69 Charger H code 383 4 speed WIW

[Charger_69]

 I found this 69 Charger yesterday at a storage yard that had a few Cordobas for sale, I drove by and turned aroud to find this 69! I couldn't believe it, i looked at going its rough but not that bad, saw ita a 383 hi perf, looked inside there is no interior but i saw a Hurst handle. Make a long story short i go to the office to find its been sold already and the new buyer wants to flip it, well i wasn't expecting the price but after sleeping on it i decided to go back today and say im interested in it and gave my #.

Here are some pic's it's 90% + rust free and is suppose to come with the seats etc. It occured to me after i left that the engine probably is not original since it has a A/C compressor on it. It could be a 440 i don't know. I did peek in the trunk and it has the factory bumper jack for icing on the cake. What do you guys think its worth if most of the parts are included.?

[JB400]

Nice find, hope you get it.

[skip68]

Without more pictures I'd guess $6k-$8k. 

[Charger_69]

He wants 5k, we will see how it pans out, im probably will pay it if the seats etc are there.

[Lord Warlock]

may have the compressor, but it doesn't have the heaterbox or ac hookups coming thru the firewall.  It has the holes, just not the tubes that extend through.  Radiator also is different then a 440 usually has.  5k sounds like a lot, but it may be worth it to some.  Considering what parts cost on these, you could probably part it for that much.

[Ghoste]

Is that an H51 on the fender tag?  It looks like it on the monitor I'm trying to read it off of and if it is that would indicate that it came with a/c.

[bakerhillpins]

I am with you on that H51 which would be AC.

383 4spd cars could get AC all though I thought you needed the 26" rad with that option. Regardless the firewall is not correct for an AC car. Nor is the fact that it's got what looks like an old white vinyl top which isn't on the tag. I would look next to the brake master cylinder for the 3rd pedal reinforcement bracket that is on all 4spd cars.

It's also a 2x green car since I don't see a code for the top. 

[Ghoste]

I think you are right, you had to have the big rad.  I can't see the firewall clearly enough so I defer to your better view.

[bakerhillpins]

Almost looks like a Y2 yellow car in the engine bay. I would check the body #s at a minimum before I bought it. Does the vin match that which is on the tag?

it's 90% + rust free and i

Are you sure about that?  This quarter looks like it has a lot of bondo in it.  Seems mighty wavy.

[Ghoste]

Not to mention the chunks that are missing.

[bakerhillpins]

I think you are right, you had to have the big rad.  I can't see the firewall clearly enough so I defer to your better view.

Compare this pic to one on the 69 Registry. Where the 2 holes are for the heater plumbing in front of the passengers knees is where the blower motor should poke through the fire wall. Plus there are 2 extra pipes for the AC lines that should be in the vicinity of the ballast resistor.



Compared to:

http://www.1969chargerregistry.com/gallery/engineshots/5DYJ500_03

[Ghoste]

I have a screen thats too small for me to catch that detail at the moment.  I'll look on my laptop tomorrow but I take your word for it all the same.

[bakerhillpins]

Ah, I am with ya.   

[Lord Warlock]

Its my guess that it may have been an original ac car, that had  the ac removed, probably with the heater core, as the core tends to leak over time and weren't readily available as replacements the last few years.  Someone also likely changed the radiator since the ac was disconnected.  (there is no evaporator mounted on the passenger side fenderwell)

Mine is an auto so may be configured differently, but i just removed my own evap unit because it had overspray on it and wanted to repaint it, this one isn't mounted either.

[bakerhillpins]

Its my guess that it may have been an original ac car, that had  the ac removed, probably with the heater core, as the core tends to leak over time and weren't readily available as replacements the last few years.  Someone also likely changed the radiator since the ac was disconnected.  (there is no evaporator mounted on the passenger side fenderwell)

Are you suggesting that they replaced/patched the firewall when they removed the AC then? Because the firewalls are significantly different between AC and non AC cars.

[Lord Warlock]

No, i'm basing my opinion on the holes on the passenger side of the engine bay, where the AC hooks up under the regulator, and the heater core hoses hook up to the firewall.  Since the tag has the H51 code, i'm assuming the car was an ac car originally, but the radiator isn't correct for an AC car, and i noticed the evaporator tank is not mounted on the fender where it should be. 

Getting a picture of my own wouldn't be that hard, but as i stated, mine is an auto with AC, so may be configured different than a 4spd car would be.

I don't know of anybody that would replace a firewall just to make a car look like an ac car, when it is missing the obvious hardware.  However, I've had my own compressor mounted for years just because the belts fit better that way, so can understand why someone may have an ac compressor mounted even if the rest isn't there. 

[1974dodgecharger]

Looks like a big pile of mess to me and the owner is trying to sell you the name, 'ITS A CHARGER IF YOU PUT 20K INTO THIS YOU CAN SELL IT FOR 60K' attitude.

As most folks said look at the VIN and look at its options.

For 5k rust bucket that needs a complete overhaul that will require cash about 80k or so I wouldnt buy it personally 

[JB400]

You know, reading all of the crtitism on here, plus the bs, I'm surprised NO ONE hasn't figured out that someone might have tried to put in their own a/c. It makes since. Use a Chrysler compressor because it mounts up easy, and cobble the rest.

Outside that the car is a bondo bucket, it's mostly there.  How many 4 speed Chargers do you run across for sale?  If you have the funds, and the patience, buy it and have some fun.

[skip68]

Maybe the fender tag is from another car.  Or the fender is from another.  Old re-body.   

[1974dodgecharger]

You know, reading all of the crtitism on here, plus the bs, I'm surprised NO ONE hasn't figured out that someone might have tried to put in their own a/c. It makes since. Use a Chrysler compressor because it mounts up easy, and cobble the rest.

Outside that the car is a bondo bucket, it's mostly there.  How many 4 speed Chargers do you run across for sale?  If you have the funds, and the patience, buy it and have some fun.

True about the 4 speed, but you could adapt one yourslf. For every auto I see there is a 4 speed roughly 1 out of 6. My best one was in Missiouri the guy had a 69 with a 440 4 speed he wanted 14k for it.

[Aussie R/T]

the mood I've been in you double the price and I'll give you a rust free  70 R/T.Catch is you have to pay transport.ouch.

[bull]

Looks like a big pile of mess to me and the owner is trying to sell you the name, 'ITS A CHARGER IF YOU PUT 20K INTO THIS YOU CAN SELL IT FOR 60K' attitude.

As most folks said look at the VIN and look at its options.

For 5k rust bucket that needs a complete overhaul that will require cash about 80k or so I wouldnt buy it personally 

I would pay that if it's a legitimate 4 speed. You really don't see 2nd gen Chargers for less than $5k that are in one piece.

[1974dodgecharger]

Looks like a big pile of mess to me and the owner is trying to sell you the name, 'ITS A CHARGER IF YOU PUT 20K INTO THIS YOU CAN SELL IT FOR 60K' attitude.

As most folks said look at the VIN and look at its options.

For 5k rust bucket that needs a complete overhaul that will require cash about 80k or so I wouldnt buy it personally 

I would pay that if it's a legitimate 4 speed. You really don't see 2nd gen Chargers for less than $5k that are in one piece.

I have and this one looks like crap the metal at least based on pics.  Thats even if its a legitmate 4 speed...YES the 4 speed can be adapted to other 2nd gen chargers sure that alone if thats why  your buying would be worth it to take the 4 speed out to give to another car.

[Ghoste]

Is it an H51 code on the fender tag?  It looks like it to me but I don't have the clearest picture of it and if it is, what about the firewall?

[bakerhillpins]

You know, reading all of the crtitism on here, plus the bs, I'm surprised NO ONE hasn't figured out that someone might have tried to put in their own a/c. It makes since. Use a Chrysler compressor because it mounts up easy, and cobble the rest.

Outside that the car is a bondo bucket, it's mostly there.  How many 4 speed Chargers do you run across for sale?  If you have the funds, and the patience, buy it and have some fun.

I was under the impression that the original poster wanted opinions on the car, of which criticism is a major part of that. An important part of a car's value is no only it's physical condition but it's documentation. If it's a rebody that is (at least to me) an important issue when looking to buy a car to possibly put back on the road. A legit 4spd also makes a big difference in it's value. All relevant discussions as far as I am concerned considering he didn't give any indication of it just being a parts car.