Looks like new AMD quarters are working out at MCR

[Mopar2Ya]

No bashing from me. I just want as much info/pics as possible, to help my decisions. 

[69chargerR/T]

I thought or read some where that they don't go in to the door jam because they can't recreate the factory spot welds ( or look of ) the factory door jam. If it's going to be a show winning car I think the judge's can tell that the quarter has been replaced by looking at the door jam area.   

[hemi-hampton]

I was just going to say what 69charger r/t said. I can usually tell a replaced 1/4 by the seam area. Also though, That resto shop has always done there 1/4 replacements that way. My Question is, it may have been neccesary to do it that way on the cheap aftermarket sherman 1/4's to get them to fit & look right, but would it still be neccessary to still do it this way on the newer better fitting 1/4's? I would guess not but cant answer that without trying a new pair. Could just be old habits & new methods just hard to change in my opinion. LEON.

[nitrousn]

Lets not turn this in to a pissing match again!

I dont see where anything was said that makes it seem like a pissing match. I made observations and comments.

Tell me what hands on experience you have ordering, buying and installing either AMD or CBD full quarters. If you dont than maybe you should reserve the pissing match comment.

[WingCharger]

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[suntech]

I thought or read some where that they don't go in to the door jam because they can't recreate the factory spot welds ( or look of ) the factory door jam. If it's going to be a show winning car I think the judge's can tell that the quarter has been replaced by looking at the door jam area.

I think i have heard the same. I would have been pissed though, if they did it that way with my car. But i am not in to that 100% original deal, so that is just me!! What i dont like, is with a weld there thye put it, must be hard to get acsess to the backside of the weld, and make it nice. Would also think it would be possible to reproduce the factory look, with a little creativity!! I mean, the welds does not need to be where they appear to be

[tan top]

I was just going to say what 69charger r/t said. I can usually tell a replaced 1/4 by the seam area. Also though, That resto shop has always done there 1/4 replacements that way. My Question is, it may have been neccesary to do it that way on the cheap aftermarket sherman 1/4's to get them to fit & look right, but would it still be neccessary to still do it this way on the newer better fitting 1/4's? I would guess not but cant answer that without trying a new pair. Could just be old habits & new methods just hard to change in my opinion. LEON.

yep your right   we won't know exactly whats going on with these quarters , until we fit them our selves , then we can figure out whats going on  

[suntech]

Tell me what hands on experience you have ordering, buying and installing either AMD or CBD full quarters. If you dont than maybe you should reserve the pissing match comment.

Had nothing but good experiance with AMD ordering, and recieving the parts. They gave me update on the timeframe, stacked my stuff in a corner of their warehouse, as it came in, and when i was in the US, to pack the container with car and parts, they shipped to the agreed adress at the agreed time!! Easy as that. As for fitment, i have made no comment yet, besause i have´nt started bodywork yet. Container has not arrived Norway yet.
The comments i have made, is about people that is bashing the AMD (or CBD!!!)  products, without having first hand experiance. 

[Charger-Bodie]

I was just going to say what 69charger r/t said. I can usually tell a replaced 1/4 by the seam area. Also though, That resto shop has always done there 1/4 replacements that way. My Question is, it may have been neccesary to do it that way on the cheap aftermarket sherman 1/4's to get them to fit & look right, but would it still be neccessary to still do it this way on the newer better fitting 1/4's? I would guess not but cant answer that without trying a new pair. Could just be old habits & new methods just hard to change in my opinion. LEON.

yep your right   we won't know exactly whats going on with these quarters , until we fit them our selves , then we can figure out whats going on  

Bingo!!

[hemi-hampton]

I believe what DodgeDon say's, I'll take his word for it that the CBD's fit good. It would also make sense that the inner wheel wells would be your only problem with these as those are always giving me a Problem. Reminds me of the time I was working at one place & the boss had me putting a 1/4 on this texas millionaires 71 GTO Judge convertible a few years ago. The car was a basket case & he still paid a few hundred thou saying it was a half million $$ car when done. Car had to be perfect 100point car. The guy buys a mint $20,000 lemans or temptest for a parts car for it. Boss has me putting on $3,000 NOS 1/4's but then buys those cheap sherman inner wheel wells. Cheap Sherman & NOS does not fit together to well. Anybody doing resto's can tell you that. I had to cut & modify these inner wheels to fit properly & the boss got all upset, he could not understand why they just did not fit better as is, I said because they are cheap sherman thats why, This stupid ass thats been doing restos for 20 years say's yeah, so what, I then say sherman sucks. He say's they should fit good. nothing wrong with those sherman. I scratched my head wondering how long he's been doing resto's if he is not aware of how crappy the cheap aftermarket fits.  Sorry for the rant. LEON.

[Dodge Don]

The preservation of the factory door seam sounds plausible.

[Back N Black]

I thought or read some where that they don't go in to the door jam because they can't recreate the factory spot welds ( or look of ) the factory door jam. If it's going to be a show winning car I think the judge's can tell that the quarter has been replaced by looking at the door jam area.   

So, are people trying to pass of aftermarket quarters for originals by leaving the original door seem? 

[69chargerR/T]

 

So, are people trying to pass of aftermarket quarters for originals by leaving the original door seem? 
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Yes, and so the car is 100 point correct for car shows.

[suntech]

So, are people trying to pass of aftermarket quarters for originals by leaving the original door seem?  

I dont really think so, i think it is more that they feel it is less work to do like this, rather than refabricate the original look of the spotwelds etc.
I have no idea how they give points in a show, with stuff like that, but if it was me, i would rather make some tooling to make/knock some fake spotwelds, and hide the real ones, since i would hate to have that weld there!

Edit:

Yes, and so the car is 100 point correct for car shows.

Do you mean that judges are not looking inside, to see how things are done?? That makes the whole "100 point" thing just a joke, right??
Ohwell..... i am happy i am not in to that stuff!!

[NorwayCharger]

I thought or read some where that they don't go in to the door jam because they can't recreate the factory spot welds ( or look of ) the factory door jam. If it's going to be a show winning car I think the judge's can tell that the quarter has been replaced by looking at the door jam area.   

, that was the other thing i thought....
I will be fitting new quarters and roof skin++ on my Charger, but not until l get my shop up and running.
The car will sit on a jig and be 100% before i begin fitting the panels.
I will make a full review with pic´s....
I also have full spot welder equipment with a lot of different gun adapters.
When i welded new trunk floors in i spot welded almost all.
The latest spot welders are inverter technology with 14000 A welding power, can weld almost 1/2 inch of steel
One other great thing about spot welding is better rust protection.
You prime the steel first with a special weld primer. when the gun squeezes the steel together the primer capsule around the weld.

I am not into all that judge/original thing, but better welds..
 

[dkn1997]

Evidently, the CBD quarters are not without their own issues. This was posted by Killerbee70 over at moparts. He's restoring a 2nd gen charger. To be fair, he had small issued with some AMD stuff he used also.  What's interiesting is that CBD has a bit of a body line issue as was previousely noticed early in this thread.

UPDATE !!!
OK,I have removed and cleaned up the opening for the right 1/4 panel. I test hung the new 1/4 from Classic Body Designs. First impressions:
The overall fit is pretty good.The 1/4 extension "boomerang" fits well.The panel fit onto the car without any bending or prying.The little hidden flanges etc are all there and look correct.The holes for the window fuzzy and clip holes for the belt moulding all are accurate and nicely stamped. But the panel does have some issues:
1.the door and trunk openings are a little soft on the folds,and don't have nice even gaps.They tend to wave in and out somewhat.This is workable,but a little disappointing.
2.the center body line does not match up to the door.The top line and lower line do.Looking down the 1/4 I can see the center body line waves up and down a little,and then dives down at the front about 18 " or so back from the door,ending up about 1/2" below the door's line.That was a disappointment.And yes,the doors were aligned to the OEM quarter before it was removed.
3. The 1/4's arrive bare metal with a very meager oily film.Shipping in the winter across the country left me with panels covered in surface rust on both sides.This is not really a fault of the panel,but does create more work to prep.
4. The side marker lamp opening is not accurate.In fact it is not even as rectangular as it should be.It is wider at one end than the other.I test fit the original marker lamp,and it fits great in the original 1/4 panel,but fits loose and crooked in the CBD 1/4.Both left and right panels have this problem.More disappointment
5.The wheel opening contour is suspect as well.Yes,this right wheelhouse I am fitting to does have some minor damage,however it fit the previous 1/4 fairly well.
6.The right 1/4 has reasonably well trimmed edges,but the left one has wide,uneven flanges that will need trimming all around the panel.
7.the "ducktail" spoiler at the topr rear of the 1/4 is not curved properly and does not match up to the trunklid.The trunklid is mint-bare metal.
8.the holes for the "boomerang" 1/4 extension are misplace by about 1/8".I know that does not sound like much,but it does affect the extension fit.
9.The transition between the wheel opening and the rocker area is too sharp.The original panel has a soft radius,where the CBD panel has a sharper curve.
10.the curve at the spot where the vinyl roof "check mark" moulding makes the sharp turn is not quite right and makes the panel stick up above the trunklid surface there.
11.The wheel opening to top of 1/4 is about 1/4"greater than on the original panel.This is why the wheelwell and new 1/4 don't fit together well.
Almost all of these discrepencies are correctable,but for the price of these CBD 1/4 panels,should we have to do this much to them to make them fit?
Overall,a fairly decent reproduction part,but at 3-4 times the cost of and AMD panel......
I sure wish I had an AMD panel sitting here right now to do a true comparison.
I am still thrilled that a full 1/4 is available though,and it does make the rough cars saveable.

on the same thread, another member installed AMD on a 70 charger.  Some issues here too:

We fit the 70 Charger AMD quarters and sailpanel yesterday.They are beautiful basically an OEM panel.The only issues I see are a slight wave on the inner sail panel and the right qtr has a very faint pressmark....primer will hide it.Deck lid and door gaps are mint.....we had to play with the left side a bit as this Charger had been popped in the L/rear sometime in the past.Still have to check the fit of the rear window trim .I'll take a bunch of pics tomorrow when I return to work but overall my metal guy is ecstatic....no more long butt welds...thin panels etc etc.I checked the sail panel width out...uninstalled it was 1/4" shorter than the original piece but everything pulled together with no gaps.I had a customer in yesterday who owns a 69 Charger R/T with the old 3/4 Quarters that he installed 5 years ago...he is now planning a freshening up this year with the AMD Quarters.

Seems like neither choice will put you that far ahead of the other as far as fit or quality

I will throw my 2cents in here.  I had to get a hood and fender for my charger after a wreck recently.  I used AMD and my bodyshop is very impressed with the parts. They are on the car and fit nice.  I called CBD to see if they had these parts before I purchased anything.  I think I was calling someone's house and a woman told me that someone would call me back to answer my questions.  No call back.  I waited a week and then ordered the AMD sheetmetal. I'm happy I did.

[69chargerR/T]

Edit:

Yes, and so the car is 100 point correct for car shows.

Do you mean that judges are not looking inside, to see how things are done?? That makes the whole "100 point" thing just a joke, right??
Ohwell..... i am happy i am not in to that stuff!!

The 100 point thing, is just a term I've heard and read about ( car has 100 point restoration ). Some people want there car 100% correct, the way they came from the factory. I'm not sure, but thats the only thing I can think of why they keep the oe spot welds ( or seam ) in the door jam I could be wrong, just guessing I don't care about that stuff either, I'm  going to do my car the way I what it But some guys do alot of extra work and $$$ to have there car 100% the way the car rolled out of the factory, so when they enter car shows the car is 100% correct

[Dodge Don]

Evidently, the CBD quarters are not without their own issues. This was posted by Killerbee70 over at moparts. He's restoring a 2nd gen charger. To be fair, he had small issued with some AMD stuff he used also.  What's interiesting is that CBD has a bit of a body line issue as was previousely noticed early in this thread.

UPDATE !!!
OK,I have removed and cleaned up the opening for the right 1/4 panel. I test hung the new 1/4 from Classic Body Designs. First impressions:
The overall fit is pretty good.The 1/4 extension "boomerang" fits well.The panel fit onto the car without any bending or prying.The little hidden flanges etc are all there and look correct.The holes for the window fuzzy and clip holes for the belt moulding all are accurate and nicely stamped. But the panel does have some issues:
1.the door and trunk openings are a little soft on the folds,and don't have nice even gaps.They tend to wave in and out somewhat.This is workable,but a little disappointing.
2.the center body line does not match up to the door.The top line and lower line do.Looking down the 1/4 I can see the center body line waves up and down a little,and then dives down at the front about 18 " or so back from the door,ending up about 1/2" below the door's line.That was a disappointment.And yes,the doors were aligned to the OEM quarter before it was removed.
3. The 1/4's arrive bare metal with a very meager oily film.Shipping in the winter across the country left me with panels covered in surface rust on both sides.This is not really a fault of the panel,but does create more work to prep.
4. The side marker lamp opening is not accurate.In fact it is not even as rectangular as it should be.It is wider at one end than the other.I test fit the original marker lamp,and it fits great in the original 1/4 panel,but fits loose and crooked in the CBD 1/4.Both left and right panels have this problem.More disappointment
5.The wheel opening contour is suspect as well.Yes,this right wheelhouse I am fitting to does have some minor damage,however it fit the previous 1/4 fairly well.
6.The right 1/4 has reasonably well trimmed edges,but the left one has wide,uneven flanges that will need trimming all around the panel.
7.the "ducktail" spoiler at the topr rear of the 1/4 is not curved properly and does not match up to the trunklid.The trunklid is mint-bare metal.
8.the holes for the "boomerang" 1/4 extension are misplace by about 1/8".I know that does not sound like much,but it does affect the extension fit.
9.The transition between the wheel opening and the rocker area is too sharp.The original panel has a soft radius,where the CBD panel has a sharper curve.
10.the curve at the spot where the vinyl roof "check mark" moulding makes the sharp turn is not quite right and makes the panel stick up above the trunklid surface there.
11.The wheel opening to top of 1/4 is about 1/4"greater than on the original panel.This is why the wheelwell and new 1/4 don't fit together well.
Almost all of these discrepencies are correctable,but for the price of these CBD 1/4 panels,should we have to do this much to them to make them fit?
Overall,a fairly decent reproduction part,but at 3-4 times the cost of and AMD panel......
I sure wish I had an AMD panel sitting here right now to do a true comparison.
I am still thrilled that a full 1/4 is available though,and it does make the rough cars saveable.

That was the list I checked with my shop on. Maybe the 69 quarters have issues 

[nitrousn]

Evidently, the CBD quarters are not without their own issues. This was posted by Killerbee70 over at moparts. He's restoring a 2nd gen charger. To be fair, he had small issued with some AMD stuff he used also.  What's interiesting is that CBD has a bit of a body line issue as was previousely noticed early in this thread.

UPDATE !!!
OK,I have removed and cleaned up the opening for the right 1/4 panel. I test hung the new 1/4 from Classic Body Designs. First impressions:
The overall fit is pretty good.The 1/4 extension "boomerang" fits well.The panel fit onto the car without any bending or prying.The little hidden flanges etc are all there and look correct.The holes for the window fuzzy and clip holes for the belt moulding all are accurate and nicely stamped. But the panel does have some issues:
1.the door and trunk openings are a little soft on the folds,and don't have nice even gaps.They tend to wave in and out somewhat.This is workable,but a little disappointing.
2.the center body line does not match up to the door.The top line and lower line do.Looking down the 1/4 I can see the center body line waves up and down a little,and then dives down at the front about 18 " or so back from the door,ending up about 1/2" below the door's line.That was a disappointment.And yes,the doors were aligned to the OEM quarter before it was removed.
3. The 1/4's arrive bare metal with a very meager oily film.Shipping in the winter across the country left me with panels covered in surface rust on both sides.This is not really a fault of the panel,but does create more work to prep.
4. The side marker lamp opening is not accurate.In fact it is not even as rectangular as it should be.It is wider at one end than the other.I test fit the original marker lamp,and it fits great in the original 1/4 panel,but fits loose and crooked in the CBD 1/4.Both left and right panels have this problem.More disappointment
5.The wheel opening contour is suspect as well.Yes,this right wheelhouse I am fitting to does have some minor damage,however it fit the previous 1/4 fairly well.
6.The right 1/4 has reasonably well trimmed edges,but the left one has wide,uneven flanges that will need trimming all around the panel.
7.the "ducktail" spoiler at the topr rear of the 1/4 is not curved properly and does not match up to the trunklid.The trunklid is mint-bare metal.
8.the holes for the "boomerang" 1/4 extension are misplace by about 1/8".I know that does not sound like much,but it does affect the extension fit.
9.The transition between the wheel opening and the rocker area is too sharp.The original panel has a soft radius,where the CBD panel has a sharper curve.
10.the curve at the spot where the vinyl roof "check mark" moulding makes the sharp turn is not quite right and makes the panel stick up above the trunklid surface there.
11.The wheel opening to top of 1/4 is about 1/4"greater than on the original panel.This is why the wheelwell and new 1/4 don't fit together well.
Almost all of these discrepencies are correctable,but for the price of these CBD 1/4 panels,should we have to do this much to them to make them fit?
Overall,a fairly decent reproduction part,but at 3-4 times the cost of and AMD panel......
I sure wish I had an AMD panel sitting here right now to do a true comparison.
I am still thrilled that a full 1/4 is available though,and it does make the rough cars saveable.

That was the list I checked with my shop on. Maybe the 69 quarters have issues 

My 69 CBD panelsare fine. The trial fit we thought things were not right but we did a better spot weld clean up and some trimming to get them in the right place. Then everything lined up just fine.

[Old Moparz]

If it matters to anyone at all, I recently saw an ad for the CBD 1/4's for $800 each. I think it was an end of year clearance, but that price is right in line with what more people would spend than the original list price that shocked everyone.

I don't recall where I saw the ad though.   

[Mopar2Ya]

If it matters to anyone at all, I recently saw an ad for the CBD 1/4's for $800 each. I think it was an end of year clearance, but that price is right in line with what more people would spend than the original list price that shocked everyone.

I don't recall where I saw the ad though.   

Hmmm... if you remember let us know. I've seen them for $999. http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,51608.0.html
I may need them in the coming months. What are other good Mopar forums besides moparts & c-c?

[Dodge Don]

If it matters to anyone at all, I recently saw an ad for the CBD 1/4's for $800 each. I think it was an end of year clearance, but that price is right in line with what more people would spend than the original list price that shocked everyone.

I don't recall where I saw the ad though.   

Hmmm... if you remember let us know. I've seen them for $999. http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,51608.0.html
I may need them in the coming months. What are other good Mopar forums besides moparts & c-c?

Well if you have a 70 Charger......http://1970chargerregistry.com/70messageboard/index.php

[Mopar2Ya]

Well if you have a 70 Charger......http://1970chargerregistry.com/70messageboard/index.php

:2thumbs:Yup, I'm there as Mopar2Ya. I haven't been posting much, getting ready to start my car all over again!

[dodgecharger-fan]

Cheap Sherman & NOS does not fit together to well. Anybody doing resto's can tell you that. I had to cut & modify these inner wheels to fit properly & the boss got all upset, he could not understand why they just did not fit better as is, I said because they are cheap sherman thats why, This stupid ass thats been doing restos for 20 years say's yeah, so what, I then say sherman sucks. He say's they should fit good. nothing wrong with those sherman. I scratched my head wondering how long he's been doing resto's if he is not aware of how crappy the cheap aftermarket fits.  Sorry for the rant. LEON.

No problem with the rant - those inner wheel wells do not fit the Charger very well at all - but here's the real reason why: They fit a Coronet perfectly - which is why they sell them as B-Body inner wheel wells. The Charger quarter panel has a little bit different shape and thus needs a long pie cut taken out of the inner wheel house to make them fit right.

I'm not defending (or knocking) Sherman - I've used some of their stuff. I just wanted to shed a little light on the subject of those inner wheel wells. I learned about that problem early on in my research for parts for my resto...

[hemi-hampton]

Here's some more light shedding on sherman. If you have there Catalog, You'll notice alot of there part#'s are the same for 5 different cars. The wheel well if I remember right is the same for all or most of the b-bodies meaning one size fits all. The coronet 1/4s bulge way out on body line while the Charger does not. From my Experiance they do not fit the Coronet at all without heavy modifying. LEON.