I wish this was a choice for the new charger.

[chargerjy9]

Also, you'd be surprized at what a 318, 1968-70 Charger can "out perform" when you dump $60K in it.

true, but enough money can take ANYTHING as far and as fast as the money can go. However, If you take a stock 69 R/T right from the dealer floor, it plain cannot touch a stock 11 or 12 R/T in any category except for the 2 less doors.

[Ghoste]

How about long term desirablility?

[skip68]

I'm not as hung up on the 4door thing as much as I am about the styling.  Now, with the 2011 model changes I have to say I'd drive one.  Mucho better.   

[Ghoste]

I like it better too but its still lacking the cool factor of the old one. 

[JB400]

The newer body style is a step in the right direction.  It's not as cool as the 99 concept though.  I still prefer the 2nd gens though.

[chargerjy9]

The newer body style is a step in the right direction.  It's not as cool as the 99 concept though.  I still prefer the 2nd gens though.

I agree totally. I like 2nd gens like everyone else, an ageless classic design, one of the best styling exercises ever, but I am partial to 3rd gens, having worked on, and owned one, in the day, and now. The 99 concept was way cool, ( except for the frt end, the grille and head lite treatment was, IMO sorta weak ). that concept however was never meant for production. It was just an exercise, it was designed off an LH platform (FWD ) at a time when we knew the architecture was to be changed to RWD. (LX)

[myk]

Hmmm...nice Challenger...

[1974dodgecharger]

dont forget about me guys im the AVENGER I was actually the charger:

[Ghoste]

Chargerjy9, as a stylist how do you feel about the crosshair grille that Dodge wants as "trademark" look?

[Cooter]

Also, you'd be surprized at what a 318, 1968-70 Charger can "out perform" when you dump $60K in it.

true, but enough money can take ANYTHING as far and as fast as the money can go. However, If you take a stock 69 R/T right from the dealer floor, it plain cannot touch a stock 11 or 12 R/T in any category except for the 2 less doors.

My '69 Charger cost me an engine block. I invested no where NEAR $30-60K....

However, I do fear that a 2012 Charger will cost significantly more. Invest the same in my car that a new one costs, it's 6 to 1, half dozen the other.

[1974dodgecharger]

Also, you'd be surprized at what a 318, 1968-70 Charger can "out perform" when you dump $60K in it.

true, but enough money can take ANYTHING as far and as fast as the money can go. However, If you take a stock 69 R/T right from the dealer floor, it plain cannot touch a stock 11 or 12 R/T in any category except for the 2 less doors.

would like to argue that one so you take a 40k car off the lot of a dodge dealership vs a 4500 dollar 68 charger off the dodge parking let me see here the 68 charger now has roughly 44k to play with to mod itself up to the new charger.  YEAH ALL MY MONEY IS STILL ON THE 68 TO OUTPEFORM HP WISE....

[chargerjy9]

Also, you'd be surprized at what a 318, 1968-70 Charger can "out perform" when you dump $60K in it.

true, but enough money can take ANYTHING as far and as fast as the money can go. However, If you take a stock 69 R/T right from the dealer floor, it plain cannot touch a stock 11 or 12 R/T in any category except for the 2 less doors.

would like to argue that one so you take a 40k car off the lot of a dodge dealership vs a 4500 dollar 68 charger off the dodge parking let me see here the 68 charger now has roughly 44k to play with to mod itself up to the new charger.  YEAH ALL MY MONEY IS STILL ON THE 68 TO OUTPEFORM HP WISE....

ya can't compare price. $4500 in 1968 is not the same as $4500 today. price is relative to the times. I suggest that both cars, in their stock form, no mods, the 12 outperforms hands down.  BTW; 1969 R/T 440= 375 HP,      2012 R/T 5.7 L=370 HP
there was a comparison test recently done by one of the auto mags that shows these same results.

[Cooter]

Dollar for Dollar, Perf. To Perf. a 318 1969 Charger will cost you one helluva lot less than a NEW SRT8...I beg to differ that the old 318 Charger won't at least hold it's own, if not hand you your ass in that newer one with the difference in purchase price TODAY, spent on mods to the older one.

[chargerjy9]

Chargerjy9, as a stylist how do you feel about the crosshair grille that Dodge wants as "trademark" look?

I HATE it. I hated the Ram badge on the hood of Dodge cars, too. the crosshair and the badge are marks of Ram trucks, they did / do not belong on cars. Once again, a product of  Daimler Marketing group, IMO  was meant to cheapen the brand to distance it from Mercedes cars. Glad that group is gone. I believe that the crosshair grille will slowly disappear from the car line.

[Ghoste]

Does the new one TRULY out accelerate the old one?  I've asked this in another thread hoping to get some real world times not magazine ones but so far no luck.

[Cooter]

Does the new one TRULY out accelerate the old one?  I've asked this in another thread hoping to get some real world times not magazine ones but so far no luck.

See, that to me is a "loaded" question and response. Tell you why...See, a 5.7 today making 370 HP, well by that thinking/technology, what would a 7.3 make at those power levels? 345 C.I. @370 HP would be like a 440 @ 900 HP..THEN, we'd see who outperformed who.(Just ask Ron) Yet the older cars engine wasn't even 1HP Per C.I.

[chargerjy9]

Dollar for Dollar, Perf. To Perf. a 318 1969 Charger will cost you one helluva lot less than a NEW SRT8...I beg to differ that the old 318 Charger won't at least hold it's own, if not hand you your ass in that newer one with the difference in purchase price TODAY, spent on mods to the older one.

NO WAY a 318 keeps up with a SRT8,  318 0-60 probably 8-9 seconds,  SRT8  4.5 seconds. you can't compare dollar for dollar, that 68-69 cost just as much relative to 1968 dollar ,( cost of living, etc.) as new car today.

MY premise says stock to stock. of course, if you throw money at the 69, you can make it perform relative to how much you put in to it.

[Ghoste]

All I'd like to know are some stock 1/4 miles times.  

Why on earth would anyone compare a 2318 with the SRT?  Compare the 318 with the V6 and the SRT with a 426.  The base model Hemi in the new one should be held against the 440 in my opinion.

[bill440rt]

I think there's a bigger picture than JUST concentrating on straight line performance, and/or on the engine alone.
IMHO, the older ones still will have the "cool" factor, but the new models have 40+ years of technology to their advantage. If you're comparing them out of the box, even let's say an 2nd gen R/T, the newer models WILL outperform the classics. You'd have to upgrade many things just to get them to keep up: suspension, brakes, fuel injection, body stiffening, steering, etc. And when you're done, you'd still have a gas mileage disadvantage.
There's just more to it than stuffing in a huge engine & going fast in a straight line.
Having said that, I can appreciate the new models but I still prefer the styling of the older ones.

[chargerjy9]

I think there's a bigger picture than JUST concentrating on straight line performance, and/or on the engine alone.
IMHO, the older ones still will have the "cool" factor, but the new models have 40+ years of technology to their advantage. If you're comparing them out of the box, even let's say an 2nd gen R/T, the newer models WILL outperform the classics. You'd have to upgrade many things just to get them to keep up: suspension, brakes, fuel injection, body stiffening, steering, etc. And when you're done, you'd still have a gas mileage disadvantage.
There's just more to it than stuffing in a huge engine & going fast in a straight line.
Having said that, I can appreciate the new models but I still prefer the styling of the older ones.

AMEN, my point exactly

[Ghoste]

My reason for only bringing up the straight line performance was because I don't think the new car bests the old one in EVERY category. 

[1974dodgecharger]

new charger will kick the old chargers butt in straight line, but like I said though new charger is gonna run you 45k or so vs old charger 4k or so..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXCOiY-BNto

[Ghoste]

Oh God, you don't actually consider that to be representative do you?  The "pre-game" drama interview has him hoping for anything less than 20 seconds from the 68 and voila, it turns 19.5.

[skip68]

I don't think anyone would buy a new Charger just for performance.  They buy it because it's a new car.  Far as performance goes, I'd be disappointed if it didn't out perform the old one.   We've got 40+ years of improved technology so it should be better.   The real complaint here is the overall style (look) not performance.   Like I always say, "I don't care how fast it is, I still have to be seen in it and look at it"  
It is getting better though.    

[Gary42]

Think about it this way, why spend the 40-60 thousand dollars on something you will "not" be driving every day, and looking "cool" as someone said on here, (remember, parts are getting much harder to replace or come by with "old" school cars) if they cannot possibly "out preform" today's muscle cars! Point well taken and I agree. Then the reliability becomes an issue.  I guess its just my 

Simple.....It's gotta SUCK when you roll up in your 2010 Charger and Someone rolls up in a 1969 Charger and the old one is WAY cooler even getting 10 MPG, 2 Drs, unreliable, hard to find parts for, can't take it to your local Mechanic, won't/can't drive everyday New Charger is....

I agree with you on that one TOTALLY