Congratulations!

[Shakey]

Here's to Toyota and their first victory in the top level of NASCAR racing!   

Could they pull it off on Sunday?   

[Charger-Bodie]

BOOO! 

[hemi68charger]

Cool for Toyota.........

But, I'm beginning to thing NASCAR gets their marketing from the same people who have retail world put up Christmas decorations a week before Thanksgiving.. It's ALL about higher attendence dollars............... 

They should just call it IROC instead of NASCAR................

Maybe Waltrip can win another one without the shadow of history..............  This time he'll make his own memorable history......

Troy

[TruckDriver]

I have a feeling Shakey is just  a little.

[Shakey]

I think the only way it could be better is if one of the Canadians were to drive the Toyota into victory lane on Sunday.

I like rooting for the underdog.

[moparstuart]

I think the only way it could be better is if one of the Canadians were to drive the Toyota into victory lane on Sunday.

I like rooting for the underdog.

hate toyota

[Ponch ®]

Here's to Toyota and their first victory in the top level of NASCAR racing!   

Could they pull it off on Sunday?   

You sooooooo gotta start this thread over at moparts. 

[Shakey]

Doug already did, well something similar.

[The70RT]

Like The king moreless said it is starting to suck and that pretty much sums it up. Pretty soon we will have a bunch of foreign drivers that we cannot pronounce there names just like the cart/indy series. The cup series will then contenue to slide down hill like it has in the last couple years. They sure know how to F-up somthing that was going good. Oh yeah so they won a pointless race ......big deal! I am sure they will probably win one sooner or later but with the big bucks hell a VW could win

[timmy]

BOOOOOOOOOOOO   

[69_500]

Well I for can hardly stand to watch nascar any more. Granted I loved it when Dodge made a come back. But even then I wasn't in love with it as I was when I was a kid. I loved it when the cars actually looked like something on the street.

I HATE IT NOW THAT EVERYONE DRIVES THE SAME CAR. Only difference in cars now are stickers. THATS IT. Why continue with a name of NASCAR which stands for STOCK CAR when nothing on it is stock? I understood when the engines didn't match what was on the street, when none of the cars in the series were being built as RWD or with a V8? But making everyone use the same body? Why not call it the National Association of Identical Cars Automobile Racing?

[Ponch ®]

Well I for can hardly stand to watch nascar any more. Granted I loved it when Dodge made a come back. But even then I wasn't in love with it as I was when I was a kid. I loved it when the cars actually looked like something on the street.

Yeah, and the racing sucked back then.

[Shakey]

Like The king moreless said it is starting to suck and that pretty much sums it up. Pretty soon we will have a bunch of foreign drivers that we cannot pronounce there names just like the cart/indy series. The cup series will then contenue to slide down hill like it has in the last couple years. They sure know how to F-up somthing that was going good. Oh yeah so they won a pointless race ......big deal! I am sure they will probably win one sooner or later but with the big bucks hell a VW could win

Pretty soon we will have a bunch of foreign drivers that we cannot pronounce there names

You're serious - you feel one of the reasons the series is going downhill is because you cannot pronounce some of the driver's last names?  I guess it's good that they have numbers on the cars.

Travis Kvapil - where's he from?

[Shakey]

Well I for can hardly stand to watch nascar any more. Granted I loved it when Dodge made a come back. But even then I wasn't in love with it as I was when I was a kid. I loved it when the cars actually looked like something on the street.

Yeah, and the racing sucked back then.

You made a good point in another NASCAR thread sometime ago when someone was saying how great it was to watch NASCAR when Richard Petty dominated the circuit and you pointed out how exciting it must have been to watch him win by a three lap margin over the second place driver.   

[Ponch ®]

You're serious - you feel one of the reasons the series is going downhill is because you cannot pronounce some of the driver's last names?  I guess it's good that they have numbers on the cars.

Travis Kvapil - where's he from?

Or Alan Kulwicki? Charlie Glotzbach (sp?!) Damn foreigners ruining the sport!

[Charger-Bodie]

You're serious - you feel one of the reasons the series is going downhill is because you cannot pronounce some of the driver's last names?  I guess it's good that they have numbers on the cars.

Travis Kvapil - where's he from?

Or Alan Kulwicki? Charlie Glotzbach (sp?!) Damn foreigners ruining the sport!

Kulwicki Was from Wisconsin, Millawaukee area " America" .   He also was the last REAL champion Of NASCAR IMO It is a fact that he was the last car owner-driver to be a cup Champ!

[bull]

Well I for can hardly stand to watch nascar any more. Granted I loved it when Dodge made a come back. But even then I wasn't in love with it as I was when I was a kid. I loved it when the cars actually looked like something on the street.

Yeah, and the racing sucked back then.

Yea? How so?

[Ponch ®]

Well I for can hardly stand to watch nascar any more. Granted I loved it when Dodge made a come back. But even then I wasn't in love with it as I was when I was a kid. I loved it when the cars actually looked like something on the street.

Yeah, and the racing sucked back then.

Yea? How so?

Like so:

You made a good point in another NASCAR thread sometime ago when someone was saying how great it was to watch NASCAR when Richard Petty dominated the circuit and you pointed out how exciting it must have been to watch him win by a three lap margin over the second place driver.   

[bull]

Well I for can hardly stand to watch nascar any more. Granted I loved it when Dodge made a come back. But even then I wasn't in love with it as I was when I was a kid. I loved it when the cars actually looked like something on the street.

Yeah, and the racing sucked back then.

Yea? How so?

Like so:

You made a good point in another NASCAR thread sometime ago when someone was saying how great it was to watch NASCAR when Richard Petty dominated the circuit and you pointed out how exciting it must have been to watch him win by a three lap margin over the second place driver.   

That's a very specific example but that's not really the point I guess. I think it's more widespread than just NASCAR; seems like all of American life has gotten about as commercialized, disingenuous (phony) and mechanical as it can get. I liked things better when the Oakland Raiders had scruffy beards and showed up to games hung over, women had some hips on them and a bit of fro, cars were louder and more dangerous and life in general wasn't so sterile, safe, triple-packaged and organized. But that's just me.

[Shakey]

Well I for can hardly stand to watch nascar any more. Granted I loved it when Dodge made a come back. But even then I wasn't in love with it as I was when I was a kid. I loved it when the cars actually looked like something on the street.

Yeah, and the racing sucked back then.

Yea? How so?

Like so:

You made a good point in another NASCAR thread sometime ago when someone was saying how great it was to watch NASCAR when Richard Petty dominated the circuit and you pointed out how exciting it must have been to watch him win by a three lap margin over the second place driver.   

That's a very specific example but that's not really the point I guess. I think it's more widespread than just NASCAR; seems like all of American life has gotten about as commercialized, disingenuous (phony) and mechanical as it can get. I liked things better when the Oakland Raiders had scruffy beards and showed up to games hung over, women had some hips on them and a bit of fro, cars were louder and more dangerous and life in general wasn't so sterile, safe, triple-packaged and organized. But that's just me.

Me too - 

I long for the good ol' days, especially in the office nevironment.  I liked it when a chick would walk by my desk I was able to slap her on the ass and say "hiya toots, what's happenin'?"

[Shakey]

And once again, congratulations go out to Toyota for pulling off their first victory, this one for points!   

And this is for all the guys that said it would never happen.   

Could Tony Stewart dominate and win the 50th Annual Daytona 500 in a Toyota Camry?   

[Ghoste]

And once again, congratulations go out to Toyota for pulling off their first victory, this one for points!   

And this is for all the guys that said it would never happen.   

Could Tony Stewart dominate and win the 50th Annual Daytona 500 in a Toyota Camry?   

I think Toyota will most certainly purchase the grand championship in NASCAR they so desparately want and rednecks everywhere will go "who the hell cares?" and Toyota will continue in their quest for global auto mfg dominance until like GM and all titans, they reach a point of non-sustainability and will fall to new automotive juggernaut who in all likelihood will come from China. 

[NHCharger]

I liked it when a chick would walk by my desk I was able to slap her on the ass and say "hiya toots, what's happenin'?"

I just blew beer out my nostrils

[NHCharger]

OK, now that I've cleaned up the keyboard. I tried watching the Busch race today but had no interest. Have no interest in watching the 500. I think it's a combination of the following:
1. all cars look/are the same except for stickers.
2. Too many 1.5 mile D shape oval race tracks.
3. too many whiny drivers. I miss the fist fights on the back stretch after the race.
4. The team with the most money to spend wins the championship.
5.For years NA$CAR has tried to muffle any driver who speaks his mind. Now Brian France says the drivers need to show the fans more of their personalities. So Stewart and Kurt Busch do just that and get put on probation for 6 races.

[69_500]

I disagree about the older races not being exciting to watch. Why does everyone think that a freight train of 43 cars going around a track is exciting? Where it has nothing to do with driving, just a matter of who is willing to help who, or who is willing to leave who out to dry? Thats not exciting.

I say take off the restrictor plates. Make the cars appear the way they do on the street, add in roll bars, and such for saftey reasons. But if the car is a 4 door car, it must be a 4 door car to race. If the car isn't available with a V8, then it can't race with a V8.

If a car can safely run around Atlanta or any of the other Cookie cutter tracks at 194 mph then WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU LIMIT THEM AT DAYTONA AND TALLADEGA TO 186MPH? That my friends isn't exciting. Who likes to watch restricted racing? If a car can run 240 then find a driver that is MAN ENOUGH, to hold the throttle wide open and run it that fast for 500 miles. If they could run 200 in 1969 on those skinny tires, then they can definately run 230-240 just as comfortably as 200 was in 1969-1970.