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Interesting Color????

Started by CornDogsCharger, March 09, 2009, 09:48:11 PM

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xs29j8Bullitt

The 440 6BBL Superbird owned by Ken B. CLEARLY showed FK5 paint under the factory coded B5 paint documented by the fender tag & broadcast sheet.  I have wondered if some Superbirds were mistakenly painted FK5, then some corrected and others shipped as is...  :shruggy:  Ken's Superbird was formerly owned by Jeff Phillips in Missouri.

XS
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nascarxx29

I looked up the Carl Hall Centre Alabama FK5 superbird in old records its recorded as RM23UOA177577 Deep Burnt Orange.Dont know if other known FK5 cars are close to this vin give or take.Or if it was limited batch mistake on the line ??.I recall theorys as to maybe EV2 upside down mistaken for FK5.Or mistyped .Or even if FJ5 was intended and the K got typed??.Or if paint was sustituded keep the line moving .Who knows the real reason .But they exist.But how many
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

CornDogsCharger

I'm with the rest of the guys saying typo.  As stated before K and J are right next to each other on the keyboard.  I think K5 Burnt Orange looks NICE on a Bird.  But if I were ordering a new, I would have to go with the triple black.  I just love black mopars.  Heck, check out my picture to the left.  Wish I still had that car.  

Oh yeah, the project FK5 Bird that pictured... how much was he asking for it?

Justin
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nascarxx29

Im taking a guess I think it might have been $15K-
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

XS29J8

I always told Dave this Superbird reminded me of my 73 Kawasaki 900 Z1 colors of "Orange & Root Beer" here's a pic........................think HEMI Orange & Root Beer





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hemigeno

I don't have any concrete information about why at least three FK5 cars were produced, but they do exist.  If it was a keypunch error, they were consistent in both the Broadcast Sheet's Roof and Body Color boxes plus the Fender Tag, as they all show FK5.

I don't know which was created first though - the fender tag or the Broadcast Sheet.  Perhaps it was a keypunch error on whatever source document was used to create the actual factory ordering instructions that was just never caught in the review process.  From what I hear, someone was responsible for checking all the orders to make sure that the options/colors selected were "available".  Even then, there were "waiver" cars that were built as long as the dealer or customer signed off on the car.  Chrysler wasn't proud back then: If you could stand to drive a Panther Pink car with green interior, they'd probably build it.  :o   

Either the FK5 cars were deliberately spec'd that way through Document #4923 and/or the waiver form, or it's possible that a keypunch error wasn't caught by whomever was supposed to check for option availability.  About the only way to answer that question would be to talk with whomever originally ordered the car, whether that be the dealer/salesman or an owner who special-ordered one of them.  Unless the original order form was still around, there would probably still be those who would question any such recollections.  There's no doubt that whether they intended to or not, the factory sanctioned at least a few non-standard-color cars.

The Ken B. EB5/FK5 'Bird is yet another scenario though, where a car had a blatantly wrong color initially sprayed and then repainted at the factory.  I could see them doing something like that, as they weren't going to scrap a perfectly good car halfway down the assembly line.  Wonder if the error was caught while the car could still be sent through the regular hi-temp bake oven?  Lots of times a paint repair was done to cars further down the assembly line after plastic or rubber components were installed.  When that happened, the car was sent into a lower-temperature oven to partially cure the paint without melting anything non-metal.  That paint didn't seem to do as well as the initial paint job, although none of it was spectacular to start with.


:scratchchin:



rustafarian

Funny,  I was just reading about FK5 'birds yesterday on the Winged Warriors website (http://wwnboa.org/patik.htm) in the "Building a SuperBird" section:

Now is a good time to illustrate one of the assembly line problems caused by the special-ordered SuperBirds. Our tour guide through time, Engineer Gil, distinctly remembers one SuperBird that was painted a color not allowed for SuperBirds.

Every dealer announcement for the SuperBird, and every factory engineering document for the car states that it would be available in only seven colors:

Blue Fire Metallic EB5
Alpine White EW1
Vitamin "C" Orange EK2
Lemon Twist FY1
Lime Light FJ5
Tor-Red EV2
Corporate Blue 999 (Ditzler DRA 12785)
This problem car got painted FK5; that's Burnt Orange Metallic. The car went as normal through the baking oven, had it's vinyl roof installed, and had quite a few of its mechanical parts installed. Someone caught the paint error on the line in the Trim Shop. The painters had read the fender tag incorrectly, or the Production Scheduling people coded its color incorrectly, or an "illegally-ordered" color slipped through from a dealer's order.

By now the car was much too far assembled to pull it off the Trim Line, re-insert if on the Paint Line, scuff sand its new paint, reshoot it a correct color, and run it through the high heat of the baking oven. And, the car was already built in the Metal Shop as a SuperBird, so it could not easily be converted to a regular Road Runner, which did allow Burnt Orange Metallic paint. It was finally decided by Product Planning to finish building the car as a SuperBird, and send the car to Clairpointe as usual, along with a can of orange paint, and a note explaining the problem! (If the broadcast sheet and fender tag paint codes did not match the FK5 color, this car received re-issued identification). Researchers have so far found three SuperBirds painted the "impossible" FK5!

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pettybird

Quote from: hemigeno on March 11, 2009, 08:39:20 AM
I don't have any concrete information about why at least three FK5 cars were produced, but they do exist.  If it was a keypunch error, they were consistent in both the Broadcast Sheet's Roof and Body Color boxes plus the Fender Tag, as they all show FK5.
:scratchchin:


is upper/lower paint on a dealer order sheet?  at what point does the car get coded as a V01 car, at the dealer or at central?  say, i ordered a limelight car, and someone entered FK5.  who enters the roof color as well? 

pettybird

Quote from: XS29J8 on March 10, 2009, 08:38:27 PM
I always told Dave this Superbird reminded me of my 73 Kawasaki 900 Z1 colors of "Orange & Root Beer" here's a pic........................think HEMI Orange & Root Beer


i totally want a Z1 or a K1000-those are too cool. 

rustafarian

Petty Blue = Corporate Blue 999 (Ditzler DRA 12785) ??
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pettybird

Quote from: rustafarian on March 11, 2009, 01:30:42 PM
Petty Blue = Corporate Blue 999 (Ditzler DRA 12785) ??



petty blue was never used as a description...it just fits.  corporate blue is the color used on the signage at the dealers.  there's also corporate white and (for Dodge) corporate red.  chances are nothing would have been painted that color if the good 'ol boy from Level Cross came along. 

I mean, how many Ford corporate blue Mustangs or Pontiac red GTO's have you heard of?

Aero426

There is a documented Grabber Blue 69 Torino Cobra out there.