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The Project '69 440-6 Pak Engine Thread

Started by bill440rt, January 11, 2009, 02:03:50 PM

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bill440rt

#25
August 05, 2009, 07:54:59 AM
This has gotta be the slowest progressing engine thread on this 'site.  :smilielol:

Well, good news! The short block is finally together and painted!  :boogie:
I've had good results from using simple Dupli-Color engine primer in the past, so I gave it one coat. I decided to paint it using Eastwood's Hemi-Orange Ceramic Engine Paint. Eastwood says it's a urethane, and it uses a hardener & reducer. Kinda smells like an acrylic enamel. It's hard to see in the photos, but the stuff has a pretty nice gloss to it.

I dropped off the Eddy heads as well, now it's time to start bolting on the good shiny stuff. Hopefully it will be off to the dyno shop in the next few weeks.
Keep ya's posted...
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

b5blue

#26
August 05, 2009, 08:09:03 AM
Looks Great Bill!!  :2thumbs:

Musicman

#27
August 05, 2009, 09:14:31 AM
Quote from: bill440rt on August 05, 2009, 07:54:59 AM

This has gotta be the slowest progressing engine thread on this 'site.  :smilielol:


What are you talking about? I started mine so long ago that I can't even find it anymore to update it  :lol:
At least it seems that way sometimes...

Looks like things are coming together nicely for you... Looking Good :2thumbs:

Keep us posted :cheers:

firefighter3931

#28
August 06, 2009, 07:06:40 AM
That looks great Bill !  :2thumbs:

Looking forward to the dyno results  ;)



Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

resq302

#30
August 07, 2009, 09:49:13 AM
Hey Bill!  Progress is always a good thing.  Better than regress.  Besides, you have your family and the other 2 cars to have fun with when you are not working on that green monster.   :2thumbs:
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

bill440rt

#31
August 12, 2009, 08:41:53 AM
OK, dropped of the intake/6-pack setup & some other parts yesterday.
Turns out, he checked the CC's on the new 84cc Eddy heads, and they measure 88. I also checked with Ben at Promax on this, he confirmed that the tolerances on these aren't the greatest. (No, they're not incorrectly boxed.  :brickwall: )
So, they will be milled down to get a better compression ratio. He needed the intake to check the angles to make sure they line up.
Hopefully we'll have some heads on soon!  :drool5:
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

b5blue

#32
August 12, 2009, 10:23:13 AM
!!!!!! How can they get away with this? Thank goodness you are checking everything Bill!  :yesnod: (I'm leaning more and more to MoPar aluminum 452's) (insert rant here)....

bill440rt

#33
August 30, 2009, 09:28:17 PM
Ahhhhhh.... the light at the end of the tunnel is visible.
Heads, intake, etc are on. The stock valvetrain was good, so most was re-used (rockers, etc).
I went over to mock up the serpentine kit to make sure everything lines up. Everything bolted on real nice, but there is a slight clearance issue with the air cleaner baseplate and the a/C compressor. We're talking about 1/4" inch or so, nothing a little trim wouldn't fix. I'll probably trim a little by the distributor just to be sure, also.

I'm only a PCV valve & grommet away from getting this to the dyno. Not sure why I forgot about those two little items, but hopefully by the end of this week or next I'll have some numbers.  :ricky:
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

bill440rt

#34
August 30, 2009, 10:10:53 PM
A few more...
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

b5blue

#35
August 30, 2009, 10:30:08 PM
Looks sweet Bill! Boy clearance is close, how are you running fuel line?  :shruggy:

Musicman

#36
August 31, 2009, 08:02:41 AM
 :2thumbs:

:popcrn: We'll be wait'n on those numbers of course...

firefighter3931

#37
September 01, 2009, 07:29:20 AM
Bill, that's looking real sharp !  :2thumbs: The billet pullies are awesome !!!  :coolgleamA:



Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

resq302

#38
September 01, 2009, 10:14:46 AM
Bill, you better keep that engine and your car inside that bubble.  Otherwise you are going to spend as much time polishing the alluminum on that engine as you are on the rest of the car. :lol:  Should look really nice with the sublime green all around it inside the bay.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Just 6T9 CHGR

#39
September 01, 2009, 06:47:47 PM
Yummy!!  :drool5:
Chris' '69 Charger R/T

TexasStroker

#40
September 01, 2009, 09:26:03 PM
I approve of the progress  :coolgleamA:
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Will set-up a regional Charger meet
Contact me for info!

bill440rt

#41
September 01, 2009, 09:38:43 PM
Quote from: resq302 on September 01, 2009, 10:14:46 AM
Bill, you better keep that engine and your car inside that bubble.  Otherwise you are going to spend as much time polishing the alluminum on that engine as you are on the rest of the car. :lol:  Should look really nice with the sublime green all around it inside the bay.


No bubble needed.  :D
I cleared most of the polished stuff with this: http://www.eastwood.com/ew-extreme-diamond-clear-8-oz.html
This stuff is friggin' expensive, but worth it. This stuff you spray out of a small touch up gun. Their aerosol clear was garbage, this stuff is great. I even brushed it on the intake, it flows out & is invisible. Good to 600 degrees, or so they say. I left the valve covers, A/C compressor, and alternator alone, those are easy enough to polish.

I should have my pcv & grommet by tomorrow.
Stay tuned...
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

bill440rt

#42
October 02, 2009, 06:11:05 PM
Well, today was the day!! The engine was fired for the first time on the dyno. I'll just get right to the numbers. Peak horsepower was 518, peak torque was 572 on another pull. I was very pleased.

A few problems here & there, but overall the engine performed very well. I should have it back at the house early next week. Wrenches will soon be flying. Any helpers available? I have a fridge full of beer if that entices anyone.  :drool5: :D

Quick question: I found out the hard way that there is no heat crossover for a choke with the Edelbrock RPM heads. What should I do for a choke? Promax stated they simply don't run a choke & remove the center carb butterfly. I'd like to run one if possible.
Any suggestions?
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

b5blue

#43
October 02, 2009, 06:24:48 PM
Bill I believe there is a manual choke conversion for Holley 2300 carbs. Congratulations on some strong numbers I new you would do great  :cheers: If I was up there I'd help beer or no!   

firefighter3931

#44
October 02, 2009, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: bill440rt on October 02, 2009, 06:11:05 PM
Well, today was the day!! The engine was fired for the first time on the dyno. I'll just get right to the numbers. Peak horsepower was 518, peak torque was 572 on another pull. I was very pleased.

A few problems here & there, but overall the engine performed very well. I should have it back at the house early next week. Wrenches will soon be flying. Any helpers available? I have a fridge full of beer if that entices anyone.  :drool5: :D

Quick question: I found out the hard way that there is no heat crossover for a choke with the Edelbrock RPM heads. What should I do for a choke? Promax stated they simply don't run a choke & remove the center carb butterfly. I'd like to run one if possible.
Any suggestions?


Congrats Bill....those are excellent power numbers. That VooDoo cam really delivers huh ?  :cheers:

You have to be really pleased given how mild the build is....should make for an awesome cruiser with the OD transmission.  :icon_smile_big:

As for the choke....like Neal mentioned you can go with a manual choke but my guess is that once the engine is in the car you won't need it. Once you feather the throttle and let it warm up for a minute the engine will settle into a nice idle. The dyno has a constant supply of cool water so it's often difficult to get them up to temp quickly. In a closed system like you'll have in the car that just recirculates warm coolant the engine will come up to operating temp much quicker. I wouldn't worry too much about the choke until you get it into the car and try it out.

Post the dyno sheets when you get a chance, please.  ;)



Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

bill440rt

#45
October 02, 2009, 11:31:36 PM
I can't thank you enough for your help & advice throughout this build, Ron.  :cheers:  I'm EXTREMELY pleased with those numbers, especially since it has basic 6-pack rods & stock rockers in it. I know I'm not out of the woods yet, though.

As for the choke, I'll wait until it's in the car like you suggest. I did look into some of the manual choke setups offered by Summit. That was a great tip, Neal.  :2thumbs:    I have to call Summit & Holley back on Monday to see if it will work with the center 6-pack carb, which by the way Summit says is NOT a Holley 2300?? I just want to cover my bases just in case I need to install one.
In the meantime, should I remove the center carb butterfly? When the engine shuts off the butterfly stays shut. We needed to zip-tie it open just so the engine would get max carb flow during the testing.

BTW, attached is screen shot of one of the pulls. This one had the peak horsepower, at 5500rpm. We didn't want to push the engine any higher, but the HP was still pulling and it wanted to go even more. I had to call Keisler today just to make sure the Stage 2 trans kit will handle this, they assured me it will.
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

firefighter3931

#46
October 03, 2009, 12:17:57 AM
You're welcome Bill....allways glad to help out with an engine combination.  :icon_smile_big:

For now just zip tie the choke plate until you decide what to do. My guess is that you'll be removing it.  ;)

As for RPM....i'd throw a 5800 chip in the 6AL box and call it good. Hyd lifters and high rpm don't mix....you want to avoid lifter pump-up and valve float.  :yesnod:

Looking at your water temps (140*) on the screen it's easy to see why the engine was acting cold blooded.....there's not much chance it'll maintain those temps at WOT in the car. Once you get it installed between the fenders with a 180* thermostat it will warm up and run/idle better.  :2thumbs:


Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

Just 6T9 CHGR

#47
October 03, 2009, 06:05:23 AM
Congrats Bill!  :cheers:
Chris' '69 Charger R/T

Charger-Bodie

#48
October 03, 2009, 06:56:21 AM
WOW Bill !!! That some great stuff! You are gonna have a blast wheeling that unit around.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

Musicman

#49
October 03, 2009, 07:07:27 AM
 :boogie: :boogie: :boogie:CONGRATULATIONS BILL :boogie: :boogie: :boogie:



Time, work, and patience has finally paid off  :2thumbs:
Very Impressive Numbers :thumbs:  You should be real happy :icon_smile_big:

Well, that's another one for the Proven Engine Builds :yesnod:

Mike

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