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Rear fender lip cutting into sidewall

Started by MoparYoungGun, April 01, 2010, 09:30:49 AM

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MoparYoungGun

Hey all, it's been a while since I've been around. I gave up on getting a Charger for the time being, since the market shot up and the economy took a dump. I've been playing with my Uncle's '68 in the mean time though :icon_smile_big: .

I need a little help with my aforementioned Uncle's '68. He's got Ultra wheels, 15x10's on the back with around 5in of backspacing. He had 275/60's on the rear, and as of yesterday afternoon he now has 295/50's. The 275's rubbed the inner fender lip, but only if you hit a bump in the road. I convinced him to swap to the 295's since they are shorter, hopefully remedying the fender lip cutting into the sidewall. They still rub a little, but definitely not as much.

I had mentioned to him rolling the fender lip up, but he doesn't want to do that. New wheels definitely aren't in his budget. My next though was a set of adjustable shocks. Jegs had some from Strange Engineering for $150 ea. He doesn't care if the ride is stiffer, just as long as it fixes the rubbing. Anybody have any other thoughts? Thanks guys!

resq302

Is it on one side or on both wheels?  If it is one side, he may have hit something or shifted the axle to one side somehow.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

MoparYoungGun

Nope, both sides rub. Its definitely because the rims don't have enough backspacing - the guy who measured for the rims got it wrong, but its too late to go back and complain since that was probably 4 years ago.

resq302

Only thing I could suggest as a quick fix would be air shocks but that really puts a pounding on the upper cross member and causes the holes to egg out for the upper shock mount.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Darkman

Can the lip be rolled? Take it to a body shop and ask them, but do not cut it as you will lose the stiffness in panel
Make it idiot proof, and somebody will make a better idiot!

If you think Education is difficult, try being stupid!

HPP

If the 275's rubbed, it was a pretty good bet that the 295 would rub worse, even though they are shorter.

There are only a few ways around this; change tires, change wheels, lift the rear, narrow the rear end, roll the opening lip.

Stiffer shocks won't fix this. Shocks only control how fast the springs move. They do nothing to limit how far they move.

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MoparYoungGun

I keep mentioning rolling the lip, but he doesn't want to hear it.

The 295's actually rub less, and look better too.

Looks like air shocks might be the last option. Thanks again for the suggestions guys!

Long Island RT

Just to be clear - he mounted the 295's on the same rim as 275's and the 275's rubbed the inner fender w/5" backspacing and the 295's rub the quarter panel lip and not the inner fender?
That sounds odd...

Cheap, quick fix - put the 275's back on with 5/16 or 1/4 spacers.  

http://www.ezaccessory.com/5_x_4_1_2_5_Spacer_5_16_Thick_p/602.htm

No more rubbing.

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FLG

LI remember the 295s have a much shorter side wall..even though there wider.

MoparYoungGun

Quote from: Long Island RT on April 02, 2010, 01:22:23 PM
Just to be clear - he mounted the 295's on the same rim as 275's and the 275's rubbed the inner fender w/5" backspacing and the 295's rub the quarter panel lip and not the inner fender?
That sounds odd...

Cheap, quick fix - put the 275's back on with 5/16 or 1/4 spacers.  

http://www.ezaccessory.com/5_x_4_1_2_5_Spacer_5_16_Thick_p/602.htm

No more rubbing.

Both the 275's and 295's rub the quarter panel lip. The lip would cut into the 275's on the sidewall whereas with the 295's it cuts in the top area of the tread. Sorry for saying "inner" in my first post. I've meant the lip itself the whole time. A spacer would only make this problem worse, and cause the fender to slam down on top of the tire.

Troy

New wheels with the correct backspace. Why mess with anything else? Unless these are some super-high-dollar custom wheels it's probably the cheapest option too. Well, skinnier tires might be cheaper but the overall effect wouldn't be ideal. Air shocks are a dangerous hack and not likely to help.

Troy
Sarcasm detector, that's a real good invention.

MoparYoungGun

Quote from: Troy on April 02, 2010, 03:55:18 PM
New wheels with the correct backspace. Why mess with anything else? Unless these are some super-high-dollar custom wheels it's probably the cheapest option too. Well, skinnier tires might be cheaper but the overall effect wouldn't be ideal. Air shocks are a dangerous hack and not likely to help.

Troy


You can't get the style of wheels he has in a 15x10 anymore, only a 15x8 would be available, and his stubborn ass really wants to run a WIDE rear wheel.

What about running a set of adjustable coil over shocks, and cranking those down a bit? Apparantly he's going to talk to a friend of a friend about rolling the lips too. We'll see. Thanks again for all the suggestions guys!

Highbanked Hauler

 Go to a truck spring shop and have them make a helper spring  (one leaf) with rubber pads on the end of the leafs. Tell them how much  you want to lift the car and they can arch the leaf accordingly. It should be cheaper than air shocks.
69 Charger 500, original owner  
68 Charger former parts car in process of rebuilding
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MoparYoungGun

Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on April 08, 2010, 07:39:32 PM
Go to a truck spring shop and have them make a helper spring  (one leaf) with rubber pads on the end of the leafs. Tell them how much  you want to lift the car and they can arch the leaf accordingly. It should be cheaper than air shocks.

Thanks for the suggestion!

Patronus

prob just a portion of the lip needs to be rolled... baseball bat that thing when he's sleeping  :whistling:
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