'08 Dodge Cuda?

[andy74]

fact-we have 18 chargers on the lot,and 9 magnums-they have to be jump started every time we move them,because no one looks at them often enough to charge the batteries.
fact-dcx has a sales telecast every month,there has NEVER been an accurate sales for cast for the charger,just a guess that has changed every month since may.
fact-the chrysler 300 has completely crushed the magnum and charger in sales,some months by 7or8 to 1 ratio.

ghost,you can like it if you want,im here on the front lines and im telling you,the fu##ers dont sell,any where in the northeast

[derailed]

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ghost,you can like it if you want,im here on the front lines and im telling you,the fu##ers dont sell,any where in the northeast

We have a dealer here just north of Albany that I think has had one in there lot since last summer. Its one of the burnt orange looking ones and it sits off on the side of the lot in the grass. It now has the out to pasture look goin on.

[Orange_Crush]

Just passing through:


Doing OK: Dodge's Charger showing positive signs, but not selling like 300
MARY CONNELLY | Automotive News
Posted Date: 12/12/05
DETROIT -- Since its launch in May, the 2006 Dodge Charger has attracted a younger buyer to Dodge and is selling for a higher price than other premium mid-sized vehicles.

But more Chargers are sold with rebates than is typical in the premium mid-sized car segment. And it's taking dealers longer to sell the Charger than its platform-mate, the Chrysler 300, according to data from the Power Information Network.

Power data show that in its seventh month on sale, the Charger averaged 36 days on dealership lots before selling. The 300 averaged 16 days in its seventh month in the market.

"It is doing respectably," says Tom Libby, senior director of industry analysis at the Power Information Network. "But it requires more time to determine how it will do long-term."

The car held 3.7 percent of the premium mid-sized car segment, Libby says. Vehicles in the segment include the Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Chevrolet Impala and Nissan Altima.

Through November, Dodge sold 37,667 Chargers. November sales were 6,827 units. Chrysler has produced 69,328 Chargers this year.

By comparison, Chrysler built 68,616 units of the 300 in its first seven months, from January through July of 2004. After the 300 went on sale in April 2004, Chrysler reported 82,721 sales during the next seven months, although that included some sales of the predecessor vehicle, the 300M.

Power data show:

>> In November, 88 percent of Charger sales included a customer cash rebate, compared with 52 percent for the segment. But the Charger rebate averaged $1,104 a unit in November - below the segment average of $1,487.

>> In November, the Charger's average transaction price, less customer cash rebate, averaged $29,366. That compares with a segment average of $23,550.

>> The Charger is capturing a younger buyer than the segment average. In November, Charger buyers averaged 40 years of age, compared with 44 years for the segment.



Its amazing how the tone of news about Chrysler changes once DeLorenzo puts his negative spin on it.
Of course its not selling as well as the 300...the 300 was a success beyond Chrysler's (or anyone's) wildest imaginations.

[Ghoste]

But the Charger isn't a disappointment beyond their imaginations, right?

[Big Lebowski]

But the Charger isn't a disappointment beyond their imaginations, right?

  No it's a disappointment. You were right the first time.

[ChargerBill]

Chrysler. We mentioned at the end of last summer that Chrysler, despite the continued positive spin it receives from the automotive media, was sailing toward troubled waters in the fall. The Charger, which we predicted would not be the hit that Chrysler hoped, is proving to be a disappointment. Part of that is the result of Chrysler's relentless drum-beating for the car, which revolved around the assumption (on their part) that it would be a hit of 300/300C proportions. It isn't. Chrysler will trot out all kinds of data to insist that the car is doing pretty well, but based on its promised hype it hasn't delivered. The other problem is that Chrysler is in "wait for the new stuff" mode. Its new Jeep entries and its smaller crossover won't be here until next year, and in the interim the Jeep Commander and the company's reliance on big trucks are hurting them. Chrysler Group slow sellers include the Pacifica, the Dodge Ram and Dakota trucks, the Jeep Wrangler and the Jeep Liberty. And because of sluggish sales, there's now a "little" inventory problem too - a 92-day supply to be specific. "Little" from Chrysler's perspective, but for dealers who want no part of Chrysler's solution for it - it's a very big deal. Chrysler Group is offering dealers up to $750 for every extra vehicle they order up to a certain limit. The deals are designed to make Chrysler look good for the end of the year numbers, but for dealers who are in full "ASS" mode (Aren't Selling Shit) with November sales in the single digits - the incentives hold little or no interest. None of this stuff is new to Chrysler dealers, however. Chrysler has had a long history of stock piling inventory and then frantically trying to boost the numbers at the end of the year, no matter at what cost. Drive around a few locations in southeast Michigan here, and you can see where the Chrysler Group parks its inventory - and it's not pretty. We keep hearing about the "new" Chrysler and the "hot" Chrysler and the Chrysler that's supposed to have it all over Ford and GM - its downtrodden Detroit competitors - but this sounds a lot like the same 'ol Chrysler to us. And that's no surprise either.

SEE THE BOLD TEXT ABOVE? THAT is exactly what I was saying 2 months ago when we had the debate over how GREAT the Magnum Creeder Sedan was selling. They are ARTIFICIALLY boosting sales figures by counting the cars ORDERED by the dealer that have yet to be sold to consumer public. A bunch of flat out BS... Creed screwed this one up big time, insulted us DIRECTLY, DCX is lying about sales and the Creeder isn't nearly the great car they want us to believe it is. Like I said before, our cars are orphans because the Chrysler we once knew and loved is dead.

[Big Lebowski]

  And they know it, so here comes the very cool "retro" Challenger

[The Ghoul]

I am a big Barracuda fan and i have to say I dont care what is said about this I love it! I hate the carger I think its a big turd. but this looks great. If they keep these looks (fearing the 99 charger concept swap) I will be on the horrabily opressive wating list! the only way they can screw this concept is if it is not offered in manuel or if its less than a V8

[TheGhost]

The # was 60k per year. Apparently, it was an unnoficial number, neither confirmed nor denied by DCX. A little fact that was failed to be mentioned in the posts....

That's a "fact" What exactly are they teaching you kids these days?

You misunderstood. I was commenting on how in all the posts I've seen which mentioned the 60k target, NOBODY said it wasn't an official DCX number, and actually treated it like it was official, which misled me. I'm now slightly dissillusioned.

Ah, don't be disillusioned. I have no problem with someone liking the car or even bragging about it if it fits their taste in vehicles. Just try to stick with information that can be verified before ripping on someone else (I honestly don't recall seeing that number before but I might not have been paying attention either). What I do have a problem with is someone telling me I should like it based on criteria that means nothing to me or that I'm not a real Mopar fan if I don't like it. People are different and they have different tastes. I don't think I could ever fall in love with the styling of the new Charger and probably wouldn't buy one even if they made it faster AND dropped the price. I would, however, buy something slower and/or more expensive if I fell in love with the styling. That's just me. I really don't care if someone likes exactly what I do (I'd prefer that they didn't).

Troy

I understand that, and, you've actually posted pretty rational reasons for not wanting/liking the new Charger.  It's the people who post like it's the worst car ever made that I don't understand.  I can name LOTS of worse cars than this, such as the Pinto.  The K car.  The Edsel.  The Crown Vic.  The Mustang II.  The little 80s Nova/LeMans crapboxes.  The list goes on and on.  It may not be the retro 2 door car everyone here wanted, but, you have to admit it's a step in the right direction, at least.

[Wilde Racing]

Maybe in the right direction, just should have not used the Charger name IMO....

[Shakey]

THAT is exactly what I was saying 2 months ago when we had the debate over how GREAT the Magnum Creeder Sedan was selling.

You might have to be more specific Bill as these debates are held weekly here!   

[Ghoste]

At least we've kept it relatively civil. (relatively, being the key word in some cases )

[KMPX2]

I have seen the new Cuda & it is a bigger joke than the new Charger. The Challenger is the only one they have gotten right but that is still just a concept , that may or may not get made.

[BigBlackDodge]

I have seen the new Cuda & it is a bigger joke than the new Charger. The Challenger is the only one they have gotten right but that is still just a concept , that may or may not get made.

Well........................what does it look like then?


BBD

[The Ghoul]

I have seen the new Cuda & it is a bigger joke than the new Charger. The Challenger is the only one they have gotten right but that is still just a concept , that may or may not get made.

that makes me sad in pants

[TheGhost]

I have seen the new Cuda & it is a bigger joke than the new Charger. The Challenger is the only one they have gotten right but that is still just a concept , that may or may not get made.

Does this mean they ARE gonna make a DODGE Cuda?   Resurrecting a name from the current companys past is one thing, but, bringing back a nameplate from an automaker that no longer exists is just blech.

[Ghoste]

Why?  The people who love the new sedan are always saying that the rights to the name belong to DCX and they can do whatever they want with it.  The Plymouth names are just as much their right and the old Dodge is just as gone as Plymouth.

[KMPX2]

The Dodge Stratus is gone. It is being replaced with the return of the Avenger. The Cuda will be nothing more that a trim package can be had on the Avenger.

[Ghoste]

So in the end it just becomes the car that Cuda been the one?


Yeah, I know, bad pun.