Opinions Wanted

[6PakBee]

I would like some opinions.  I have a project Superbird.  B5, white bench interior (has buckets), column auto, 440 single 4bbl.  Have build sheet and fender tag.  Needs paint, interior, minor body work.  Engine and trans are sound.  How much $cash plus the Superbird would I have to come up with to get a project Daytona in the same condtion or slightly worse?  Trying to post a picture.  Thanks.

[6PakBee]

Picture.

[mauve66]

 

[moparstuart]

the trouble is finding the project daytona , they just dont come around often . Unless you already know of one  ?

[6PakBee]

Good point.  That is the type of feedback I'm looking for.     Frankly I don't know of a Daytona project.  But if one popped up I would like to have a little bit of an idea of relative values.

[BigBlockSam]

 

[Patronus]

I certainly dont speak for everyone, but I think the Superbird guys are nuttier than the Daytona guys. (did I just start something) But really, in my opinion the Superbird makes more mouths water than a Daytona. (certainly my brother's) Fewer Daytona's means more $. Look at the recent project 500's up for sale, bringing what, $40K? Add the wing/nose and guys would pay twice that. The last Daytona project I saw was removed from the ravine. And Im sure you dont want that. There's more experienced than I here, for sure.. Just my opinions.. Nice car and pic. And thanks for sharing, love seeing the secret stashes..

[Chargen69]

money aside, the daytonas are way better than a bird  

[Aero426]

Your car + 30k = Project Daytona.

B5 Bird with a white bucket interior is a nice combo.

[A383Wing]

Your car + 30k = Project Daytona.

I was thinking about the same thing as Doug...but he beat me to the post

Bryan

[6PakBee]

Your car + 30k = Project Daytona.

Finally a couple "Old Timer"s who aren't into popcorn.    Thanks guys.  Now I have a reference.  

[JB400]

My opinion, restore the bird, then sell/ trade for an already done Daytona.  I understand the provenance of owning a Daytona, but a Superbird is a very close second.  Even if you don't find a Daytona, you can still enjoy the Superbird.



I see a Charger in the pic, but what are the other cars, if you don't mind me asking?

[A383Wing]

even if he restores the 'Bird, he's still gonna have to cough up more money to sell/trade for an already done Daytona

no sense in restoring 2 wing cars to get one...I say if you want a Daytona, save the money that you would put into the 'Bird resto and use that as the money to go along with the trade

Bryan

[charger Downunder]

I would like some opinions.  I have a project Superbird.  B5, white bench interior (has buckets), column auto, 440 single 4bbl.  Have build sheet and fender tag.  Needs paint, interior, minor body work.  Engine and trans are sound.  How much $cash plus the Superbird would I have to come up with to get a project Daytona in the same condtion or slightly worse?  Trying to post a picture.  Thanks.

Stuff the paint sounds like a good bird just do whats needed to be done to get it on the road and drive it like it is.

[69_500]

Even if it was a driver it would be about the 30k gap that Doug mentioned. AT on column on a 4 bbl bird is not going to bring the money even a similar Daytona would.

Would venture to say in current condition you might be looking at about a 35-40k car. And the last similar Daytona I have eard of would set you back around 70-75k.

[johnnyseville]

I would really have to disagree, I keep track of prices on both, only a slight difference between them, all equal. I would say max 10K advantage for a Daytona in the real world.   If you want my advice, trade it for a 4 spd Hemi Charger, you will never look back or want to sell it again.

[1970Moparmann]

The biggest factor is production numbers.  Daytona's are few and far between to find.  Honestly, I just bought a Bird that I could afford and I've been looking for 15 years.  Prices just climbed and climbed.  A "complete" driving Daytona around $90 - $100k right now is what I have seen them going for.  A project Daytona, good luck.  There are a few hanging around that "Wing Nuts" have been following, but it is the standard story "I plan on restoring it in the future". 

Clean up your car, see what is there, and depending on how it is after a good cleaning and mechanical check, maybe you can get $50k - $55k in it's condition. 

[1970Moparmann]

What else is in sitting near the Bird?? 

[xs29j8Bullitt]

Would venture to say in current condition you might be looking at about a 35-40k car. And the last similar Daytona I have eard of would set you back around 70-75k.

 ...Basically a 2 to 1 price difference for comparable project cars...  finished cars are maybe 50-60% higher for the Daytona...

I would trade my 4 Spd 440 Superbird with several storage totes of NOS parts for a comparable Daytona and throw in the $10K without hesitating... or trade a  project Daytona & project Superbird for a turn-key Daytona...  

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,84806

[xs29j8Bullitt]

A project Daytona, good luck.  There are a few hanging around that "Wing Nuts" have been following, but it is the standard story "I plan on restoring it in the future".  

Even Wing Nuts have projects just sitting for the moment...

[b5blue]

Allen you have the best toy box I've ever seen!!! 

[xs29j8Bullitt]

Allen you have the best toy box I've ever seen!!! 

I do like my toybox, but need fewer toys... all turn-key though...

Here is a night-vision view of them tonight... 

[Redbird]

Really nice project, especially the white bench interior!

And I like the whitewalls, because I think there were a lot of cars in 1970 with 14" wheels and whitewalls.

I'd suggest finding a value for the Superbird. Does it need a trunk floor and quarters? Do the numbers really match?

I believe it would take both a lot of time and luck to do the trade you are considering.

Restoring a car you don't know is really a big potential upside down situation, especially if you don't know a lot about a specific car model. I don't see restoring this to sell off and then buy another car would be a good deal for you.

I get that you may be trying to avoid paying the Capitol Gains. So I wouldn't expect anything to happen quickly.

[6PakBee]

Wow, thanks for all the comments.  I asked for opinions and I'm glad I got opinions with some thought behind them.  To clarify some things:  In my opinion a '69 Charger is much superior to a '70 Roadruner as far as styling goes.  So a Daytona is much prettier car than a Superbird.  I would rather have a Daytona for that fact alone.  Couple that with the fact that I have no '70 Roadrunner/Belvedere/Satellite parts but do have a bunch of '68/'69'70 Charger stuff, even parts are an advantage with the Daytona option.  

The engine and transmission are replacements, both 1969 versions.  I bought the car from the second owner and he blew the engine up in 1974 and for some reason he couldn't remember replaced the trans at the same time.  He also replaced the bench seat with the buckets but it is definitely a bench car from the build sheet.  The only metal work it needs is at the very bottom of the right quarter where it looks like somebody spilled fertilizer into the gap between the quarter and the extension.  The wing has to have some cosmetic repair and the nose shows the effects of a driver with no bumper.  Other than that, I can see nothing that needs attention.

I've considered making a clone as I have a really nice '69 Charger roller available.  I've talked to Dane about a wing, Dayclona about glass parts, and other suppliers for components to make a Daytona clone and to do it right, in my opinion, you are looking at $30K easily.  So if $30K would make this deal I'm contemplating go through, I would think that would be a better way to go.

Why now?  I got the Superbird about ten years ago because I could afford it at the time.  Now the kids are gone, house is paid off, ....I have a more disposable income and decided before I start on the Superbird, I'll see what you folks thought about my suggestion.  

Honestly I don't want to talk about the other cars.  Call me paranoid but so be it.

Thanks again for all the suggestions!!  

[1970Moparmann]

Personally, I would much rather have a real Bird than a Clone Daytona, your call obviously. 

Get in touch with 41Husk (Allen).  He has one of the best clones I personally have seen, and may do a trade.  His car started off as a 69 RT/SE, and has air.   

$30k in a restoration is probably pretty accurate, BUT, your car is worth much more than $30k.  Put it this way, if you put the Bird on an ad here or on Moparts, I wouldn't doubt that the car would sell in less than 12 hours.   

Just my  .