It used to be a 69 daytona

[500Jon]

Rule of Thumb is......................................

If its got a WING or TWO its TROUBLE!!!

This Daytona needs to be Re-constructed and then see what happens at the DMV!
Someone's gonna have a red-face and someone may be well outta pocket?

Do you feel LUCKY NW???

Roll them DICE and watch the numbers fall.
5J

THIS WILL BE HISTORY IN THE MAKING!!!

ps, funny you should say that Greg.
The guy I bought my C500 from also had a nice 6-pot 69 Charger.
I didn't have enough to buy it, but I would have done it right!
Had a 6-pot here with 3-speed manual all waiting for it.
Guess what, I think its a Dayclona now LOL!!!

[Nwcharger]

Yes i feel lucky. I own a Daytona charger that someday ill drive on the road after being abandoned and left on a hillside for 35 years. 

[Aero426]

Yes i feel lucky. I own a Daytona charger that someday ill drive on the road after being abandoned and left on a hillside for 35 years. 

I don't have a problem with this, as long as there is full disclosure.   And there is a pecking order to the cars.   As long as you are OK with it and fully document how you save the original platform and cowl,  have at it. 

[charger Downunder]

Yes i feel lucky. I own a Daytona charger that someday ill drive on the road after being abandoned and left on a hillside for 35 years. 

Good on you for taking on the task you must have some great panel beating skills.

[Ghoste]

The panels are already beaten.    The numbers will live again though and in the end we'll all be fine.

[69DAYTONASE]

Consider this comparison. World War 2 aircraft wrecks have and continue to be recovered and restored and/or used for parts. There are countless examples of planes that were literally destroyed when crashed. They were recovered, and restored using only about 5 percent of the original plane, with a great majority of the parts being hand made. The plane is then registered using it's original serial number. If the FED/FAA is ok with that, and the warbird community accepts it as restored(I am one of them), then why isn't the winged car community fully behind this guy restoring this car?  
I see a parallel here, and I think it's more a question of attitude than legality. As with the warbirds, the history of this car will be very publicly known. After all, it is one of 503. I doubt there is any danger of the history getting lost here.

This is different. Attaching a Vin and body stamps to a donor car, don't make it real.

our new friend likes to argue both sides of the fence, although i wonder if he even realizes it. notice that his restored plane scenario uses hand made parts, where as his "restored" daytona scenario simply swaps numbers over to a totally different car shell. it doesn't matter to him which car he's actually restoring, as it "will" become the daytona either way. on a side note, is the plane's serial number referred to the one assigned by the manufacturer? i'm not making an FAA connection there.

Why do some people think that all 503 daytonas were meant to, or even need to, still exist? they were daily driver cars, meant to be used, abused, and discarded. the survival rate is actually above normal for these cars, so they are available for sale pretty much all the time should someone have both the desire and the resources. want one and can't afford it? build a clone and stop obsessing about having XX in the VIN.

greg asked a great question - why are equally rare cars such as a slant six charger not given the same courtesy?  

Yes "HELD" once again you err in your thinking....but I suppose common sense to be on the opposite side of the fence from you. I argue on both sides of the fence? Perhaps in your twisted thinking you can attempt to discredit my logic in discussion or debate using the infantile tactic of negative projection, but funny how my train of thought in this matter has obviously been consistent-the exception being to you.

[69DAYTONASE]

There were alot more warbirds built than wing cars. 12000 b17's 4000 b29's 15000 p51's 12000 f6f hellcats and that's just a couple bombers and fighters. And there's still planes out there to be recovered. Like the b29 that burned when trying to recover it. Frozen in time is the name of the documentary. There's a few warbirds lost not too far from me but they are supposedly lost in watershed areas that people are not allowed to enter. I see no difference in bringing back a warbird, my Daytona or even the NASCAR Daytona on eBay. They are all part of American history.

As mentioned, the SURVIVAL rate is the only number that matters.    There is a reason they wanted to get that B-29 off the glacier.    It was completely intact and they thought they could fly it out.   They almost made it.     How many are flyable today of those 4000 planes?   1 or 2?     That's the reason.   It would have been a huge payback if they had pulled it off. 

I followed the attempted recovery of the 'Kee-Bird" B-29 Superfortress pretty closely at the time. The crew that attempted the recovery had a partnership, yes. But the motivating factor in their attempt was preservation of history that would become a lasting tribute to honor those who served on these planes. Let's not forget that one member of the recovery crew lost his life in the attempt, and the others pressed on knowing the deceased member would have wanted it that way. They lost a good friend in the attempt, only to lose the plane in the end. Money wasn't a primary motivating factor. B-29's cost more to operate than they bring in touring the airshow circuit. B-24's and B-17's barely break even.

"Keep 'Em Flying" Remember Pearl Harbor.........thanks Dad; S/SGT JPM USAAF '42-'46 

[Aero426]

There were alot more warbirds built than wing cars. 12000 b17's 4000 b29's 15000 p51's 12000 f6f hellcats and that's just a couple bombers and fighters. And there's still planes out there to be recovered. Like the b29 that burned when trying to recover it. Frozen in time is the name of the documentary. There's a few warbirds lost not too far from me but they are supposedly lost in watershed areas that people are not allowed to enter. I see no difference in bringing back a warbird, my Daytona or even the NASCAR Daytona on eBay. They are all part of American history.

As mentioned, the SURVIVAL rate is the only number that matters.    There is a reason they wanted to get that B-29 off the glacier.    It was completely intact and they thought they could fly it out.   They almost made it.     How many are flyable today of those 4000 planes?   1 or 2?     That's the reason.   It would have been a huge payback if they had pulled it off. 

I followed the attempted recovery of the 'Kee-Bird" B-29 Superfortress pretty closely at the time. The crew that attempted the recovery had a partnership, yes. But the motivating factor in their attempt was preservation of history that would become a lasting tribute to honor those who served on these planes. Let's not forget that one member of the recovery crew lost his life in the attempt, and the others pressed on knowing the deceased member would have wanted it that way. They lost a good friend in the attempt, only to lose the plane in the end. Money wasn't a primary motivating factor. B-29's cost more to operate than they bring in touring the airshow circuit. B-24's and B-17's barely break even.

"Keep 'Em Flying" Remember Pearl Harbor.........thanks Dad; S/SGT JPM USAAF '42-'46 

I don't disagree that these people want to preserve history, and I applaud that.   The whole Kee Bird mission was risky from start to finish.    Had they gotten the plane off the glacier, that by itself would have been worth serious bragging rights.       The investment part was in the value of the plane itself,  not touring it.    Given the story, I can't imagine what the plane would have been worth on the open market.   

[500Jon]

God Bless America and all her brave men who FOUGHT to free the World of TYRANNY!!!

Men and women all around the World have given their lives for Freedom and Civility in Europe and elsewhere.

Comparing machines of WAR with a 69 Charger with a nosecone is not even on the scale.

I think you Wingcar Guys need to LIVE and LET LIVE!!!
Be grateful that some Folks even care about Daytona's when 99.999% of the World DON'T!!!

I'm sticking with the C500 crowd, they is much more forgiving?
YEP I'M PAINTING MINE, B5 BLUE NOW, SOD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[69_500]

Not sure the C500 crowd is any more forgiving on the topic of rebodies. I know quite a few C500 fans and have not ran into any that are fine with that kind of an illegal act.

[500Jon]

Its all about definition at the end of the DAY!

I apologise for the 500 crowd reference.
I speak only for myself.

I WAS REFERRING TO A COLOUR CHANGE, NOT A REBODY!!!
HEAVEN FORBID!!!

I see myself AS 'non-aero' and my car as a 69 R/T Charger with a filled in back window!

A WINGLESS WARRIOR!!!

[69_500]

Color change, on a 500, have at it. If you own it do what you please. That is my thought. Now when it comes time to sell though it is something that will knock it down in value. I want another 500, and honestly would prefer one that is not numbers matching, and heck one missing a fender tag would be good too. Then I could do with it as I please.

[Ghoste]

Thats why I like the fact that my RT is so plain, it is numbers matching but other than that it would get overlooked for many many other Chargers by the investment crowd.

[brianz426]

Wow. 

[farm966]

After looking at the pictures...most of that will buff out....

[Stevearino]

You know I am a sucker for a lost cause and have taken on some real losing proposition projects in my day from cars to house flips but after looking over the pictures on the GYC Facebook page I have to ask. How is this going to work? I understand the intent is to blend the existing remaining metal back into the final car but again " How exactly is that going to happen. I can understand if the car had been recovered from the ravine just shortly after the bulldozer incident. No matter how bent up it was you could with a lot of care and time straighten out the metal and undertake to incorporate it in to the final build. But looking at the pictures just about every piece of the original car is completely rusted through. Even the piece of the dash that was cut out 20 years ago looks like it is paper thin on the leading edge. I am sorry but there doesn't seem to be anything left to work with here. Maybe I am not seeing it but it looks like a ghost to me.
Is there a substantial list of components not shown that are solid enough to be worth putting on the final car?"

[qwick68]

I think the story is great, real or not, rebody, clone or whatever you wanna call it.......any updates?

[DAY CLONA]

I think the story is great, real or not, rebody, clone or whatever you wanna call it.......any updates?

This "story" is a like a modern day Mary Shelley novel, only the main character is a metal beast

[Nwcharger]

Well as far as updates I don't really have too much. i have enough metal to start the task but I've been focused on trying to thin my car count and pay off a c500 that I'm buying. The metal that I plan on using from the daytona is the firewall, upper and lower cowl, inner fenders, front shock mounts, front lower core support, outer rockers, door jams rear quarter inner structure that the window regulators attach to, dash frame, rear tail panel. I don't think the front rails are worth messing with as they are pretty toast and Want the car to be safe. I know that all the parts that I save will take many hours of body work and a lot of cash but I'm up for it. 

[500Jon]

Happy New Year NW, or HNY2NW!

Don't forget the motto 'use as much original metal as possible'!
There are other Folks on open Forum using alot less OEM than you are!!!

Its just a Daytona thing...WING-Folks are very protective of their 503 Winged Mopars.
They weren't built on a special production line by Aliens at AREA-51...
Just good old fashioned 69 Chargers built by good old boys making a living in Detroit!!!
Now if Carrol Shelby or Cotton Owens had assembled them, we would be talking GOD-like historics!!!

But no, just a gang of Folks at Creative also looking to pay their rent and bills.

Oh yes NW, if you need a hand, just pay for my flight and hotel bills and I will be over in a flash!!!

I probably worked on more Wingcars then most Folks, even in the US of A. LOL!!!

[Stevearino]

Well as far as updates I don't really have too much. i have enough metal to start the task but I've been focused on trying to thin my car count and pay off a c500 that I'm buying. The metal that I plan on using from the daytona is the firewall, upper and lower cowl, inner fenders, front shock mounts, front lower core support, outer rockers, door jams rear quarter inner structure that the window regulators attach to, dash frame, rear tail panel. I don't think the front rails are worth messing with as they are pretty toast and Want the car to be safe. I know that all the parts that I save will take many hours of body work and a lot of cash but I'm up for it.  

That is quite a bit. From the pictures everything seemed pretty gone but I guess there is more there than the pictures show. Good luck.

EDIT: I went back and looked at the pics posted on GYC and it looks like you can use most of the door inner structure except the bottom also I don't know if the upper skin looks good on the hood but you can always replace the inner liner if it does.

[tan top]

Well as far as updates I don't really have too much. i have enough metal to start the task but I've been focused on trying to thin my car count and pay off a c500 that I'm buying. The metal that I plan on using from the daytona is the firewall, upper and lower cowl, inner fenders, front shock mounts, front lower core support, outer rockers, door jams rear quarter inner structure that the window regulators attach to, dash frame, rear tail panel. I don't think the front rails are worth messing with as they are pretty toast and Want the car to be safe. I know that all the parts that I save will take many hours of body work and a lot of cash but I'm up for it. 

cool , good stuff 

[djcarguy]

    GYC FACE PIXS?

   LINK page 14 reply 327 ,,,,  Can they be moved here for the dial up computers inpaired folks???


      thanks i try faceblock saw 2 tiny pixs for few blinks after long wait to load....thanks DJ 

[Stevearino]

 

[Stevearino]