Wikipedia Charger Errors: Should We Edit?

[Brock Samson]

                             http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Charger_(B-body)

  subjective opinions  include:

" The name is generally associated with a performance model in the Dodge range (designed off the Ford Shelby Cobra Concept);"

                             "In 1964, when the Pontiac GTO started the American muscle car era"

"In the 1970 Nascar season it was the 1970 Charger that tallied up more wins (10) than any other car....including the notorious 69 Dodge Charger Daytonas and Plymouth Superbirds, giving Bobby Isaac the Grand National Championship. Lower sales, higher performance and more options has made the '70 Charger the most collectible of the 2nd generation Chargers."

clunky structure and word usage

I think we should take some time and either edit htis or come up with a totally revised effort.


Anyone else agree?..

[SFRT]

just change it...you where an editor right?

[41husk]

Just leave it, it will be our secret

[WingCharger]

Fix it man! When I was 12 and 13, I got a lot of info from Wikipedia, and it really got me researching into Mopars. It would really help a person who has a interest in these cars, but has noidea where to get info.

[SFRT]

is it true the wing car fender scoops reduce drag 3% ?

[Dodge Don]

                             http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Charger_(B-body)

  "In the 1970 Nascar season it was the 1970 Charger that tallied up more wins (10) than any other car....including the notorious 69 Dodge Charger Daytonas and Plymouth Superbirds, giving Bobby Isaac the Grand National Championship. Lower sales, higher performance and more options has made the '70 Charger the most collectible of the 2nd generation Chargers."

The NASCAR stuff is true. The 70 Charger kicked the Daytona's hindquarters by winning more Nascar races than the aero cars combined. Sorry, but it is in the record books.

[Joshua]

Fix it man! When I was 12 and 13, I got a lot of info from Wikipedia, and it really got me researching into Mopars. It would really help a person who has a interest in these cars, but has noidea where to get info.

Hahaha.....you must be young, Wikipedia ain't been around long....
What in the world did kids do before the internet?

I would think that the fender scoops ADD drag.....they were there for tire clearance......

As for editing Wikipedia......so what? Can't anyone go and edit it back?

[Chris G.]

I think we should take some time and either edit htis or come up with a totally revised effort.

Anyone else agree?..

When you say WE should do something, do you really mean someone else other than YOU?

Let's hear your version of how it should appear. I would love to read it...doubt it will happen, but I would love to read it. 

[Brock Samson]

No, im not an expert but i think between us first, second, third, fourth -  etc. fans - we gotta be able to do justice to the marque. 

[Arthu®]

Fix it man! When I was 12 and 13, I got a lot of info from Wikipedia, and it really got me researching into Mopars. It would really help a person who has a interest in these cars, but has noidea where to get info.

Hahaha.....you must be young, Wikipedia ain't been around long....
What in the world did kids do before the internet?

I would think that the fender scoops ADD drag.....they were there for tire clearance......

As for editing Wikipedia......so what? Can't anyone go and edit it back?

I am no expert on the subject at all, but I would think that the fender scoops are there to release the air that's kept under the fender, reducing the air under the fender and thereby making it more stable at high speed.

Arthur

[Chris G.]

No, im not an expert but i think between us first, second, third, fourth -  etc. fans - we gotta be able to do justice to the marque. 

Well, you specifically quoted this part:
"In the 1970 Nascar season it was the 1970 Charger that tallied up more wins (10) than any other car....including the notorious 69 Dodge Charger Daytonas and Plymouth Superbirds, giving Bobby Isaac the Grand National Championship. Lower sales, higher performance and more options has made the '70 Charger the most collectible of the 2nd generation Chargers."

clunky structure and word usage

Un-Clunk the words (as you say) and let's hear your version...or better yet, do justice to it. 

[TK73]

               
"In 1964, when the Pontiac GTO started the American muscle car era"

What is wrong with this??  It has been generally accepted auto history for decades... or do you mean to do the Marque justice by changing Pontiac history?

[69CoronetRT]

               
"In 1964, when the Pontiac GTO started the American muscle car era"

What is wrong with this??  It has been generally accepted auto history for decades... or do you mean to do the Marque justice by changing Pontiac history?

I'm sorry but it hasn't been generally accepted for decades, except by magazines and Pontiac fans, as there is no finite definition of a 'muscle car'. Until someone defines a muscle car, there can be no 'first' or one car that started it all. There was an evolution to performance cars. 'Muscle cars' just didn't magically appear with the debut of the GTO.

[Brock Samson]

OK, i was just wanting to get folks opinion, I thought perhaps few if any would care, it just seemed we could do better,..

  "I" can't even say '69s are "my" field of expertise, since I have probably forgotten most of what i thought was true.
I'm constantly learning here, today in fact, I received the Shift knob I purchased for the set screw a small part i have been searching for for several years now,.. turns out the set screw is different between '68 and '69, as i found out, as the knob is conciderably different.

That particular Paragraph wasn't particularly "clunky", several others are however.

And TK, some - such as I, feel the 1956 Chrysler 300 with three hundred H.P. or the Plymouth Fury also in '56 was the beginning of the Muscle car. seven years prior to the Pontiac Option package on the Le Mans.

I just think we could do better.  It might take some time and effort, I'd be willing to try.

[69CoronetRT]

No, im not an expert but i think between us first, second, third, fourth -  etc. fans - we gotta be able to do justice to the marque. 

Well, you specifically quoted this part:
"In the 1970 Nascar season it was the 1970 Charger that tallied up more wins (10) than any other car....including the notorious 69 Dodge Charger Daytonas and Plymouth Superbirds, giving Bobby Isaac the Grand National Championship. Lower sales, higher performance and more options has made the '70 Charger the most collectible of the 2nd generation Chargers."

clunky structure and word usage

Un-Clunk the words (as you say) and let's hear your version...or better yet, do justice to it. 

The 1970 Charger tallied more wins (10) during the 1970 NASCAR season than the notorious '69 Dodge Charger Daytonas and '70 Plymouth Superbirds propelling driver Bobby Isacc to the Grand National Championship.

[SFRT]

'9 out of 10 docors agree that driving a 1st,2nd or 3rd generation Dodge Charger increases potency, stamina and regrows hair follicles'

[John_Kunkel]

The claim that the GTO was the first muscle car is based on the belief that the definition of a muscle car is:

A midsized car with a larger than normal engine

The car must be "badged" (save the steeeeenking badges remarks)

The badging is part of a "package"

Since not all agree and nobody can say with certainty what the definition is, the point is moot.

[Brock Samson]

"Despite the Chargers' NASCAR racing success of 1966, sales slipped by half. In 1967 only 15,788 Chargers were sold. The Chargers faced competition from the Trans-Am Series, the Ford Mustang and the just introduced Chevrolet Camaro. Dodge decided that a major redesign was in order, rather than a minor face-lift."
  that hardly explains what actually happened.. 

neither does this:

"It was clear after the sales drop of the 1967 Charger that a restyle was in order. Dodge was going to restyle their entire B-body lineup for 1968 and decided that it was time to separate the Coronet and Charger models even further. "

"The SE added leather inserts to the front seats only, chrome rocker moldings, a wood grain steering wheel and wood grain inserts on the instrument panel."

"The Charger 500 had 500 made but only 392 were bought for street use. The rest were bought by racers and gutted, stripped, modified and repainted. 67 Charger 500s were 426 Hemis and 27 were 4-Speeds, 40 were Torqueflites"
are these numbers correct?..   

"The Charger Daytona's wing also helped out in an unintended way, by giving the car directional stability as well.:
I read the wing supports were purposly designed to add directional stability by being wing shaped...

   This entire paragraph is misleading:
"The Charger Daytona introduced to the public had a fiberglass nose without real headlamps and a wing without streamlined fairings. The media and public loved the car, but were mystified by the reverse scoops on the front fenders. The PR representatives claimed it was for tire clearance. Actually, they reduced drag 3%."

well the press intro car did but the nose was metal and the wing was a production wing, but the paragraph reads like the DAYTONA didn't have working headlights or a metal nose...
No mention of the A-pillar farings in  either the 500 or DAYTONA discriptions...






 
     

[pettyfan43]

No, im not an expert but i think between us first, second, third, fourth -  etc. fans - we gotta be able to do justice to the marque. 

Well, you specifically quoted this part:
"In the 1970 Nascar season it was the 1970 Charger that tallied up more wins (10) than any other car....including the notorious 69 Dodge Charger Daytonas and Plymouth Superbirds, giving Bobby Isaac the Grand National Championship. Lower sales, higher performance and more options has made the '70 Charger the most collectible of the 2nd generation Chargers."

clunky structure and word usage

Un-Clunk the words (as you say) and let's hear your version...or better yet, do justice to it. 

The 1970 Charger tallied more wins (10) during the 1970 NASCAR season than the notorious '69 Dodge Charger Daytonas and '70 Plymouth Superbirds propelling driver Bobby Isacc to the Grand National Championship.

Bobby Isaac raced the 70 Charger as well as the Charger 500.  The car that actually won the most races between 69 and 70 was the Charger 500.
Most of the races you see credited to the "69 Dodge" were the 500.

The little car that couldn't, actually DID.

[BigRed66]

I would absolutely edit it if there are any discrepancies or untruths. That's the whole point of Wikipedia.

I edit shit in there all the time if I see something.

Because I know it all, I feel it is my duty to impart said wisdom on the uneducated, fat-fingered, slovenly, unwashed masses. 

Change it.

[BigRed66]

             

[69_500]

"The Charger 500 had 500 made but only 392 were bought for street use. The rest were bought by racers and gutted, stripped, modified and repainted. 67 Charger 500s were 426 Hemis and 27 were 4-Speeds, 40 were Torqueflites"
are these numbers correct?..   

Those numbers are partially correct or should I say accepted. 392 is the supposed production figure. But in no way shape or form were the rest of the 108 used for racing. I can't confirm how many HEMI 500's there are, but I know for sure that there are at least 83 HEMI 500's, the number I've always heard is that there were 112 total produced.

[SFRT]

I was thinking about that musclecar definition....

I think:

produced between 1965-1974
American Brand ( or its foriegn subsidiary, like in Australia) and 'American feeling'...no European cars !
2 door
mid to full size
V-8 engine
'high performance' factory features and styling emphasis on 'performance' not 'comfort'
marketed to young men
used in some sort of motorsports like track or drag racing by 'professional' drivers as part of the marketing of the line.

[Ghoste]

I'm still trying to figure out how Wikipedia became such a generally accepted and reliable source of information.

[G-man]

As far as I know, the 1963 Corvette Stingray is definatelly a muscle car. So 1964 is already out the window. I never look at tha encyclopedia cause u get funny numbers all the time.

In general... its a piece of metal with wheels under it, whocares whether theres 50 or 100 hemis etc etc. Better things to spend your time on.