selling the smallville charger?

[ChargerBill]

Well, I have been enlightened as to how this whole thing went down...and I can tell you all, I haven't been wrong about it one bit. It seemed a little off, and apparently it didn't go exactly as ORCHESTRATED (yes, orchestrated) and now we have the aftermath...an overhyped Charger that still hasn't met reserve and Stuntman not coming around. JimShine brought up a good point, one that I had considered as well. What if John and Tom decide to go out for lunch in John's CHARGER next week? Wouldn't THAT Charger then be the last Charger John and Tom drove? And what if in 2025 they do a Dukes Reunion and John and Tom end up on film driving a GL Charger THEN...wouldn't THAT be the last Charger The Duke Boys drive? Anything can happen, right? My point is that this whole thing could have been handled VERY differently...without all the boasting and forced hype. Instead there are many GL fans over at the GLFC website and here who feel like this was overplayed and unwarranted....but don't take my word for it, ask around.

Look, I could have just kept my trap shut and sat back and watched it all play out, but I have a hard time doing that in situations as contrived and bastardized as this. Despite what some of you may think, I DO NOT like when these kind of things happen...it only divides us. BUT IMO the hobby ceases to be fun when you have to sidestep suspicious smelling piles of dung (BS claims) about overhyped/overpriced car parts and cars presented by people trying to gouge some unsuspecting buyer (because some unsuspecting schmoe COULD have believed the original claim made on ebay). This was definitely an instance where the fun was SUCKED right out of this hobby by someone making erroneous claims and expecting us all to lap it up like starving dogs. I will always exercise my right and ability to keep quiet when the issues are inconsequential and/or irrelevant, but IMO this was not the time to SOMH and keep quiet.

[Troy]

Ok I can see that buuuuuuuuuuut, the car is well documented and it doesn't take a whole lot of investigation to learn the entire history. He even posted links in the ad just in case and changed the ad to be more clear. That's a whole lot more than I can say for many sellers there. If you buy a car on eBay for $30-50k (or even $30-50) just by reading the ad and never inspect or research the car then you're an idiot. I can't think of a nicer way to say that. If, after researching, you are not satisfied with the description then either don't buy the car or choose a bid that reflects what you honestly think the car is worth. Compare this to a car that appears from nowhere, the seller has private feedback, and you can neither see pictures nor know the VIN until the sale is complete.

The thing about this car is that it's probably not worth a whole lot as a normal 69 Charger even with the work that's been done to it. However, the very points that were being hyped were the ones that would boost the price beyond the going rate because it fuels the desire for something unique. Trust me, most Dukes fans - especially anyone that would be tempted to go for this car - already knew more about the car than the speculators here or the average Joe on eBay who saw it as a novelty but had no plans on buying. Seriously, if it were a car that someone wanted they'd overlook the flaws and the wording of the ad if the price fit their budget. HLPAG sells cars on eBay using multi-colored type in all caps so apparently overhyping a product works in that environment. If I was desperate for money I'm sure I could write creative ads to boost sales. Things are a whole lot different when it's someone else's car.

Troy

[blade trinity]

I did the Pilot Episode for Smallvile. I think I'll take my Blade car over and get a picture of John sitting in it. I'll post it here if I get a chance to go over! Blade Vs Duke. Now that would be an interesting?? movie.

[HAZZARDJOHN]

once again, I don't think I am getting through. He said it was the last Charger driven by John and Tom on Network T.V. That is a fact right now. YOu guys are calling him names and a liar. I think that is way off base. You are right exactly what I said earlier. They very well could do another reunion movie in 2025. I doubt it, but I already covered that. If John and Tom Drive to get a burger in John's Charger, and gets the WB to film it and run it. Then that would be the last Charger driven by TOm and John on t.v. Why is this such a hard concept for you to understand? Now I am growing tired of this so this will be my last post on this subject, but I just want to Reiterate if this hobby upsets you so much sell your cars and take up checkers. You are going to give yourself a heartattack if something this small can get you all worked up!

Have a great day!
John

[ChargerBill]

So, where do we draw the line?

I guess we should be lenient on ebayers who don't send product? Or maybe Hlpag? Should we never complain about a part that doesn't fit? Maybe swapping VINs or the rebadging of a car should be allowed? What if a guy claims it's 100% factory original...and then you find out it's been painted a different color than it originally was on the assembly line? What if it's referred to as a survivor and the TRUTH is that it was severely damaged in an accident 15 years ago, was repaired using factory parts and only "looks" original today? What if a part is called NOS but a friend of yours KNOWS it's a used part and doesn't tell you? What if the car had previous flood damage and when you were looking to buy the car you were told it was "flawless"? Is a LITTLE lie acceptable, but a BIG lie unacceptable? Who will decide how we apply this double standard? You? Me? Galen? Hlpag? What you're saying makes no sense...a lie is a lie...and truth is truth. If something isn't up to snuff, 100% truthful or accurate, or just plain false should SOMEONE say something? This viewpoint sounds hypocritical IMO.

As far as saying I don't enjoy the hobby...who are you to interpret what I think or believe or feel? I DO enjoy the hobby, I've been involved for 25 years, and want to see it stay somewhat pure and ethical (as ethical as possible) and THAT is why I bothered with this topic. So, the exact opposite is true...it is BECAUSE I care about and enjoy the hobby that I said anything about this. And apparently wasn't wrong in doing so...the seller CHANGED his ad because of the backlash...didn't he? THAT in itself says that this discussion did some good FOR THE HOBBY. I suggest you stop the self righteous act and reread the thread and open your eyes... Maybe Richard is a friend of yours, but that doesn't mean that what he did STILL wasn't a little deceiving and contrived.

[Recharger]

Won't Somebody PLEASE think of the Children!

                       

[The Ghoul]

The owner certianly doesn't need to be called any names simply because the poster can't bother to be informed. Unfortunately, this appears to be a problem with a specific age group in particular and, you guessed it, most don't have cars or even driver's licenses.

Troy

Gee, how could I have gotten confused sorry then.

No wonder this is so difficult. Ever heard of "context"? Try reading the entire paragraph as one. I'll highlight the relevant points for you:

I never said his opinion wasn't valid - I was just making a point. It's easy to rip on someone (a person other than the one writing) else's car when you've (anyone in particular) never had to build one yourself (again, anyone in particular). People (anyone who has built/restored a car) put too much money, blood, sweat, and tears into their cars only to be critiqued by someone (Andrew specifically since this is a reference to his post) living at home with their parents with zero responsibilities. The marker light issue has an explanation and so does the blue paint but it's obviously too difficult for some people (Andrew again) to spend 10 seconds to read because they (Andrew again) need to pad their post count and try to sound intelligent. The owner (Stuntman) certianly doesn't need to be called any names simply because the poster (Andrew again) can't bother to be informed. Unfortunately, this appears to be a problem with a specific age group in particular and, you guessed it, most don't have cars or even driver's licenses.

Troy

So there. Only the very last sentence has anything resembling a "brad generalization" (sp) about the younger generation and it is entirely true on this board (reference mustanghater, ChargerPUNK and his brother, et al). You don't fit into that group but if you feel it was aimed in your direction then possibly things are clearer now. You even quoted the part about calling names even though it is a reference specifically to Andrew's post. I thought I was fairly specific but next time I'll type slower so everyone can keep up.

Troy

and the last portion is what i was questioning.
I understood clearly
I said what I wanted
Now my young person ADD is kicking in so i dont care any more.
So if it makes you feel any better and will help us get past this, Ill just tell you what you wanted to hear "I didnt understand what you were saying because i didnt read all of the post you win"