Well, I see the justice system in Canada is just as idiotic as it is in the US

[UFO]

         
Under the current system, executing a prisoner takes a hell of a lot more of our tax money than incarcerating them for life.  

I'm not interested in supporting capital punishment until that gets fixed.
 
  

How much does a bullet cost?

[bull]

         
Under the current system, executing a prisoner takes a hell of a lot more of our tax money than incarcerating them for life.   

I'm not interested in supporting capital punishment until that gets fixed.
 
   

I am. I'd gladly spend 10X the money to see people like this guy getting fried in trade for the atrocities they've committed. The peace of mind would be priceless, and we'd have a lot more room in the the prisons for those committing the lessor crimes.

[Mike DC]

 
Well I guess that's where I just differ in opinion. 


It's not the principle of execution that bothers me.  Hell, I'd probably increase the # of crimes punishable by death if I was running things.  (Bernie Madoff shouldn't still be breathing right now, for example.)

But IMHO the justice system is too phucked up & biased to be wielding that power in its current condition. 



I see a death penalty system that's not deterring crime, it's not being implemented fairly, and it's not even cheaper than locking the perps up for life.  So I don't support it right now.  Just my personal opinion.  If I thought it was doing even 1 of those 3 things tolerably well then I might change my mind.

       

[Ghoste]

Oh I agree it's not a deterrent, as I stated a while back this is mainly about revenge.  We can pretend all we want but capital punishment and most prison sentences are really about revenge.  When we let go of our hypocrisy about it being a crime deterrent and accept it as revenge, it makes it harder for some to pull the trigger and easier for others.  Me, I have no warm fuzzy feeling for this creep at all and I wouldn't need a shrink to convince me he's nuts either.  But I do feel for the victims family and in my sinful naked light of day they deserve their revenge.  Yes, vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord and it's probably a sin for me to say everything I've said but it is where my lifes experiences have drawn me.  If somebody cuts off the head of one of my children I don't care if every shrink, every holy man, every bleeding heart stray puppy loving mother in the world begs for the freaks clemency, I'd pull the trigger myself.

[bull]

 
Well I guess that's where I just differ in opinion. 

I'd like to see certain people fry too.  (Hell, I'd pull the lever for some of them.)  But IMHO the justice system is too phucked up & biased to be wielding that power. 



I see a death penalty system that's not deterring crime, it's not being implemented fairly, and it's not even cheaper than locking the perps up for life.  So I don't support it right now.  Just my personal opinion.  If I thought it was doing even 1 of those 3 things tolerably well then I might change my mind.

       

I'm not necessarily talking across the board. In horrendous cases like this one where the deed was obvious and observed by several witnesses, however, the perp should cease to remain alive. His defense has already admitted guilt by the insanity plea so everyone knows he did it.

[bull]

Oh I agree it's not a deterrent, as I stated a while back this is mainly about revenge.  We can pretend all we want but capital punishment and most prison sentences are really about revenge.  When we let go of our hypocrisy about it being a crime deterrent and accept it as revenge, it makes it harder for some to pull the trigger and easier for others.  Me, I have no warm fuzzy feeling for this creep at all and I wouldn't need a shrink to convince me he's nuts either.  But I do feel for the victims family and in my sinful naked light of day they deserve their revenge.  Yes, vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord and it's probably a sin for me to say everything I've said but it is where my lifes experiences have drawn me.  If somebody cuts off the head of one of my children I don't care if every shrink, every holy man, every bleeding heart stray puppy loving mother in the world begs for the freaks clemency, I'd pull the trigger myself.

I prefer the word justice to revenge but they're very similar in definition. Either way I'm all for it.

[Mike DC]

If somebody cuts off the head of one of my children I don't care if every shrink, every holy man, every bleeding heart stray puppy loving mother in the world begs for the freaks clemency, I'd pull the trigger myself.

Well, I think we can all drink to that one.

[Ghoste]

Thats pretty much what happened in this case though Mike.  The victim was on a bus for home, sleeping quietly when freak boy pulled out a knife and started stabbing as it was cruising down the highway.  The driver pulled the bus over and everybody got off in terror (to say the least) and freak boy commenced to cut off the poor kids head and then eat him.  He carried the head around the bus shaking it from the windows at the passengers who were there on the roadside.  There was no question of who did it or his sanity and a judge (who are unelected in Canada btw) gave him about the easiest sentence he could.  In Canada, freak boy could be back to bus riding in a very short time.


I should also make clear that none of this is meant as a disrespect to you or your opinion, it is simply that I do not agree with it in any way.

[Mike DC]

Hey, nobody wants to see people like that walking the streets again in two years.  He needed to at least spend a LONG time in some kind of institution or jail before the idea of releasing him is even discussed. 

[Magnumcharger]

And I think there is also a good argument to be made that insanity and evil are in fact the same.