69 RR with 99 99 paint code ( petty blue ) ? was it avalible

[riffraf]

Ok for anyone interested Mr Govier mailed back
I sent the Fender tag PIC

He said "its 1 of 7 produced from the LA plant" so there you go they did make petty Blue RR's in 1969 he is getting back to me with a history also so when i receieve it i will post.
Now who else has one
Cheers

[TruckDriver]

  Way cool! 

[moparstuart]

Ok for anyone interested Mr Govier mailed back
I sent the Fender tag PIC

He said "its 1 of 7 produced from the LA plant" so there you go they did make petty Blue RR's in 1969 he is getting back to me with a history also so when i receieve it i will post.
Now who else has one
Cheers

wow its amazing he got back to you , let alone that quickly   

[ACUDANUT]

Yea, cool color. I can't believe Galen got back to you so quickly also. 

[tatrick2me]

I purchased a Petty blue 69 RR manufactured at Lynch RD from Fred Drake Chrysler Plymouth Pensacola FL. In May 69 the car had a build date of 10/12/68. They told me a guy ordered it and never picked it up. I sold the car March 70 in Seattle WA on my way back to Vietnam. The car had sit the dealer because mopar people were pissed at Petty for running fords. I paid $2,780.00 cash out the door for the car.

[tan top]

Ok for anyone interested Mr Govier mailed back
I sent the Fender tag PIC

He said "its 1 of 7 produced from the LA plant" so there you go they did make petty Blue RR's in 1969 he is getting back to me with a history also so when i receieve it i will post.
Now who else has one
Cheers

wow its amazing he got back to you , let alone that quickly  

yeah me too !! 

sent some questions about his services over 20 years back , long before internet , still waiting for a reply  
even phoned at the time , but no one ever answered  

[68pplcharger]

 

[68X426]

Incredible that you heard back from Govier. 

So many of us do not. Even on the rare issues, like 999 and 99 99 cars.

I have worked to gather info on 68 Road Runners, 999 code, Petty Blue. I own one. I've met up with 2 other owners, Les in Michigan and Roy in Illinois.

We all have sent correspondence to GG and had no replies and only one quick phone conversation. He stated to Les that there was only one 68 RR 999 Petty Blue ever built (not just in his registry but ever built in 68). No name or location was provided. Well there are three of us who know that at least four 68s were built. I think GG just wants compensation for his info, we all see this as a hobby. I understand and accept the situation. Riffraf certainly scored.

In an earlier post I attached a pdf of the "Blues": Petty Blue compared to Corporate Blue. This time I added a imageshack pic. They are two different colors, the Petty has more white in it. Hopefully the difference shows up on the screen you're looking at. Several art designer friends (and Mopar addicts) worked on paint samples to get the colors correct (there is a lot of science behind the colors that go into paints).

To be very specific, the RGB color coding (in a Microsoft world) is R44-G103-B169 for Petty Blue and R38-G92-B154 for Corporate Blue. I don't know what this means to a paint manufacturer, or a CAD person, or Photoshop, or to us regular folks. I just wanted to point out that they are two different colors, and were that way in 1968 and 1969.

Hopefully everyone can keeping sharing what they know about 68-69-70 999 and 99 99 Mopars.

[tan top]

intresting stuff  ,  i never realised they were different  , , they look so different side by side !!  coporate blue looks dirtier , or greener my be  

[riffraf]

Incredible that you heard back from Govier. 

So many of us do not. Even on the rare issues, like 999 and 99 99 cars.

I have worked to gather info on 68 Road Runners, 999 code, Petty Blue. I own one. I've met up with 2 other owners, Les in Michigan and Roy in Illinois.

We all have sent correspondence to GG and had no replies and only one quick phone conversation. He stated to Les that there was only one 68 RR 999 Petty Blue ever built (not just in his registry but ever built in 68). No name or location was provided. Well there are three of us who know that at least four 68s were built. I think GG just wants compensation for his info, we all see this as a hobby. I understand and accept the situation. Riffraf certainly scored.

In an earlier post I attached a pdf of the "Blues": Petty Blue compared to Corporate Blue. This time I added a imageshack pic. They are two different colors, the Petty has more white in it. Hopefully the difference shows up on the screen you're looking at. Several art designer friends (and Mopar addicts) worked on paint samples to get the colors correct (there is a lot of science behind the colors that go into paints).

To be very specific, the RGB color coding (in a Microsoft world) is R44-G103-B169 for Petty Blue and R38-G92-B154 for Corporate Blue. I don't know what this means to a paint manufacturer, or a CAD person, or Photoshop, or to us regular folks. I just wanted to point out that they are two different colors, and were that way in 1968 and 1969.

Hopefully everyone can keeping sharing what they know about 68-69-70 999 and 99 99 Mopars.

Wow mate you have a petty blue 68 can you post some pics for me please i feel like an orphan
I will try and post Galens mail (so you guys know im lagit) and he didnt ask for money but i offered to pay if he can come up with a history and figures so lets see.
Craig

[Ghoste]

I don't think anyone disbelieves you so much as they are shocked by him for his out of character response

[ACUDANUT]

 Interesting point. This is our Hobby, and we don't charge for input or responses...Together we know more, than one man. 
And we get back with you.!

[riffraf]

I don't think anyone disbelieves you so much as they are shocked by him for his out of character response

I dont know much about the man and i appreciate his time so here is the mail i got FYI hope more to come

[Ghoste]

There is an important distinction in his e-mail that everyone seems to do to Galen (and I'll take his side very much on this).  You stated that he told you it's one of seven from the LA plant (which he did) but he also adds the words "that I have accounted for", and that part is important too.  When Galen gives out production numbers on certain combinations he typically means the number that he has personally verified, not the number that is written in stone as a sure production figure.
I realize that you were likely not trying to imply this either but I see so many people do it to Galen that I did feel the need to point it out.

[riffraf]

Yes Ghoste i realize that point i assumed he has accounted for the 7 from the L.A plant  he also said 2 other plants to account for as well thats why i mailed him back asking him for a total if he can find that magic number (in total) lets see shall we its starting to get interesting as when i started they didnt exist

[68X426]

Riffraf: I'll PM you, I don't want to hijack this thread. It should remain about your car and Petty Blue 99 99.

[69CoronetRT]

Yes Ghoste i realize that point i assumed he has accounted for the 7 from the L.A plant  he also said 2 other plants to account for as well thats why i mailed him back asking him for a total if he can find that magic number (in total)

Galen, nor probably anyone else, would not know that number as the production records by color for 69 and earlier either do not exist, they've never been found or they've never been released. You can only go by what he knows to exist. Someone else could know of 10-12 RR's in that color. They just don't publicize the data.

What he said is RR's were produced at two other plants. That only means other 99 paint RR's could have been produced at plants that made RR's. It doesn't mean they did or didn't. Relying on one man's work discounts other sources that may exist.

[riffraf]

Yes Ghoste i realize that point i assumed he has accounted for the 7 from the L.A plant  he also said 2 other plants to account for as well thats why i mailed him back asking him for a total if he can find that magic number (in total)

Galen, nor probably anyone else, would not know that number as the production records by color for 69 and earlier either do not exist, they've never been found or they've never been released. You can only go by what he knows to exist. Someone else could know of 10-12 RR's in that color. They just don't publicize the data.

What he said is RR's were produced at two other plants. That only means other 99 paint RR's could have been produced at plants that made RR's. It doesn't mean they did or didn't. Relying on one man's work discounts other sources that may exist.

I think you have missed the point here sunshine the question was did they produce them answer is yes im good with that.

[Tom Q]

See that "9" in the SO #??

From what I've seen, the LA plant was the only one that used the 925***, 926*** and 927*** VON code for 99 paint cars regularly yet they were not consistent in using the code the entire production year. While it is common to find the 92**** VON with 99 paint code cars from the LA plant, that procedure does not seem to carry over to St. Louis or Lynch Road. You can find 99 paint cars from those plants with regular VON numbers.

It's also interesitng to note that the 925 and 926 series VONs were used for Charger 500s and Daytonas. What's it mean? IDK. It's just one more piece of the VON assignment puzzle.

I have yet to find a spring special St Louis car that does not have the "9" in the SO#
My 69 RR is the first 99/Y39/9 VON tag seen by a collector of  them.

Here are some notes I have accumulated:


Spring Green was a mid year release and was coded 99, 97 or 97E depending on plant and time of year. Any non standard color, that is a color that was not specifically released for that particular make and model or cars that required special painting schemes, like a cop car, will code 99 (1969 code number).

There were some colors that received special coding such as Spring Green. Early on, it appears Spring Green was coded 99. All three plants used 99, 97 or 97E depending on the plant or time of year. Bahama Yellow coded 99 early in the year then later it codes 96. LA tended to use the 99 code while Lynch rd plants and ST Louis used 97 or 96 for Green and Yellow/Butterscotch.

Omaha Orange was coded 99 before the color was changed to K2. There is at least one 99 code blue car with a blue interior. What the orig color the car was actually painted is unknown.  Occasionally, really odd paint codes like 16 pop up.

V2 starts to show up on Super Bees in late March and on other Dodges a little later. It's been seen on 329 SPD A12 cars.  There were not A12 specific colors, with the exception of Butterscotch on A12 Super Bees. Of the  99 "normal" colors  petty blue is the least common.
Saint Louis Plant used 99, 97, and 97E for Rallye Green on the tags depending on Scheduled production date

STL was very hit and miss with Y codes...seeing Y39 on 69 STL car is a little unusual. Also the VON starts with 9, not common for STL 99 paint cars, so there most be some 'story' behind the car too. STL 99 paint cars did not normally receive- the special VON or Y39 code so I'm thinking there may be some other reason for the codes

LA used special VONs for 99 paint almost all model year (very common for LA) but St. Louis did not follow the same format. There also seems to be a high percentage of 99 cars from the LA plant compared to overall production and to other plants.  Y codes and specialty VONs are also not common on STL tags.



Orange (V2) and Bahama Yellow (96) followed in Dodge TSB D69-23-20. Bahama Yellow was originally meant for the "Super Bee Six Pack only." For Plymouth B-Bodies, Vitamin C Orange (K2) replaced Omaha Orange (999) on approximately February 1, 1969, as stated in TSB 69-23-18 of April 7, 1969. Depending on the circumstances, these '69 colors would be identified on the data plates as special order code 99. For example, Bahama Yellow was first catalogued for Plymouth B-Bodies in a bulletin dated January 22, 1969.

[69CoronetRT]

I think you have missed the point here sunshine the question was did they produce them answer is yes im good with that.

I didn't miss the point at all nor do I think anyone questioned the possibility they could have been available. I was responding to your post about a 'magic' number as it seems like you want to know an exact total of how many cars were produced in Petty blue at all of the plants. That's not possible to know.

We do know it's one of seven accounted for, not 'produced' at, from the LA plant.

[69CoronetRT]

I have yet to find a spring special St Louis car that does not have the "9" in the SO#
My 69 RR is the first 99/Y39/9 VON tag seen by a collector of  them.

Tom,

I've acquired a lot more tags since we conversed but, to date, your car is still the only 99/Y39/9 VON tag I have seen. There was something very different about your car.

[bill440cars]

 Say guys, I'm new here and actually found this place, because I was looking to find out what the paint code for "Petty" Blue was. I happened to have had a '69 road runner that was that color, from the factory too. I bought it in California (San Rafael) in the Spring of 1970 and it was a 1 owner car. Here is the best picture I have of it, as it has been gone for quite some time now. I have no record of what the VIN was, but it DID have a black vinyl top, black interior, the wide black racing stripes and the Air Grabber. Also had steel wheels and hubcaps (replaced those with E T Unilug wheels). Be checking in better tomorrow.

    Not a good picture by the way, sorry.

         


           

[Aero426]

Petty Blue is the color that Richard and Maurice Petty created in 1959, starting with their Grand National Plymouth Fury. They patented their color and Petty Racing owns the rights to the color. Chrysler paid royalties for its use.

Why would Chrysler pay royalties to the Pettys when Corporate Blue is so similar?   That does not make any sense.   My understanding is the production cars are Corporate Blue.   We just call them "Petty Blue".    Yes, the two colors are slightly different.    In fact there are slightly different versions of Petty Blue used on the race cars through the ages.   The trademarking thing took place in the modern era.

[moparstuart]

 Say guys, I'm new here and actually found this place, because I was looking to find out what the paint code for "Petty" Blue was. I happened to have had a '69 road runner that was that color, from the factory too. I bought it in California (San Rafael) in the Spring of 1970 and it was a 1 owner car. Here is the best picture I have of it, as it has been gone for quite some time now. I have no record of what the VIN was, but it DID have a black vinyl top, black interior, the wide black racing stripes and the Air Grabber. Also had steel wheels and hubcaps (replaced those with E T Unilug wheels). Be checking in better tomorrow.

    Not a good picture by the way, sorry.

         


           

welcome great back in the day photo   

[tan top]

 Say guys, I'm new here and actually found this place, because I was looking to find out what the paint code for "Petty" Blue was. I happened to have had a '69 road runner that was that color, from the factory too. I bought it in California (San Rafael) in the Spring of 1970 and it was a 1 owner car. Here is the best picture I have of it, as it has been gone for quite some time now. I have no record of what the VIN was, but it DID have a black vinyl top, black interior, the wide black racing stripes and the Air Grabber. Also had steel wheels and hubcaps (replaced those with E T Unilug wheels). Be checking in better tomorrow.

    Not a good picture by the way, sorry.

         


           

hello & welcome  , thanks for sharing the story & posting picture !! interesting stuff