440source.com 440>528 stroker kit. GOOD???

[Tarzan]

I have now decided to stroke my 440 block.

Thinking about getting the  440 source 440>528 stroker kit.

Is this any good? It cost 1800 dollar balanced.

What do you guys think?

Is it to big for my 440 block. Any problems? Too much horsepower for my block?


Hope to get some good advice, because im thinking about getting it next week.

[Tarzan]

Which one would fit/work for my block??? Using it for street only but I want LOTS of horsepowers. How much is normal with a kit like this?



440 >> 528. (4.375" stroke/7.100" rod) Stroker Kits Available:
Bore Size:    Dish (-) or  Dome (+) CC's    Compression Height:    Distance Below Deck:    65CC    72CC    75CC    78CC    84CC    86CC    88CC    Kit Part#:
4.375"
(.055 over)    -24
(Dish)    1.417"    -.015"    11.52    10.85    10.59    10.34    9.88    9.73    9.59    440.528.5030
4.350"
(.030 over)    -30
(Dish)    1.423"    -.009"    10.97    10.35    10.11    9.89    9.46    9.33    9.20    440.528.5036
4.360"
(.040 over)    -30
(Dish)    1.423"    -.009"    11.01    10.40    10.15    9.93    9.50    9.37    9.24    440.528.5037
4.375"
(.055 over)    -30
(Dish)    1.423"    -.009"    11.08    10.46    10.22    9.98    9.56    9.42    9.29    440.528.5038
4.350"
(.030 over)    -4
(Flat-top)    1.423"    -.009"    14.09    13.06    12.66    12.29    11.61    11.41    11.21    440.528.5033
4.360"
(.040 over)    -4
(Flat-top)    1.423"    -.009"    14.15    13.11    12.71    12.34    11.66    11.45    11.25    440.528.5034
4.375"
(.055 over)    -4
(Flat-top)    1.423"    -.009"    14.24    13.19    12.79    12.42    11.73    11.52    11.32    440.528.5035

[Musicman]

Personally, I wouldn't be looking at anything over 512 if I were you. Even 440 source will tell you that with any kit over 512, you may have to start modifying your oiling system to keep up with the demand. Stick with a 4.15 or a 4.25 stroke... 

[Challenger340]

Just my opinion,
I think the 440source parts are entirely fine for the application, as are many others.

But, As always with Strokers, the parts are one thing,

making sure you pay attention, to all the finer details, when machining & assembling, is the MOST imprtant thing.

Are you doing it, or taking it to a shop ?

[Challenger340]

PS;
What heads are you using ?

It's a little tough to select a Piston/Kit, without knowing the Head Chamber Volume.

[Tarzan]

Engine is .30 over (446) with Mopar D heads and a Mopar "purple" cam, so im thinking about changing the heads and cam.

Not that I am going to stroke the engine to a 528 with 550-600 horsepowers, which heads and cam would fit best?

Also if 528 is too much then probably to 500 or 512.

What do you think???

Have been thinking about the Edelbrock RPM 84 cc closed chamber heads, but I dont know for sure.
Also heard that INDY make good heads.



Im not going to put the stroker kit together, a friend I know (at a workshop) has done lots of mopar 440`s so he should be able to do this as well.

Hope that everything goes well.

[mally69]

What kind of power are you looking to have.  I have a 440 source 512 kit with indy heads and it will run on pump gas, should be close to 650- 680 hp hopefully .. I haven't put it on the dyno yet but I will this summer. 

[Tarzan]

Im thinking 550-600 horsepowers. Not more than that. So maybe I should get INDY heads as well? Or will Edelbrock work as good, like the 84cc? How much does the indy heads cost?

What kind of cam do you have?

If you have 512 then I guess I wont need more than that. Did you have to do alot to make it fit the 440 block?

[mally69]

Actually there was no clearancing that needed to be done to my block. That 512 kit in my block was pretty much a drop in peice, my block is a 69 block. But I also just for added support incase I decided to go bigger some day or get a little crazy I had a main girdle system bolted in, but I doubt I will go any bigger. I would at least put aluminum main caps or steel studded main caps. If you are looking for that kind of power 550-600 then the edelbrock heads would be a good choice, plus getting that amount of power would be fairly easy with a stroker with eddy heads. Also, 440 source has there stealth heads fully cnc ported now so that is another option to consider. I have a set of stealths on my other 440 and they are pretty good.. My Indy heads are ez-1 295 cnc  ported, I think I have about $ 3600-3800 total in those. As for my cam it was custom spec'ed by Dwayne Porter.
Now the link below is a link to my post on my 512.   BUT, the combo on the very first post is not what everything ended up being. If you look through that post all my specs are in there for cam, bore, stroke flow numbers, compression, etc..  check it out and if you have any other questions just ask. 


http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,31965.0.html

[Tarzan]

3 friends of mine says that stroking the engine that big would cost more since I have to upgrade some other things as well,

so its better or might even be cheaper to buy a 500 wedge engine instead. To make more hp, I would have to change heads,cam++++ and that would cost more in the long run.

What to you guys have to say about that? I am getting confused because everyone has different opinions.

Is the 500 wedge a good choice?



Since the engine isn't matching number, I don't have to keep it.

[mally69]

Well if you mean buying a crate 500 wedge, then I would have to say you will get more hp per dollar if you build your own with your origional block. I also thought about the crate engine route myself. but then decided for about the same price i could have alot more than the crate engine is pushing out. 

I would build what you  have.   

[Tarzan]

There`s also the thing that I can`t build anything myself, so I would have to send it to someone who knew this kind of thing, and it would cost me 3500 dollars for a guy to put the stroker kit in the engine, and thats almost half of the price. In Norway everything cost 2 times of what you pay if not even more, since we have to order everything from the US.

So I think I will get more hp by buying a new block. ALsdo I will get around 3600 dollars for my old block, so that will save some dollars as well.

[Musicman]

There`s also the thing that I can`t build anything myself, so I would have to send it to someone who knew this kind of thing.

"How To Books" are cheap!... and there are a number of good books available for Mopar Big Block's and Transmissions. Investing a couple of bucks here can save you a lot of money down the road.

[Tarzan]

So you would not buy a 500 wedge block? But its a good engine? Isnt it just a stroked 440???

Havent heard anyone talk about the 500 wedge before. Everyone just talks about the hemies and the 440.
Any good things about the 500 wedge or just bad?

Heard that you can`t have power brakes with the engine? Sounds a bit weird.

[Musicman]

So you would not buy a 500 wedge block? But its a good engine? Isnt it just a stroked 440???

The 500 is a 4.15 stroker...

[Tarzan]

What kind of power are you looking to have.  I have a 440 source 512 kit with indy heads and it will run on pump gas, should be close to 650- 680 hp hopefully .. I haven't put it on the dyno yet but I will this summer. 

You said that you have the 512 stroker kit. Have you upgraded anything else on your car?
Have been told that if im gonna stroke the engine I would have to upgraded alot because of the HORSEPOWERS that the engine is gonna get.

If this is just bull then I might do the 512 stroker kit instead?


Got to know that mopar  wont produce any crate/hemi engines in a long time, so then I guess I wont be buying a new motor after all.

Please give me some advice on what to do. Will do on of these things:


1. The stroker kit is gonna cost me: 3300 dollars and its gonna cost me 3200 dollars on the workshop to stroke the engine (since I cant do it myself).
    Might also change heads,cam +++ but thats gonna cost me alot more, almost like a new engine if not more.


2. Rebuild the engine and get some good heads,cam ++++++ which will cost around 4000 dollars for someone to rebuild it + parts so thats also gonna cost alot.


I really dont know what to do since everything is gonna cost me alot. What should I do.

[FLG]

If your going to go with a 512 you should put some sub-frame connectors on the car to avoid twisting the body, also should invest in a drive shaft loop just to be safe. I dont know your charger but disk up front would be a requirement at the least. And finally as long as your not running slicks you shouldnt need to worry about breaking the 8 3/4 with street tires, as they wont hook.

[Tarzan]

So you dont think I should run with a "rebuild kit" instead?

It would just cost more with to stroke the engine.

Dont know what to do yet.

(already have disk brakes in the front and I dont use slicks, so that should be fine)

[FLG]

All depends on your budget. Also would want to get the tranny worked a bit to utilize all that HP. If you have the budget, go with the 512 man.

[Tarzan]

Do I need anything more than just the 512 stroker kit, if I would decide to go for it?

New heads,cam etc?


Or is it just to put the stroker kit in and then its good to go?

How much HP can the 727 transmission handle?

[mally69]

What kind of power are you looking to have.  I have a 440 source 512 kit with indy heads and it will run on pump gas, should be close to 650- 680 hp hopefully .. I haven't put it on the dyno yet but I will this summer. 

You said that you have the 512 stroker kit. Have you upgraded anything else on your car?
Have been told that if im gonna stroke the engine I would have to upgraded alot because of the HORSEPOWERS that the engine is gonna get.

If this is just bull then I might do the 512 stroker kit instead?


Got to know that mopar  wont produce any crate/hemi engines in a long time, so then I guess I wont be buying a new motor after all.

Please give me some advice on what to do. Will do on of these things:


1. The stroker kit is gonna cost me: 3300 dollars and its gonna cost me 3200 dollars on the workshop to stroke the engine (since I cant do it myself).
    Might also change heads,cam +++ but thats gonna cost me alot more, almost like a new engine if not more.


2. Rebuild the engine and get some good heads,cam ++++++ which will cost around 4000 dollars for someone to rebuild it + parts so thats also gonna cost alot.


I really dont know what to do since everything is gonna cost me alot. What should I do.

I don't actually have the car its going into yet but I have the entire car blue printed in my head that I want to build. And yes you have to have at least a set of sub-frame connectors and I Am going to put in an 8 point roll bar in mine to really keep the car from twisting. Its not horsepower that does the twisting its the torque, and those strokers have tons of it.. If you say it costs double or more for stuff to be shipped there then have you checked to see what it costs for a 500 crate engine to be shipped over seas. Im just asking cause I don't actually know the costs of shipping.  Basically what I meant was, you can get more power per dollar if you build your own with your old block verses buying the crate engine. Don't get me wrong, there isn't anything wrong with the crate engines as far as I know.  As for the tranny a stock 727 should be able to handle about 550 max I would think, but a few added details like better clutch pack and a 4 pin planetary set would definaltly help the strength.

[Runner]

you might want to join moparts, then send this guy a pm.  hes in your neck of the woods i believe and seems to know his stuff   
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showprofile.php?Cat=0&User=7161&page=42&what=showmembers