original grandnational Cyclone ?????

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NASCAR-WEST-MERCURY-CYCLONE-RACE-CAR-VINTAGE-/380349390958?pt=Race_Cars_Not_Street_Legal_&hash=item588e97206e

[Budnicks]

Cool old piece of FoMoCo & Nascar history.....

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[69 OUR/TEA]

Every time I see someone write"grandnational",I think of Buick!!!!!

[440]

Every time I see someone write"grandnational",I think of Buick!!!!!

[Aero426]

Not a real Grand National car.   That is a local home build type late model sportsman.   To use the words built to Holman-Moody spec in the listing is not anywhere close to correct.  

[RallyeMike]

I wouldnt throw it out of bed for eating crackers. I love these old race car finds.

Sponsored partially by Earl's Machine Shop. I wonder if that's the old fart just down the road from me?

[Mike DC]

Not a real Grand National car.   That is a local home build type late model sportsman.   To use the words built to Holman-Moody spec in the listing is not anywhere close to correct. 

What makes you say that? 

I'm not disputing you, just curious.  I'm not nearly enough of a Ford guy to call it.   The only wrong detail that immediately comes out and grabs me is the lack of any trunkfloor.  That, and the outer body doesn't look like a GN job.  But a lot of the cage/chassis looks like early NASCAR stuff.

[Aero426]

What makes you say that?  

I'm not disputing you, just curious.  I'm not nearly enough of a Ford guy to call it.   The only wrong detail that immediately comes out and grabs me is the lack of any trunkfloor.  That, and the outer body doesn't look like a GN job.  But a lot of the cage/chassis looks like early NASCAR stuff.

It's not junk, and it is old, and there is a lot to work with, thats true.   I assure you if it was anything close to a GN car with a shred of history, it would not be $7500 Buy it Now.    That car has been offered several times.

Typical Ford GN cars of the period used a unitized body from cowl back, with a 65 Galaxie type front frame section grafted in to the cage structure.  It appears to be riding on a fulll frame which would not be legal for a Cyclone/Torino in GN racing.    Non Holman-Moody dash,  non H-M hubs with stock looking dust covers.  Interior tin work (rear bulkhead) would need to be in the normal placement.  Front upper hoop and shock towers are not like other HM built cars.  Exposed rear compartment with no trunk floor is a sportsman looking thing.    Street trunk lock pillar would be removed.  

To summarize, it lacks the features of a top level professional stock car.

[Aero426]

This car is the real deal, as in an authentic H-M built '65 Galaxie.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Galaxie-Galaxie-1965-Holman-Moody-NASCAR-Galaxie-Dick-Hutcherson-29-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20ba8934c3QQitemZ140568507587QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

[Mike DC]

Amazing how much of the stock car is still there on that real H&M car in the link.  The lack of passenger side door bars is startling too.

[Aero426]

Things changed a lot between those 1965 cars and the 68-71 era.   The newer cars got a lot more structure throughout the whole car. 

[Mike DC]

Yeah, there was really a shift there in a short time.  In 1965 they were rollcaging a stock car body, in 1970 they were covering a rollcage with stock panels. 

That Cyclone in the Ebay ad looks like a later era building method than the GN Cyclones/Torinos.  Would that be because it was a lower rank series than GN, and therefore they were running the body a few years later than the GN series was running that bodystyle?