Newbie - question on a '72 Rallye

[chadtrease]

OK...so for my own sake when I call the guy selling it, what should I tell him that defines the 73 grill vs the 72 rallye?  I honestly don't know that.  I see what you're talking about with the bumper guards.  And should that be something that is a potential sticking point?

[chargd72]

Are you sure it's a 72? It has 73/74 bumper guards and grill. Since it has those bumper guards, the rear valance is probably a 73.

Doors and body lines definitely make it a 72. Just don't let him sell you for an all original car.

[chargd72]

OK...so for my own sake when I call the guy selling it, what should I tell him that defines the 73 grill vs the 72 rallye?  I honestly don't know that.  I see what you're talking about with the bumper guards.  And should that be something that is a potential sticking point?

Look at the pic you posted and the one I posted and closely compare the grills. Yes the lines are both horizontal, but In your pic the lines come out immediately by the lights. In my pic The lines don't come out until right near the center divider.

Hope that helps

[chadtrease]

I've got to admit...I'm royally confused as I look at pictures online of 72 grills vs 73 grills.  Here is an advertisement I found of the 72 charger, and the grill seems to match.  I also found the picture you posted of the orange car and it said it was a 1973 charger underneath the picture.   

[41husk]

Look at the grill on chargd72s signature photo? thats a 72 grill.  You have a rallye tail light assembly about $1500 but the rear bumper guards are 73-74 not a real costly fix, but does question the sellers honesty or knowledge.  It is still a sweet looking car and these points may help you lower the sale price.  Provided it is as nice as it looks, I still say 12k aint bad.  I paid 7k for a U code non #s matching 73 rallye with a 72 ramcharger hood. After $900 to have it transported from PA to Illinois  It cost over 5k to get the air grabber functional, 5k for paint and body, $500 ror a doner car, $300 vynil top, door covers and Go wing.  $750 machine work rebuilding the 440 and god knows how much in the Super Bee decals emblems and misc parts, puts my cost at well over 20k.  next I need to get the gauges working and I could probably get 10-12k for it.  I will let you have it for 15k.  Is that a good deal?  I have well over 20k in it with reciepts.  If I was to offer on my own car it would probably be about 10k .  You decide, what is the nice looking 72 rallye worth to you.  I bet some one has more than that in it!

[chadtrease]

so where does the picture of the orange charger that you posted play into things?  is that a '73?     I gues the only difference I see between the 1 for sale and the 1 in the signature is that his has hide-away lights and the for sale car doesn't, but like I said, this is a new hobby for me...sorry guys... 

[rallye1972]

I have a 72 Rallye , here is a picture of the front grill of mine.

[chadtrease]

that's what I needed to see.  got it!  Thanks!

[chargd72]

I'm trying to do all this from my phone. I'll post better examples tomorrow from my computer. Use the search tool and look for 3rd Gen differences. That might explain more.

[Rallye]

Hi Chad, welcome.  You're definitely on the right track, 72 Rallyes are the best.  
This one you're looking at has 73 grills and bumper guards, also the brake pedal appears to be 73 as well.  In 72, the Rallye package was not indicated by the VIN.  Yes, the VIN you posted indicates it's a Charger hardtop with a 400 magnum, but you'll need to look for the A57 code on the fender tag or Broadcast Sheet to prove it's a Rallye.
Don't let all this discourage you.  My advise would be to look it over really well.  If you find it to be a nice solid good running Rallye car, and you don't mind putting a little bit of work into it, then offer him what you feel is a fair price and have some fun with that thing.      

[41husk]

 

[chadtrease]

it does have the A57 on the fender tag.  The only pic I have of that is in a movie that the owner sent me, so can't post right this second, but I did decode the tag and the A57 is there.  So, with the hide-away headlights, the fender was very similar to the car for sale, correct?  Here is a link to another 72 rallye that I saw, but it had the hide-away's, and the grill looks to be very similar to the car I'm looking at, but not really anything like the non hide-aways, I guess...

http://www.musclecarhaven.com/showroom/Car10.html

[41husk]

a 440 would put it up at 18k.  If it sold for more than 20k, it was either sold a year or so back or has been financed by the consigner for at least 4 years. 

[chadtrease]

yeah, I was only using that as a reference point for the grill, really.  Thanks!

[41husk]

Here are a few more pics of a 73 made to look like a 72, the tail lights are 73 as well.

[ACUDANUT]

I beg to differ   since the WannaBee is a 73 but despite ACUDANUT 's misguided view of 3rd gens, he would be a valuable asset in your quest to purchase the car.  I look foreward to some pictures.

Sorry, but that's a 72 for sure.
It does however, have a 73 Grill and bumpers. Easy enough to replace that.
It would take a heck of alot of time to make a 73 Charger into a 72. The rear/side windows would be the hardest part
as they changed the body lines also.

Heck, ask Nacho he will set you right Husk.

[chadtrease]

41Husk, are you saying the car for sale has '73 tail lights?  They look identical to all of the '72's that I've seen, and don't really look much like the picture that you just attached.  

[41husk]

No the car for sale has the very sought after 72 rallye 71 Rt tail lights.  I believe the only difference is the paint on them.  I am sure there are many people on here who know for sure about the tail light differences from 71 RT and 72 rallye.  The grill and tail lights on mine are 73 (pictured above).  I pulled in the bumper to do away with the 73 bumper filler and took off the big 73 and later bumperetts.  Like ACUDANUT, I prefer the 72 an earlier and tried to make mine look like a 71 Bee

[ACUDANUT]

If Husk said those are 73 taillights, he is wrong again. Those are 71/72 Charger tailights.
His car has 73 taillights.

[ACUDANUT]

 Where is NACHO ??

[41husk]

No ACUDANUT, I am saying I have 73 tail lights! and I wish Natcho would wake up and get on line because I am sure he could help our new member much better than me!

[Tilar]

For 8k I will buy it !  that is a fair price for the 73 rallye cars.  I believe the 72s our still running 5k over the 73-74.  I love the doors 

I gave $1900 for a 47k mile 73 Rallye from the original owner and I've probably put close to another 2k in it including buying a 72 hidden headlight grille and bumper. I think 8k for a 73 rallye would be aweful high unless it's extremely nice.

That said I do like the tail lights on the 72 he's looking at.

[chadtrease]

I really appreciate all of your input!  Very helpful!  I honestly haven't really found anything out there for sale that is much less, unless it's something that would be a real project.  I don't have the knowledge to do a project car just yet.  It's something I want to get into down the line as I learn more, but I really wanted to buy something that wouldn't take MUCH work from day 1.  I know I'm going to be putting some work into this car, but it seems to be something that hopefully doesn't take too much from the get-go.

Thanks again!  I'll let you know how it all turns out.  If I pull the trigger, I should have it by Friday or Saturday at the latest.

[Brock Samson]

Where is NACHO ??

  I think the Wing nuts have out back by the dumpster...  
 Welcome to the site Chad!  This is the best place to be, these guys will fix you right up!  

[41husk]

Dave I remember your post when purchasing your car and I am sure most 3rd gen guys would agree, you got a heck of a deal on that car.  I feel those deals are out there but most of us will dye waiting for them.