HELP>>>>>STOLEN/SOLD>>>>PARTS!!!!!!

[harlandodge]

can't you guys that have the vin number gone report your car stolen,, i mean your car is striped ,vin number is gone, who's to say that is your car, if you walk up and can't find your car and dash with the vin number on it why not report it stolen ?

[bullitt68dodgecharger]

looked at whats left of my car,.......well he states he dont build build bondo cars well,.he did not use the good fenders/doors i sent and its got a good healthy thick coating of body filler throughout no attempt of good repair either keith pope dont have enough sence to repair cars or too damn lazy probably both,.........i heard he has a new shop probably into gm cars do not fool with this lazy lying crook pass the word no one should have to go through this i by no means am through with this fool

[SeattleCharger]

sorry about everyone's loss, getting scammed and ripped off is infuriating.

    I wouldn't call this thread slander or lible from what I can gather reading it.    

 Hopefully this thread will help keep others from getting ripped off in the future, whether from that keith shit or from others

[bullitt68dodgecharger]

sorry about everyone's loss, getting scammed and ripped off is infuriating.

    I wouldn't call this thread slander or lible from what I can gather reading it.    

 Hopefully this thread will help keep others from getting ripped off in the future, whether from that keith shit or from others

bless your heart seattle charger,........looks like you like the best year of em ,.........a 68 am i right?,............i mean they are ALL great 66-74

[Tilar]

Personally I think everyone should go pay a visit to the man and explain their side of the story. If enough people went I'm sure he would understand the situation and make amends to everyone involved. 

[bullitt68dodgecharger]

Personally I think everyone should go pay a visit to the man and explain their side of the story. If enough people went I'm sure he would understand the situation and make amends to everyone involved. 

lmao at tilar,.............well id love to see him so would others if they knew where he is,....besides if he had a damn drop of gumption to him he'd be talking to us,......make amemds? lol what kinda naive world you livin in???

[Tilar]

Don't take anything for face value. Maybe you should re-read what I was wrote and then take note of the little emote that follows it.


In other words, Take his ass out back of the barn and explain to him by hand how things are.  Do you understand now?

[SeattleCharger]

or this emote      

   

 after your post tilar, I was imagining that this guy buys lotto tickets ever week, and how he hopes he will win so he can pay back everyone he screwed over


              ya, when  


      Your idea is better, and A LOT more likely of happening,    (though for the record I am not condoning this)      

         look at this interesting symbol below, though I have no idea what it means   

[Old Moparz]

WARNING! Long Winded Post!   

Interesting thread with a few similarities of what had happened to me in the late 1980's at a restoration shop. I know there are variations in the laws from state to state, but I do believe that this guy, & possibly his wife, can be sued, arrested, & charged, both corporately & personally. I also agree with what Skip said, you have to plan things out in advance, be patient, & don't make waves & attract lots of attention.

Contacting the media & such is a Hollywood thing, you may as well be a guest on Jerry Springer if you go that route. Yeah sure, it's a great service to the hobby to want to help others & alert them so they too, aren't a victim, but you don't want to alert the person who screwed you that you are actually doing something about it. It gives them a much greater chance at getting rid of any evidence & burying paper trails that will incriminate them in court.

When I was ripped off by a shop, it was for shoddy workmanship, work that was promised & never completed, missing parts, & also for construction work I did in the building & was never paid for. I was lucky enough to have a very good, & very thorough lawyer who took my case on contingency. That means he doesn't get paid unless money is collected from the person who screwed you. If I had collected any money, his portion was 1/3 of whatever I got. It may be difficult to find someone to take the case this way, but it is possible.

The only fees I had to pay out of pocket were filing fees in court & a few other expenses, like property searches, DMV searches to see what is in their name, & judgment searches to see if there were cases brought against him prior to mine. The reason for the judgment search is to help build your case & to see where you stand in line to collect money. In my case, there were $250,000 worth of judgments against the shop already. For him to stay in business & have that many suits against him meant he was judgment proof.

He lived in a luxury high-rise, co-op apartment, overlooking the Hudson River & drove several classic cars, including a 1957 Eldorado Biarritz. (Google that one to see how rare it is.) The co-op was in his wife's name, & the DMV searches showed he didn't have one single vehicle in his name. If I recall, he sold cars on consignment, so he may have driven the ones he was trying to peddle & had just claimed they were his.

There are other things you can do to help, like keeping very good records of all contact. Contracts, conversations in person, by phone, & by email. Receipts of everything you ever bought for the car that is stripped along with photos. When the court date comes, be prepared for the accused to be a "no-show" that day. The guy I sued, William (Bill) Losse of Fort Lee, NJ, proprietor of Past & Present Automotive in Closter, NJ, didn't show.

The Judge listened to my story, looked at receipts, photos, & the papers my lawyer had, & awarded me the judgment against the shop, as well as against William Losse personally. The reason my lawyer said I can sue him personally, was because he represented his shop to be able to perform certain tasks that were not possible. The judgment against him personally was a civil case & will not expire. If any assets turn up at a later date you can put a lien on them to collect what is owed to you.

It's been over 20 years in my case, & I had moved out of state, bought a house, & pretty much gave up on trying to collect. Out of pocket I lost about $4500 for work on the car & building materials in his shop & will have to redo whatever was done to the car. Who knows what it will cost in today's prices to correct his shit work on my Satellite convertible? The total judgment was just over $13,000 & I never saw a penny. I could have pursued it further & had him subpoenaed to prove he has no assets. My lawyer said he wouldn't show up for that either, but then a warrant would be issued for his arrest. If I was still living in NJ at the time & had the money to file & do all that, I would have, just to be there when he was arrested & enjoy seeing the look on his face while he was cuffed.

The whole process is slow going, but if you play by the rules & don't get caught up in emotions, it more than likely will play out in your favor. You also have to make sure you spell people's names correctly, file suit against the correct company name, & also make sure you know who's name the company is in. Sometimes a company will vary in name by the title having "Inc." or "LLC" or whatever, after the name. Doesn't seem like much, but in court it does. Spelling something wrong, or choosing the wrong company name, & the process starts all over wasting more & more time & money in legal fees.

Good luck. 

[jeryst]

So basically, you spent $4500 to collect $13000 that you never saw a penny of. That's encouraging. No wonder the scum do what they do. They dont get punished.

[Old Moparz]

So basically, you spent $4500 to collect $13000 that you never saw a penny of. That's encouraging. No wonder the scum do what they do. They dont get punished.

In one respect that's what I did, but don't forget that I also got the chance to have my ragtop screwed up & still needing 2 quarters to be redone again as well as a few other issues. I also got to do some construction work in the shop that was probably torn down before it was ever used by the new tenant.   

My real point though, was that not everyone will be judgment proof like the guy I sued. In my case the fire department shut him down for various violations he never corrected. It was probably the last straw that got him to walk away from a failing business. I had found out later on from a person that had worked for him, that he purchased a reputable restoration shop but didn't know how to run it & screwed over a lot of people in the process.

Yes, people can keep reopening businesses with new names & screw more unsuspecting people, it's inevitable. Every once in a while someone will get caught, & the system will work if you're patient. On a smaller scale, I had won 2 other cases & collected on both. One was $700 for a transmission from a person I bought a car from who was supposed to have replaced a set of transmission lines, but only sectioned in a small piece causing the crushed section to burn up the trans. The other was some a-hole who sold me my garage doors & shorted me on $200 worth of hardware I had receipts for & ignored me for months.

I have a great winning record in court over almost 30 years, I'm 3 for 3. Too bad I only collected small pennies twice. 

[RAC95054]

I have a very similar story, my money was taken, no work was done, went through court (for which he never showed also), won, etc etc but in the end got nothing other than the judgement that would show up against him on any credit/load/application-related dealing he would ever do.  The problem there is, since these guys tend to be more clever than we think, they put all assets in other peoples' name, do cash-only transactions, and even bank under someone else's account, so they don't care.  Since I could never find where he banked (or even lived since he used PO Boxes), there was nothing to win.  Just justice and piece of mind.  Sadly, as with subcontrators, they basically have you by the balls if the want to, and it's damn near impossible to win unless you have everything in writing, photos and a good paper trail to prove a criminal act (like fraud, theft, injury, etc).  A class action would seem to be the best course, because the stakes get bigger, and makes the payoff better for the lawyer(s).  Then they are more likely to go the extra mile to get something.  The key is they have to have assets and/or income to win anything, though.  My summary is, be ready to spend money for the justice, but not likely to see any of your money returned.  Good luck!

[AKcharger]

If I got scamed I'd be sad 

[bullitt68dodgecharger]

hmmmmmm,.......a business i never heard of before,......in the london/somerset area www.reactiontimedragracingcomponents.com,......dont know why i put it here lol ,.......hey y'all check it out,...........wonder who owns it?

[69charger2002]

did ANYONE go after these guys? does anyone know what the current status is on the whole ordeal?

[bullitt68dodgecharger]

travis you contacted me once i tried and tried to reach you i would keep you updated on this if you could be reach,.......all these other guys wander what happened with you and troy

[69charger2002]

give me a shout i'd love to hear from you. do you still have my number? pm if not.

[451-74Charger]

Looks like the site got taken down...

www.reactiontimedragracingcomponents.com

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[bullitt68dodgecharger]

travis im not really sure how to im you on here,.........yes i heard that site been taken down,......knowing him hes probably doing someone else wrong

[unrulyprocuda]

I feel sorry for anyone that gets screwed on a restoration project i cannot stress to potential customers of my friends resto shop to make shure you check out current and past projects,get references phone numbers and actually call the customers that have had cars done there if the shop is reputable they will provide you with many names and phone numbers ask questions like how much an hour do you charge does that include materials and labor whats the specifics ask how its billed different shops have different billing cycles and practices my friends shop also sends you current photos of work performed with the bill and you are more than welcome to show up at any time to check on your car the main thing is how much do you percieve that i will spend restoring my car and how long will it take from start to finish my friends are the best in the country they have won 5 oe gold awards at the mopar nationals in the last 5 years they charge 65.00 an hour plus parts and materials and the average restoration is to expensive for most of us.thats where the problem is most of us do not have 100,000.00 laying around to get our cars done so we find alternatives like the afformentioned shop thats why i say references references references  family problems or not business is business and what this shop did is wrong and if you prove that he actually sold your parts he need to be punished to the full extent of my baseball bat i mean law not really

FYI  best mopar restoration shop in the country Paul Jacobs Troy Angelly restorations in southern Indiana and Illinois

[bmoparmofo]

Hi, charger punk just posted an ad from ebay for a 73 charger /6 car in the cars for sale section. Strange thing is, its from london, KY ....

[71bee]

So this is the thread that Troy was tellin' me about. man, what a shame!

At least Troy (Troy_Utah) is finally getting his baby back in shape. the car is almost ready to be fired up. I just barely finished re-building the Carter AVS that will adorn his newly re-built 440. he told me about the trials & misfortunes that he encountered with this Kentucky clown (no offense Kentuckians). I can't believe this guy hasn't been locked up. what ever happened to GRAND LARCENY?  last I heard it was "illegal" to screw people over like that!  

[bullitt68dodgecharger]

So this is the thread that Troy was tellin' me about. man, what a shame  last I heard it was "illegal" to screw people over like that!  

evidently not in laurel county kentucky

[jeryst]

Well, if its not illegal to screw people over, then it may not be illegal to screw people up.

I have one simple solution base on what someone else here mentioned. Why dont all of you just report your cars stolen? Then you can tell the police, insurance companies, whoever, that the last place it was seen, was at this clowns place of business. Your cars HAVE been stolen, y'know.

[bullitt68dodgecharger]

because in kentucky according to an official from ksp it is not illegal to remove vin# to do auto repairs,.......