaimer...

[89MOPAR]

 Can general discussion be split into 2 sections ?
1 section for 74 and earlier Chargers
1 section for 75 and later chargers

I know the 75 and later will probably get only 10% of the total, compared to the main focus.

Another board I frequent is a mustang board - they have it split out for ; early mustangs, mustang 2's, 5.0 fox body mustangs, 4.6 mustangs,special service mustangs , etc.

Not sure how hard it would be to manage- we do have about 5 subdivisions of street and race tech, etc, already.
people are too polarized on this subject of real and not real. D-C made it . they called it a charger. they invested the cash for tooling,labor, R+D, dealers, etc.
Not you, not me. They can call it what they want.
Until board members form and finance their own corporation, buy the name rights for the "Charger" automobile from Daimler-Chrysler, and produce our own car...
  Thats going to be the situation. 
 

[dads_69]

Just my 2 cents. Why do people keep forming topics about the new charger? Its beyond obvious that over 70% of us who log in here everyday dislike the new style. WE can not change what it has become. I'm not saying for the record that I like the new design myself, I'm just saying that when a new member signs on here, how long are we gonna bash him or her for owning something that we all don't? Not all of us can afford a new car or truck, I bet a small percentaige of us can as well. What my point is here is that I've noticed that I myself have gotten caught up in some of the rediculous topics and made comments, even when I shouldn't have, unlike this time cause its worth every penny I'm saying this time. All I',m getting at is stop and think about what it is your gonna type before you hammer down on somebody who comes in here new or old timer. Tempers fly, some are pissed some don't come back for a while or again at all. Take this for instance, durring the 9/11 attacks, we in the USA were attacked by a Foreign country, we all came together then, why not now reguardless of what he or she drives? I don't mean to piss in your corn flakes but why keep starting a topic about the new charger?
Mark

69' charger
86' GLHS
03' Dodge QC 4x4 Hemi

[bull]

Just my 2 cents. Why do people keep forming topics about the new charger? Its beyond obvious that over 70% of us who log in here everyday dislike the new style. WE can not change what it has become.

Good question. Mostly it's a few trolls who like to stir things up. Until the recent couple of new '06 threads on General Discussion there's hasn't been much '06 talk here at all lately. Funny how those two new threads caused somone to decide to dredge up the old '06 opinion poll that's like four months old or older.

[TruckDriver]

Just my 2 cents. Why do people keep forming topics about the new charger? Its beyond obvious that over 70% of us who log in here everyday dislike the new style. WE can not change what it has become.

Good question. Mostly it's a few trolls who like to stir things up. Until the recent couple of new '06 threads on General Discussion there's hasn't been much '06 talk here at all lately. Funny how those two new threads caused somone to decide to dredge up the old '06 opinion poll that's like four months old or older.

I think the car is one of the ugliest on the road now, so I could care less about it. I dont even bother reading ANYTHING on the board that has '06 in the thred title. Or on the supposed new '09 Challenger I DO TOTALLY AGREE WITH TROY ON THIS TOO.......................................................................................................................................................................................




WHO CARES

[Judhudson]

I want that test site Bill!!! Great work. It'd be cool if Troy could use it if he'd want to

I think you're a bit confused.... that is the new version of this site but it's not finished.

You're right, I was confused.  My bad.  Man, I'm excited, the new site looks great!  Keep up the good work, both of you! 

[ChargerBill]

I want that test site Bill!!! Great work. It'd be cool if Troy could use it if he'd want to

I think you're a bit confused.... that is the new version of this site but it's not finished.

You're right, I was confused.   My bad.   Man, I'm excited, the new site looks great!   Keep up the good work, both of you!  

Troy does all the work...I only did the visual part. Once I'm done, he will carry on doing all the work, and I won't have to do anything. Troy deserves all the credit here....

BTW: Thanks guys, glad you like the design.

[BB1]

Very nice job Bill. 

As for the 06 stuff, I agree it has been over the top lately. I shouldn't click on it, but like a train wreck I gota look.
The troll thing is a problem with public forums, can't police it. But just think of this "Golden rule" and it will go away.

"If you don't have anything nice to say don't post a thread."

[73dodge]

Might as well get used to the 06 Charger it's not going away, and it won't loose 2 doors anytime soon. I have a sneaking suspision that if Mercedes Benz would have made the 06 Charger with 2 doors it would have more fans on this site.

[andy74]

thanks for all you do Troy,you are the man!  and Bill, i couldnt agree with you more-i sell the freaking things,and its hard when you dont believe in the product

[AKcharger]

My cat says: "Thanks for all the work on the site Troy" and also "all people are welcome here"

[Shakey]

thanks for all you do Troy,you are the man!   and Bill, i couldnt agree with you more-i sell the freaking things,and its hard when you dont believe in the product

Andy, how could you not believe in the product?

It is a car and it gets people from point A to point B - true?

Be careful not to think with your heart instead of your head when it comes to business!

[Shakey]

Very nice job Bill.  

As for the 06 stuff, I agree it has been over the top lately. I shouldn't click on it, but like a train wreck I gota look.
The troll thing is a problem with public forums, can't police it. But just think of this "Golden rule" and it will go away.

"If you don't have anything nice to say don't post a thread."

You should be able to say anything to anyone.  I have always thought the golden rule was:

It is not what you say, it is how you say it.

[BB1]

I'm talking about only the Trolls, it doesn't take a super genius to pick one out.


Troll noun:

An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other
(electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect,
but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the
act of sending such a message. Trolling aims to elicit an
emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply
key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their
minds.

Even this thread is getting highjacked.

[Orange_Crush]

If it IS trolling...it seems like folks around here make EXCELLENT bait.

I'm sure there are more than a few guys who are delighting in coming here and giving you guys aneurisms.  Hell...I'm having a blast just watching!

[Ponch ®]

FYI - I don't deal well with demands and I'm a bit tired of people telling me what they think I should do. 

Troy

You should ban them!

[70charginglizard]

Funny how those two new threads caused somone to decide to dredge up the old '06 opinion poll that's like four months old or older.

Only dredged up for informative reasons to new members when I see aguements starting to occur within new posts. Thats all.


2006 dodge charger forum-
http://www.chargerforums.com/

[mustanghater]

when is the site going to look like that?

[6pkrunner]

Bill the new graphics are simply stunning! Hats off for very nice work.
Troy - sorry to hear you're getting tons of PMs that aren't congratulatory in nature. Guess that's one of the reasons I never liked dealing with the public in mass. Hats off to you for eunning the show and keeping a cool attitude when it goes to chit.

[Charger_Fan]

If it IS trolling...it seems like folks around here make EXCELLENT bait.

I'm sure there are more than a few guys who are delighting in coming here and giving you guys aneurisms.   Hell...I'm having a blast just watching!

So........does that make us sheep or lemmings?






Oh & that looks BITCHIN' Bill!

[NHCharger]

I can do without that garbage so threatening to leave isn't much incentive for me to act.

LOL, some people are really full of themselves.
The new website design looks smoking. Please don't forget to add a 3rd gen pic to the top, although I don't want to sound like a crybaby. 
All in all I think this is by far the best board I've had the pleasure to be on. Yeah there are a few nutcases here but you get that on every board.
Maybe Troy can rig something up so every thread title that mentions 06 Charger gets automatically routed over to Moparts, that would give them all something to bicker about.

[Troy]

when is the site going to look like that?

When you finish the graphics and write all the code?

Troy

[Chris G.]

Maybe Troy can rig something up so every thread title that mentions 06 Charger gets automatically routed over to Moparts, that would give them all something to bicker about.

Not to defend Moparts, but the discussions of the '06 Charger over there, are far more intelligent than the one's here. There are a few members here that really rip the new Charger, and they are also members over there and you never hear a peep from them about it.  

I agree the design looks great, but what happens if Bill keeps blowing gaskets over this new Charger? Does he take his design and run?       Kidding Bill.

[mustanghater]

when is the site going to look like that?

When you finish the graphics and write all the code?

Troy

I got a place you can test out all that stuff to see how it looks.

[Shakey]

Maybe Troy can rig something up so every thread title that mentions 06 Charger gets automatically routed over to Moparts, that would give them all something to bicker about.

Not to defend Moparts, but the discussions of the '06 Charger over there, are far more intelligent than the one's here. There are a few members here that really rip the new Charger, and they are also members over there and you never hear a peep from them about it.  

  I have noticed that also.

[Troy]

Can general discussion be split into 2 sections ?
1 section for 74 and earlier Chargers
1 section for 75 and later chargers

people are too polarized on this subject of real and not real. D-C made it . they called it a charger. they invested the cash for tooling,labor, R+D, dealers, etc.
Not you, not me. They can call it what they want.

But, I/we don't have to support it no matter what they called it. This site is fairly focused on a particular subject and splitting it down the middle isn't the best solution in my opinion. I don't plan on a tech section, advertising, or member's rides for any new Chrysler product. There are other places that will cater to them and I don't have the drive to compete. I'd much rather make this the place to be for the originals (and what most of the current members are interested in). That doesn't mean I'll ban all topics on the 06 - just that I don't plan on doing anything special. We talk about ricers, Neons, trucks, and other makes of cars here without having a special place for them.

I want that test site Bill!!! Great work. It'd be cool if Troy could use it if he'd want to

I think you're a bit confused.... that is the new version of this site but it's not finished.

You're right, I was confused.  My bad.  Man, I'm excited, the new site looks great!  Keep up the good work, both of you! 

Troy does all the work...I only did the visual part. Once I'm done, he will carry on doing all the work, and I won't have to do anything. Troy deserves all the credit here....

BTW: Thanks guys, glad you like the design.

All the work? In my line of business there are the people who make it pretty and the people who make it function. I'm not one of the ones who makes it pretty but a really good site needs both. I really hate this grey site even though it seems to work pretty well...  the new stuff looks great but I still have to go over stuff with you.

Very nice job Bill. 

As for the 06 stuff, I agree it has been over the top lately. I shouldn't click on it, but like a train wreck I gota look.
The troll thing is a problem with public forums, can't police it. But just think of this "Golden rule" and it will go away.

"If you don't have anything nice to say don't post a thread."

What's the difference between a true troll and someone in the wrong place at the wrong time? I always get suspicious when someone registers and then immediately starts a new thread on the new Charger. Most of the time I would bet that they didn't read anything before posting and then they act surprised. Yes, people should learn a little tact.

Might as well get used to the 06 Charger it's not going away, and it won't loose 2 doors anytime soon. I have a sneaking suspision that if Mercedes Benz would have made the 06 Charger with 2 doors it would have more fans on this site.

I can get used to it without having endless discussions about it.

thanks for all you do Troy,you are the man!  and Bill, i couldnt agree with you more-i sell the freaking things,and its hard when you dont believe in the product

My cat says: "Thanks for all the work on the site Troy" and also "all people are welcome here"

You're welcome!

FYI - I don't deal well with demands and I'm a bit tired of people telling me what they think I should do. 

Troy

You should ban them!

Should I ban ALL the troublemakers???

Bill the new graphics are simply stunning! Hats off for very nice work.
Troy - sorry to hear you're getting tons of PMs that aren't congratulatory in nature. Guess that's one of the reasons I never liked dealing with the public in mass. Hats off to you for eunning the show and keeping a cool attitude when it goes to chit.

I'm going to write a book I think. I always wanted to write one but now I have an endless supply of material. One of the reasons I tried to keep out of things on the old site. I do get a large number of complimentary PMs too so it's not all bad. Gotta thank Chris and Neil for keeping things running smoothly too.

I can do without that garbage so threatening to leave isn't much incentive for me to act.

LOL, some people are really full of themselves.
The new website design looks smoking. Please don't forget to add a 3rd gen pic to the top, although I don't want to sound like a crybaby. 
All in all I think this is by far the best board I've had the pleasure to be on. Yeah there are a few nutcases here but you get that on every board.
Maybe Troy can rig something up so every thread title that mentions 06 Charger gets automatically routed over to Moparts, that would give them all something to bicker about.

Yes they are. You want a what in the picture? I didn't think they made a Charger before OR after 1968...

when is the site going to look like that?

When you finish the graphics and write all the code?

Troy

I got a place you can test out all that stuff to see how it looks.

Uhhh... 

Troy

[Shakey]

Well, that should just about cover everything!

[NHCharger]

I can do without that garbage so threatening to leave isn't much incentive for me to act.

LOL, some people are really full of themselves.
The new website design looks smoking. Please don't forget to add a 3rd gen pic to the top, although I don't want to sound like a crybaby. 
All in all I think this is by far the best board I've had the pleasure to be on. Yeah there are a few nutcases here but you get that on every board.
Maybe Troy can rig something up so every thread title that mentions 06 Charger gets automatically routed over to Moparts, that would give them all something to bicker about.

Yes they are. You want a what in the picture? I didn't think they made a Charger before OR after 1968...

Troy

Ouch, That would hurt my feelings if I had any.

Burnt, I was kinda making a generalization about moparts. One of their own mods said it has become a "bicker board mentality" over there. Incase you haven't noticed everyone's a expert over there, just ask them. Much more laid back here, matter of fact, time for a cold one

[Chris G.]

Burnt, I was kinda making a generalization about moparts. One of their own mods said it has become a "bicker board mentality" over there. Incase you haven't noticed everyone's a expert over there, just ask them. Much more laid back here, matter of fact, time for a cold one

I totally agree that this place is much more laid back than Moparts. I'm the last guy to defend that place. I have been banned before, and have seen how bad it can get. I'll join you for a cold one. 

[mustanghater]

this ones for you troy 

[Khyron]

Yes they are. You want a what in the picture? I didn't think they made a Charger before OR after 1968...

[89MOPAR]

 Thanks for the reply.  My suggestion was meant to help those with the big aversion help themselves by avoidance.
Didn't mean to imply you should cater to post-74 vehicles.   

[Troy]

Thanks for the reply. My suggestion was meant to help those with the big aversion help themselves by avoidance.
Didn't mean to imply you should cater to post-74 vehicles.

I didn't think you did which is why I tried to explain that part better. Can't make everyone happy and I really have put a lot of thought into a "New Charger" section. Looking at it logically, we really don't get enough traffic on post-74 cars to justify their own section. As far as I know, none of the regular members even own an 06 so the only reason to set aside an area is to attract new members which isn't really a goal of mine. That still doesn't give anyone the right to be a jerk to someone new though. The same people with an attitude would be sure to frequent the new section so it's not really helping in that area either. If someone has technical questions or "where do I buy bling" then politely point them to where they will find answers. This is all subject to change in the future so I'm open for intelligent discussion.

Troy

[TeeWJay426]

Troy- thanks for all you have done and continue to do to keep this site going!. I don't like the Creeder myself, but I figure that the few 'trolls' we have gotten and will get in the future won't be around long- they will figure out fairly quickly that this isn't the place for them, unless they're total morons. I'm all for being civil to them untill they see the light. For that reason, I stay away from most '06 discussions now- too much head butting in the past to bother with it anymore. Bottom line, it's DCX's name, car, and it ain't gonna disappear, so we gotta at least coexist with it and its owners on some level. A seperate section might be warranted if the clueless keep stumbling in here, but the new graphics (which look absolutely kick-a$$, by the way!) should help divert them elsewhere in the future. I personally don't see the need to change a thing beyond that!

[Brock Samson]

 Whew... I'm sure glad I didn't get quoted!   

BTW: I noticed noone said much when the 300 was made a four door, front drive, and a V-6. but i figgure most it's oringinal fans are deep sixed... 

[ChargerBill]

when is the site going to look like that?

When you finish the graphics and write all the code?

Troy

//

Dang Troy, you never mentioned that Mustanghater was in charge of this.... 

[ChargerBill]

Maybe Troy can rig something up so every thread title that mentions 06 Charger gets automatically routed over to Moparts, that would give them all something to bicker about.

Not to defend Moparts, but the discussions of the '06 Charger over there, are far more intelligent than the one's here. There are a few members here that really rip the new Charger, and they are also members over there and you never hear a peep from them about it.  

I agree the design looks great, but what happens if Bill keeps blowing gaskets over this new Charger? Does he take his design and run?       Kidding Bill.

LOL...good point. Naww, this isn't my design...it's yours....it's DodgeCharger.com's. Besides, I'd have to fly out to Troys, then figure out the code, then probably have to sit on Troy so he'd keep still while I deleted the images...it's way too much of a hassle...

As soon as Troy and I get the dimensions and his specific graphic requirements ironed out we will be close. Going from a static image to one that is correctly sliced up and stretchy and wil interact according to users specs is not a simple feat...especially when plugging the graphics into a dynamic interface.

[RD]

so we will expect to see the new graphics for the website about the same time the new challenger is introduced huh? with MH behind the wheel that is

[psykicpup]

- Bill the graphics look great .... can wait to see them .. not thay I object to the grey (Troy) esp as it blends so well with the work screen - they have their own forum/sale borad which looks pretty close from where my Supervisor sits lol!

Troy - I agree totally with you & have been disapointted with some peoples welcome to '06 owner who have strayed here. I do wonder tho which is worse an 'old charger' fan who will never own one or some one who buys a  new charger 'cos his dad/grandad had one & has fond memories of the name? anyhow! just occured to me that that we dont have a links section & that might be useful for the strays we dont scare away! - I know you are fed up with suggestions but if someone started a topic maybe it could be stickied 0 just dont ask me  I move in very small circles lol