Repro wing car metal nose tech ?

[hemigeno]

I dont about Feb 7th .But the daytona build date start a 427 April --612 June 12 th I believe

Not that it makes that much difference, but 434780 (#464 on the list) was built on 6/26, and there were two others with SPD's of 6/16 (#362 and #382).

I'm still trying to get to the bottom of the 780 car, which is the highest recorded VIN for a Daytona.  I suspect it was built to replace one for Lenox Dodge that may have been damaged during assembly or conversion.  There's some things I'm trying to understand on the SO numbers and how they are re-assigned, and the WW newsletter series on the Dealer Invoice Lists hasn't gotten that far yet.  Way too early to say whether that's the case or not.

[nascarxx29]

I will see if I can dig up anything on 434780

[nascarxx29]

While looking up on 434780 .I had this 2 page WW newsletter submitted daytona vin list by GG as of 11-89 .It has 468330 and 500564 as recorded daytonas.Also a friend of mine currently has one of the daytonas owned by a chrysler exec.It is a very well optioned out car.To believe it I had to get a copy of its buildsheet from him

[hemigeno]

Boy, those are some high VIN's, especially that last one.  It had to be at the very tail end of '69 model year production.

What info was given about those cars (by Galen, or whoever told Galen about them)?

[69_500]

500564? That seems awfully high. Other than the one 434xxx car, the others seem to stop at 414xxx. Which all seemed to be almost all Candian cars.

Is the Dale Reckner car not the one that used to be in New Castle Indiana?

[nascarxx29]

I would try to geta copy of that sheet up on here.Showing the 2 higher vins .But you know how someone gets upset showing all those complete vins

[hemigeno]

If all they are is numbers on a list, don't worry about posting the listing.  I am more curious to know if there's anything that substantiates those VIN's as being Daytonas besides Galen's word.

I'm NOT trying to bash Galen here, but I'd personally like to see more before adding them to my list of Daytonas.

[nascarxx29]

I will try to post this 2 pager .Or pm it to you it was in one of my club newsletters in 89 called daytonas to date.With symbols remarkng SE and dealer installed AC its lowest vin is the 287970. Which is recorded a F6 green black interior 4 speed I found in a 79 newsletter highest vin 50064.The totals at that time was.503 built 328 known 292 known 440 36 known 426 6 known SE 4 known AC .I can find the page for the 69 500 in a minute.The 500s are 392  181 known .119 known 440. 62 known 426. 16 known AC. 8 known SE.  2 known SE AC.

[hemigeno]

If its in the WW archives, I have those (just not here at the office).  It's up to you.  I wonder how much verification was done to these lists, or if it's a compilation of what was thought to be true.  Case in point - the four A/C cars listed.  I had heard (just heard) that those were dealer add-ons or conversions, but you never know.  If the Fender Tags show H51, then it'd be hard to argue their legitimacy.

[nascarxx29]

I even dug up a 1975 newsletter thought you mightfind some of this stuff interesting from back in the day of 1975 .Where it mentions Robert Goulet had recieved a daytona.That was prepared by the Alexander brothers in Detroit michigan .And before it was delivered to him.The nose was leaded in.And special paint accented the car.Another celeb Mort Sahl Bob hope had one for promotional purposes.Raquel Welch wanted a daytona .But ended up with a Cuda convertible.Then a line down George Barris had a prototype daytona that was candy red.The car was destroyed on purpose.One while two of the mechanics were tuning a hemi daytona.The car somehow dragged them across the prep garage and out the wall.And all daytonas and superbirds were wrecked on the new car prep line when they came in.Chrysler replaced most of the noses with new ones.No bondo was allowed.The problem was the cars were to long on the conveyor line.At the end of the line when they got to the end.The conveyor would disconnect.And the car would stop and the next car would rear end the first.As reported by a chrysler quality control manager

[hemigeno]

I've heard some of those stories over the years too.  Dave, you probably know much more than I do about what became of these stories...

IIRC the Goulet connection also involved a 1970 Daytona, did it not?  Didn't someone later contact Mr. Goulet (or his "people") and find out the story wasn't true?

The problem with the story of damaging the noses of Daytonas during assembly, is they never came down ANY assembly line with the noses installed on them.

I don't know enough about the Superbirds to say for certain, but weren't they all partially built at Lynch Road (with no nosecones, similar to the Daytonas @ Hamtramck) and then shipped over to the Clairepoint Pre-production facility for their conversion work?  Seems like the assembly line story for converted cars is a little suspect to me.  It may have been reported by a real Chrysler Quality Control Manager as being true, and it certainly sounds plausible, but IMHO it's just not possible that it happened that way.

It's entertaining to read all of the old stuff, and to see what the state of the hobby was at the time.  It wasn't big business as it is today.  As someone has mentioned elsewhere, a restored car back then was merely one that had a fresh paint job and a nice interior.  I sometimes wish that were still true today...

[nascarxx29]

Some of this archive ww stuff if you can believe it as it was recorded.Is amazing Id came across a letter from 82 by the the father of the daytona Bob Mc Curry who green lighted the sketch John Pointer brought him of the known as 69 daytona.This letter was a club inquiry on the subject of a 70 daytona.Thank you very much for your recent inquiry regarding 70 dodge charger daytona.Im attaching a articlewritten in 1973.Which described quite a bit of the history of the daytona and as well as the plymouth superbird.
Heres the parts that I found odd

As you may know the original prototype daytona was built in 1969 and this was followed by (1500) (additional daytonas)( per year ) in 1969 and 1970.The very first daytona was donated to NASCAR and is in there museum of speed at daytona. I dont not recall the procduction of 3 special daytonas.And In fact I never owned one.I hope that information I have included will solve your puzzle.Signed by Bob Mc Curry

[69_500]

I have only heard of 2 Daytona's that had dealer installed A/C. One of them being a F5 green car, and I don't recall the color of the other one. Never heard of 4. Doesn't mean that there isn't 4 of them out there.
Just saw a Superbird with dealer installed A/C last year that was a survivor car, with 35,000 miles on it. Car had absolutely no other options on it, other than the dealer installed a/c.

[hemigeno]

The white A/C Daytona that was on eBay (twice?) looked really good for a car that had major surgery like A/C installation.  Looking good and being functional are two different things though.  I'd really think adding that much heat load to a car design already prone to overheating would have to be a problem.  The V2 Daytona with added A/C (now owned by my friend Clayton) had been hacked to pieces up front to try and get enough air through the radiator and condensors.

[Jack@wingcarfab]

Hello from Jack at wingcarfab.com. This is my first post so I hope I get it right. In reponse to the I need your car to fit a nose to it, only means that original Superbird fenders had lead added to the points that align with the nose cone top points. The amount of lead added to the fenders varied in height and width. Also I have documented original nose cone top width up to one half an inch. If you put these two variables together I could build a nose that you would be very dis-appointed with! I am dedicated to your satisfaction. I realize bring me your car may not be an option so I have started asking my customers have thier body person pre-fit the hood,doors, and fenders- set the desired gaps and give me a fender to fender point width. Then I can at least build the top of the cone to that width. Our nose sides are two pieces that may be let out or in to fit the top of the fender to the fender extention radius as that is variable as well. Hope this sheds light of your question. Thanks to all of you for supporting wingcarfab, Jack
www.wingcarfab.com

[hotrod98]

Welcome to the site Jack.  Wish that I had even a tenth of your talent.

[BigBlockSam]

hi Jack

welcome to the site. i spoke to you on the phone some yrs back. when i was rounding up my parts for my replica . i ended up with a fiberglass nose that nothing fit correctly but it's finally together now. Rene   

[Jack@wingcarfab]

Hello Big block sam and hot rod 98, thanks for making me feel welcome. I have never carried on discussion threads before and so many of you know so much more than me about the wing cars I build parts for I feel humbled! The demand for our parts has been so great I have had to decease the restorations. This is where I wanted to be! Have some new Daytona parts available soon! Thanks to everyone, and would enjoy hearing from all of you that are wing car enthusiasts. Jack McGaughey

[hemigeno]

Welcome to the site, Jack!   

Glad you chimed in, and you're welcome to give us your thoughts on repro parts (or anything else, for that matter) anytime.

What's on tap for future parts releases?   

[Jack@wingcarfab]

Hello HemiGeno, thanks for your welcome! I am working on Daytona valances, Daytona nosecones, and Daytona decklid caps and hinges. Please feel free to call me at the shop 770-277-8086. I'm sorry I'm getting a reputation for expensive parts, but they must be fitted to a car and meet my expectations. I never intended to have a kit! I just used my skills as a metal fabricator to build some parts someone needed. I love the wing cars since I was a senior in high school and the rich kid got a Plymouth Superbird for a graduation present. I still can't afford one of these cars for myself! I stay awake at night trying to improve and lower the cost of my parts. All of you guys input is important to me so please contact me, Sincerly, Jack McGaughey

[Jack@wingcarfab]

Welcome to the site Jack.  Wish that I had even a tenth of your talent.

Hello hot rod 98, I sincerely appreciate your comments! I'm watching you guys!!!! If you would like to work together let me know, Jack

[Daytona R/T SE]

Welcome to the site, Jack! I've watched your website for quite awhile now. Excellent work !

[Jack@wingcarfab]

Hello Daytona RT/SE, thanks for your welcome if there is anything I can do for you please ask!!! Shop# 770-277-8086 Jack McGaughey
www.wingcarfab.com

[Daytona R/T SE]

Hello Daytona RT/SE, thanks for your welcome if there is anything I can do for you please ask!!! Shop# 770-277-8086 Jack McGaughey
www.wingcarfab.com

[69_500]

Jack, the work you due truly is incredible. When I do wind up with a wing car, and I do say "when" rather than if as I truly intend on having one in my lifetime. When I do get one, if I need any pieces for it I will definately be looking at getting some from you. I've seen 1 of your nose cones, for a Superbird, and it was incredible. Definately top notch work.

For now though the only part I see that would work on my car, is the shortened deck lid for a 500, and trunk hinges.