lets build a dragster!

[68chargerboy]

high rev motors are nuthin but valve train problems,  cool idea but not exactly what im goin for.  i did think about putting TT's on a 500 stroker but it would make too much power for a stock block, and whats the point of having TT's if i have to turn the boost down to 6lbs?

  I would think it would take some fabrication skills to pull off correctly. For the price you could build a NICE 500 wedge and have no issues. For a 90% drag car I wouldn't bother with the Viper mill unless you like challenges. Glad to hear you haven't given up as it's been a bit since you posted about this.

im not to worried about the fab work im good with that stuff 

[motorcitydak]

I know you would be changing springs every year or so, just a suggestion. Its hard to be origional with a 440 block. Everything has been done which is both good and bad. If you really want to blow peoples mind with the motor, toss a new 426 Hemi in there. That will drop jaws for sure

[68chargerboy]

I know you would be changing springs every year or so, just a suggestion. Its hard to be origional with a 440 block. Everything has been done which is both good and bad. If you really want to blow peoples mind with the motor, toss a new 426 Hemi in there. That will drop jaws for sure

if i had the money i would   the viper motor seems the most economical, but everyone seems to be leaning towards just a plain ol' 440 stroker.  im gunna have to think about this one for a while, i just dont see any benefits of using a cast iron 440 block that can only handle around 650hp when i viper motor is efi, a ton lighter, and has 600hp stock and is capable of way more with simple things such as a $300 tuner.  also a 727 is only so strong, and with a 6 speed manual i would be able to bring the power to the ground a little more safely

[motorcitydak]

If you can get the viper motor for 8k and have it running for 10k total, Id say that is a smokin deal for 600+hp. Think about it

Good 440 block-500
Machine shop bill-750
440 rebuilt kit-200
stroker kit-1800
Cyl heads-2000
Cam-300
Rockers-300
Intake-300
Good carb-800
Day on the dyno-700
headers-400
valve covers-200
Ignition-600
oil pan and pickup-200

I know those numbers are just guesses, but that puts you at $8750 for just the motor. There are also a bunch of things I know I left out too. Then keep in mind that an EFI motor monitors itself, adjusts its own timing and A/F ratio and will be more efficent. Then there is just that cool factor you want so badly. That number also does not include the trans, so +$1500. In your case, Id for sure go for the v10 viper plant. Its more fun shifting your own gears anyway

[68chargerboy]

If you can get the viper motor for 8k and have it running for 10k total, Id say that is a smokin deal for 600+hp. Think about it

Good 440 block-500
Machine shop bill-750
440 rebuilt kit-200
stroker kit-1800
Cyl heads-2000
Cam-300
Rockers-300
Intake-300
Good carb-800
Day on the dyno-700
headers-400
valve covers-200
Ignition-600
oil pan and pickup-200

I know those numbers are just guesses, but that puts you at $8750 for just the motor. There are also a bunch of things I know I left out too. Then keep in mind that an EFI motor monitors itself, adjusts its own timing and A/F ratio and will be more efficent. Then there is just that cool factor you want so badly. That number also does not include the trans, so +$1500. In your case, Id for sure go for the v10 viper plant. Its more fun shifting your own gears anyway

thats what im leaning towards and im sure ur totals are just a base price too, building a motor these days isnt cheap, and you deff get what you pay for.  looks like its the viper motor to me 

[Blown70]

Ok, not a bad plan but you have A LOT of work to stuff that motor in, and keep in mind it will be custom made by you in most cases.  Shear engine price sure.  What is your time worth?.... You will be redoing the tunnel, tranny mounts.... some sort of sub frame connector, with all that HP, what rear you plan to run....?  Sticky tire 600 hp, will take some upgrading....

Now you have to cool that viper motor, make and intake, as you may not have room for the stock one.....

Again,,,,, lots more than just cost of motor.

keep in mind at least the 440 engine was built for that car and would set in much less fabrication........

[motorcitydak]

You ever think of making is a solid front axle AF/X car? I think the car would be breaking necks from doing double-takes looking at an AF/X 66 monaco with a Viper 10 motor and trans.

I really do not think that making new mounts and crossmembers is all that hard. I had to do em for my 5.7 Hemi swap into my truck. Id say that total fab time for my motor mounts both frame and motor side along with the complete trans mount and crossmember was about 1.5 days or work. You will have to cut into the firewall to shove that motor back, especially if you are going to do an AF/X. Air intake is easy and will only take a few hours to completely fab and just order a custom radiatior. As long as you can get the wiring harness and computer that will run on the stand, it can be in the car and burning the tires for around 10 grand.

As for the rear axle, Ive said it before and will do it again. Ford 9 inch rears are stronger that a dana 60 and are lighter than an 8 3/4. I put em in everything I build.

[Blown70]

Never said hard, just maybe something to think about.  Is that something he want s to do MC?

I am just stating thing he has to think about, nothing more.

Again, does he want to spend 1.5 days fabbing up parts, maybe, maybe not. 

I do like the AF/X idea.......

I will still keep my dana.... thanks

[68chargerboy]

Ok, not a bad plan but you have A LOT of work to stuff that motor in, and keep in mind it will be custom made by you in most cases.  Shear engine price sure.  What is your time worth?.... You will be redoing the tunnel, tranny mounts.... some sort of sub frame connector, with all that HP, what rear you plan to run....?  Sticky tire 600 hp, will take some upgrading....

Now you have to cool that viper motor, make and intake, as you may not have room for the stock one.....

Again,,,,, lots more than just cost of motor.

keep in mind at least the 440 engine was built for that car and would set in much less fabrication........

frame connectors already custum fabbed into the car, did that about 2 weeks ago.  as for the time spent im not to concerned, i get a month of coming up here in a few weeks so just sittin on my butt for a while, why not do sumthing fun? lol.  for the rear i have a dana 60 to put in once i get the 4 link on 

You ever think of making is a solid front axle AF/X car? I think the car would be breaking necks from doing double-takes looking at an AF/X 66 monaco with a Viper 10 motor and trans.

I really do not think that making new mounts and crossmembers is all that hard. I had to do em for my 5.7 Hemi swap into my truck. Id say that total fab time for my motor mounts both frame and motor side along with the complete trans mount and crossmember was about 1.5 days or work. You will have to cut into the firewall to shove that motor back, especially if you are going to do an AF/X. Air intake is easy and will only take a few hours to completely fab and just order a custom radiatior. As long as you can get the wiring harness and computer that will run on the stand, it can be in the car and burning the tires for around 10 grand.

As for the rear axle, Ive said it before and will do it again. Ford 9 inch rears are stronger that a dana 60 and are lighter than an 8 3/4. I put em in everything I build.

AF/X car hmmmmmm never thought about that........ now that would deffinatley have a wow factor!!!  looks like i have something else to research    i think that would just be awesome.  i really want to make something that no one else has or seen, but at somewhat of a budget.  Fab work is my favorit work and doing it myself only means parts as expenses 

[motorcitydak]

Blown70, Im not trying to call you out here or say you are wrong. I just wanted to share my experience too.

Check out the HAMB(hokey ass message board), jalopyjournal.com. There are a lot of AF/X cars on there and they will for sure be able to help you a lot with the conversion if you decide to go that way. The degree of difficulty there depends on if you want to run leaf springs front/rear or links. Based on the direction you are leaning here, I think I know the answer to that one. All I want to say is that the 'High and Mighty' did not scare the officials by doing a wheel stand on leaf springs

[Blown70]

Blown70, Im not trying to call you out here or say you are wrong. I just wanted to share my experience too.

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Did not take it that way..... Just did not know his want or level of fab expericence..... Sounds like he is really hitting the up good already.......

We 're all here to share expericence and hope to help members at least I hope, to, and you seem the same bud..

Tom

[68chargerboy]

tom its thanks to your experience i have a little bit better knowledge as to a good 4 link set up, those pics you put up before were great.  hows that build coming along?

[Blown70]

tom its thanks to your experience i have a little bit better knowledge as to a good 4 link set up, those pics you put up before were great.  hows that build coming along?

On pause till spring... shop is packed up for winter....   I just dont have much if any room to move around.  Will do a few small things, clean up get some parts together and hopefully work on the frontend......Just a lot of  to do with this one....

Thanks,  Keep going man sounds like your on your way

[68chargerboy]

ill keep you guys posted, kinda depending on two diffrent people for this deal to workout right now, the guy with the viper setup says he is going to hold it a few weeks for me until the other guy gets the cash for my bike that im selling sadly to buy the goods.  if all goes well pics will be posted with me next to the all aluminum 8.4 liter monster  hopefully around thanks giving

Zach

[motorcitydak]

Glad I could play the little devil on your shoulder on this one

[68chargerboy]

Glad I could play the little devil on your shoulder on this one

haha me too!

[68chargerboy]

whoa so the news i got to day definatley puts a change in plans.  so the motor that i was suppose to get turns out to be a gen 3 motor which only produces 510hp, still a good motor but i can build a solid stroker with way more ponies then that! so i called around to find a gen 4 motor like what i was told i could have for 8k but turns out the cheapest engine/trans combo i can find is 18K  talk about a way to bring down my day,  for that price i feel i could get an aluminum 440 block with 4.5" bores and a 4.5" crank and make a 572 for wayyyy more then 600 hp. just thought i relay the news on to you guys and let you know about my newly shed tears  , however im going to keep looking for a little while, every now and then people find deals of a lifetime, hopefully ill find one!

Zach

[greenpigs]

I wouldn't obsesse about getting an aluminum block. A good aftermarket iron block should do.

[68chargerboy]

the only reason i want aluminum is to save the weight off of the nose, but im probably just going to go with an iron block sadly, but nuthing is for certain yet

[motorcitydak]

You can just work on the other stuff while you keep looking for another v10. If not, 510 is not bad. What are the differences in the gen 3 motor? Can you just swap a few things around from another gen to get that power? Like the computer, heads, intake, exhaust?

[Blown70]

I have to believe that like MCD said why cannot you boost the HP on the 510 or second gen?  There has to be some resonable upgrades for those?

I dont know if I would give up yet?

Tom

[68chargerboy]

You can just work on the other stuff while you keep looking for another v10. If not, 510 is not bad. What are the differences in the gen 3 motor? Can you just swap a few things around from another gen to get that power? Like the computer, heads, intake, exhaust?

the gen 4's have variable valve timing (VVT)  and with a simple exhaust and tuner they make over 700 crank hp  so there are little to no interchangable parts.

I have to believe that like MCD said why cannot you boost the HP on the 510 or second gen?  There has to be some resonable upgrades for those?

I dont know if I would give up yet?

Tom

no worrys i am deffinately not going to give up, im going to continue to search, im in no means a rich person so spending this type of money has to be well thought out and i want to build it right the first time so im just going to keep searching for a little while.  as for upgrading the gen 3's there is a ton of stuff you can do to these motors,  theres kits to make them over 1200hp on pump gas but all that costs a good chunk of coin, so i am going to do some math and see if it would be cheaper to upgrade a gen 3 to 600 hp or just wait it out to find a good deal on a gen 4

Zach

[68chargerboy]

this thread is not dead, just finally got the funds i needed! so i decided to go with forced induction  yesterday i ordered the 512ci stroker kit from 440source, the twin turbos, weld-up header kit and some other odds and ends and of course...my boost gauge    ill start posting pics up of the build as soon as my first parts arrive in the mail. calling comp cams today to get a custum cam ground for this setup.  very excited to get this project underway!

[Cooter]

I can only tell you what a friend did along the same lines as your build....

Take one '66 Plymouth Belv. Wagon
Add one mild 440
Add junkyard 727 with shift kit
Add 3500 Stall
Add 4.56 gear'd 8 3/4 rear
Add 250 NOS Cheater kit (used)
Go racing and run low 7's, high 6's (8th mile)

[68chargerboy]

I can only tell you what a friend did along the same lines as your build....

Take one '66 Plymouth Belv. Wagon
Add one mild 440
Add junkyard 727 with shift kit
Add 3500 Stall
Add 4.56 gear'd 8 3/4 rear
Add 250 NOS Cheater kit (used)
Go racing and run low 7's, high 6's (8th mile)

hahaha talk about a solid budget build!