The future is now, get ready for Hydrogen fuel cell cars.

[bull]

With nothing else to export and lots of starving and unemployed faithful, they may want to kill us even more. 

Maybe, but they won't have any of our money to do it with. I'm sure China will keep them in business. Maybe the Chinese will be over there trying to straighten them out someday instead of us.

[bull]

childish or not, you HAVE to admit al gore is a complete babbling crybaby idiot
trav

i dont really... ha

explain.   

i dont really want this to turn out to a politics thing because people just end up taking things way too seriously, but i happen to like him.
what did he do to you personally?

Personally? Well, I think trying to ban cars (muscle cars included) gets pretty personal since we are all members of a website dedicated to a specific muscle car. IMO he's using a naturally-occurring climate cycle to forward his phony agenda. I happen to think it makes sense that our planet would in fact steadily warm itself since the last ice age. But then we're not supposed to get political, right?

[Ghoste]

Not to mention that choosing to live in the public eye and wanting to bend the world to his vision pretty much means he has to be open to praise AND criticism.  We won't mention the whole environmental hypocrite thing though since we aren't being political.

[kylem4711]

childish or not, you HAVE to admit al gore is a complete babbling crybaby idiot
trav

i dont really... ha

explain.   

i dont really want this to turn out to a politics thing because people just end up taking things way too seriously, but i happen to like him.
what did he do to you personally?

Personally? Well, I think trying to ban cars (muscle cars included) gets pretty personal since we are all members of a website dedicated to a specific muscle car. IMO he's using a naturally-occurring climate cycle to forward his phony agenda. I happen to think it makes sense that our planet would in fact steadily warm itself since the last ice age. But then we're not supposed to get political, right?

i dont think its natural whats happening.

the thing about him is, he uses science to prove his point to why global warming exists.  he doesn't just say stuff like it makes sense to him that the world would be heating up.   

you are of course entitled to your opinion about the subject,  its just i have looked at both sides and his makes the most sense. 

whats his agenda?  he has already he says he no longer wants to be in politics

it will be pretty damn hard to get rid of all the muscle cars, so im not toooo worried about that at the moment

[kylem4711]

Not to mention that choosing to live in the public eye and wanting to bend the world tohis vision pretty much means he has to be open to praise AND criticism.  We won't mention the whole environmental hypocrite thing though since we aren't being political.

he does seem to be a hypocrite from some stuff that ive heard

[bull]

childish or not, you HAVE to admit al gore is a complete babbling crybaby idiot
trav

i dont really... ha

explain.   

i dont really want this to turn out to a politics thing because people just end up taking things way too seriously, but i happen to like him.
what did he do to you personally?

Personally? Well, I think trying to ban cars (muscle cars included) gets pretty personal since we are all members of a website dedicated to a specific muscle car. IMO he's using a naturally-occurring climate cycle to forward his phony agenda. I happen to think it makes sense that our planet would in fact steadily warm itself since the last ice age. But then we're not supposed to get political, right?

i dont think its natural whats happening.

the thing about him is, he uses science to prove his point to why global warming exists.  he doesn't just say stuff like it makes sense to him that the world would be heating up.   

you are of course entitled to your opinion about the subject,  its just i have looked at both sides and his makes the most sense. 

whats his agenda?  he has already he says he no longer wants to be in politics

it will be pretty damn hard to get rid of all the muscle cars, so im not toooo worried about that at the moment

So you're saying you disagree with him or what? I mean if he's right and you believe him you should do the right thing and get rid of your cars. What are you waiting for?

[1969chargerrtse]

childish or not, you HAVE to admit al gore is a complete babbling crybaby idiot
trav

i dont really... ha

explain.   

i dont really want this to turn out to a politics thing because people just end up taking things way too seriously, but i happen to like him.
what did he do to you personally?

Personally? Well, I think trying to ban cars (muscle cars included) gets pretty personal since we are all members of a website dedicated to a specific muscle car. IMO he's using a naturally-occurring climate cycle to forward his phony agenda. I happen to think it makes sense that our planet would in fact steadily warm itself since the last ice age. But then we're not supposed to get political, right?

i dont think its natural whats happening.

the thing about him is, he uses science to prove his point to why global warming exists.  he doesn't just say stuff like it makes sense to him that the world would be heating up.   

you are of course entitled to your opinion about the subject,  its just i have looked at both sides and his makes the most sense. 

whats his agenda?  he has already he says he no longer wants to be in politics

it will be pretty damn hard to get rid of all the muscle cars, so im not toooo worried about that at the moment

I was listening to people argue about gloal warming on the radio the other day, and the speaker said , How could we be the reason for Global warming if they're finding out that all the planets in the solar system are warming slightly not just Earth?  I didn't know that, and the other person never answered it.

[The70RT]

I guess we will all find out in a few hudered or a thousand years from now.

[BigBlackDodge]

childish or not, you HAVE to admit al gore is a complete babbling crybaby idiot
trav

i dont really... ha

explain.   

i dont really want this to turn out to a politics thing because people just end up taking things way too seriously, but i happen to like him.
what did he do to you personally?

Personally? Well, I think trying to ban cars (muscle cars included) gets pretty personal since we are all members of a website dedicated to a specific muscle car. IMO he's using a naturally-occurring climate cycle to forward his phony agenda. I happen to think it makes sense that our planet would in fact steadily warm itself since the last ice age. But then we're not supposed to get political, right?

i dont think its natural whats happening.

the thing about him is, he uses science to prove his point to why global warming exists.  he doesn't just say stuff like it makes sense to him that the world would be heating up.   

you are of course entitled to your opinion about the subject,  its just i have looked at both sides and his makes the most sense. 

whats his agenda?  he has already he says he no longer wants to be in politics

it will be pretty damn hard to get rid of all the muscle cars, so im not toooo worried about that at the moment

I was listening to people argue about gloal warming on the radio the other day, and the speaker said , How could we be the reason for Global warming if they're finding out that all the planets in the solar system are warming slightly not just Earth?  I didn't know that, and the other person never answered it.

Ohhh no! Galactic warming!

Aren't all spaceships hydrogen powered by now?

BBD

[kylem4711]

childish or not, you HAVE to admit al gore is a complete babbling crybaby idiot
trav

i dont really... ha

explain.   

i dont really want this to turn out to a politics thing because people just end up taking things way too seriously, but i happen to like him.
what did he do to you personally?

Personally? Well, I think trying to ban cars (muscle cars included) gets pretty personal since we are all members of a website dedicated to a specific muscle car. IMO he's using a naturally-occurring climate cycle to forward his phony agenda. I happen to think it makes sense that our planet would in fact steadily warm itself since the last ice age. But then we're not supposed to get political, right?

i dont think its natural whats happening.

the thing about him is, he uses science to prove his point to why global warming exists.  he doesn't just say stuff like it makes sense to him that the world would be heating up.   

you are of course entitled to your opinion about the subject,  its just i have looked at both sides and his makes the most sense. 

whats his agenda?  he has already he says he no longer wants to be in politics

it will be pretty damn hard to get rid of all the muscle cars, so im not toooo worried about that at the moment

So you're saying you disagree with him or what? I mean if he's right and you believe him you should do the right thing and get rid of your cars. What are you waiting for?

i agree with him, and i do more then enough of other things.  so i figure i can spoil myself with the car

[Paul G]

We have only been keeping weather records for a few hundred years. The Earth is millions of years old, with fossilized proof that the Earth's climate is in constant change. Fossilized fish in the desert, forest's at the bottom of lakes, etc. Watch the discovery channel, it's all there. 

How can anyone come to a scientific conclusion that we have damaged the Earth with so little information over such a short time period? I don't believe we have had that great of an impact on the Earth. I do believe we need to stop polluting the planet we call home though. So if All Gore has made an improvement in the air we breath and the water we drink because of his scare tactic, it's a good thing.

I still think he is a winer!       

[RD]

We have only been keeping weather records for a few hundred years. The Earth is millions of years old, with fossilized proof that the Earth's climate is in constant change. Fossilized fish in the desert, forest's at the bottom of lakes, etc. Watch the discovery channel, it's all there. 

How can anyone come to a scientific conclusion that we have damaged the Earth with so little information over such a short time period? I don't believe we have had that great of an impact on the Earth. I do believe we need to stop polluting the planet we call home though. So if All Gore has made an improvement in the air we breath and the water we drink because of his scare tactic, it's a good thing.

I still think he is a winer!       

hmmmm true.. true.. true... and your last point... TRUE!!! 

[Mike DC]

 
IMHO Al Gore has never really stopped running for president since he lost 8 years ago.  With this global warming push from him, I think we're really just looking at an extremely shrewd & farsighted political campaign. 

He might actually feel strongly about what he's saying.  You never know.   But either way, I'll bet he never does anything for the sake of the environment that might threaten his long-term political career. 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Global warming is real but we don't know why it's happening. 

I think the rising oceans will probably do a lot more concrete damage to the world within our lifetimes than the gradual temperature increase.  Most of the humans on earth live within a few miles of the coasts.  Push that water level up several feet, and watch the riots start. 

[bull]

So you're saying you disagree with him or what? I mean if he's right and you believe him you should do the right thing and get rid of your cars. What are you waiting for?

i agree with him, and i do more then enough of other things.  so i figure i can spoil myself with the car

Sorry, that's not going to cut it with his agenda. Cars are Satan to him. You'll have to spoil (or soil) yourself with an electric bicycle to make the green freaks happy. There is no compromise.

[Lowprofile]

I don't know, the Polar Bears look pretty good to me...........That seal is not doing well though

[Mike DC]

 
Fossil-fuel cars are Satan to a lot of the country, even among those who use them. 


Much of the public would love to assuage their Catholic-style "guilty-by-existence" feelings about cars.  Resource consumption, global warming, oil wars, . . . switching away from gasoline-burning vehicles would make them feel better about all kinds of things.  Give the general public another option (that isn't horrifically  impractical & expensive), and sales of gaoline-burning autos would drop through the floor.   


(And once they've personally switched the car in their driveway, most of the public will probably feel free to attack anyone still driving an "oil-burner."  They'll conveniently ignore the fact that most of their life & resources would still basically be supported by oil in all kinds of other ways.)

 

[hemihead]

Don't forget that these same Tree Hugging people are the ones who drive the big SUV's , love their PC's and Laptops , and use all the other products that waste energy, create more pollution to power , or end up in land fills .
How can anyone honestly say that they are a Greenie then own a Musclecar ? I guess you ease your conscience by saying you do other things so you can spoil yourself.

[Mike DC]

 
Being "green" is a huge marketing tool whenever they can make it one these days. 

A lot of people wanna be percieved as earth-friendly as much as they wanna look beautiful & wealthy.  So a lot of the same marketing principles end up applying now.  It's not as relevant whether a product actually IS greener, just that it projects that idea to the buyer and others around them. 

   

[bull]

 
Fossil-fuel cars are Satan to a lot of the country, even among those who use them. 


Much of the public would love to assuage their Catholic-style "guilty-by-existence" feelings about cars.  Resource consumption, global warming, oil wars, . . . switching away from gasoline-burning vehicles would make them feel better about all kinds of things.  Give the general public another option (that isn't horrifically  impractical & expensive), and sales of gaoline-burning autos would drop through the floor.   


(And once they've personally switched the car in their driveway, most of the public will probably feel free to attack anyone still driving an "oil-burner."  They'll conveniently ignore the fact that most of their life & resources would still basically be supported by oil in all kinds of other ways.)

 

Assuage is the $5 word of the day.

Anyway, I think like you. It's all about feelings. People want to feel like they're doing the right thing whether it can be proven right or not. How much more fossil fuel do we use now days with these 4 mpg trucks driving around picking up recycling? We could probably cut fuel usage in this country by 1/10th if we quit making two trips to each suburbian home once a week to pick up garbage and recycling. Of course then people would start throwing all their oil-based plastics in the garbage. Still, I bet we waste more fuel picking up recycling than we'd waste by throwing that stuff away. I'd like to see a study on that.

The best reason I can see for using alternative fuels (fuel we can produce here at home) is to financially choke the life out of those oil barons in the Middle East.

[Ghoste]

Too late Bull, they secretly purchased China and it's chief retail outlet Wal-Mart years ago.  (no I can't prove it but the men in the black helicopters told me)

[Paul G]

Most people don't realize that we do not have a clean energy source available for use today. Even solar power requires batteries to store the energy. Batteries require manufacturing which in itself polutes. Even hydrogen fueled vehicles are not clean. It takes energy, electricity, to make the hydrogen. The electricity needed to recharge an electric car comes from oil, coal, or nuclear power. Very little of the electricity we use today comes from Hydro generation.

So what are we supposed to do?     

[bull]

Most people don't realize that we do not have a clean energy source available for use today. Even solar power requires batteries to store the energy. Batteries require manufacturing which in itself polutes. Even hydrogen fueled vehicles are not clean. It takes energy, electricity, to make the hydrogen. The electricity needed to recharge an electric car comes from oil, coal, or nuclear power. Very little of the electricity we use today comes from Hydro generation.

So what are we supposed to do?     

Nothing. That's the point. There's nothing we can do that does not have a supposed "negative" impact on the environment. Greenies spend so much time telling us to protect the environment they seem to forget we are part of it. I don't mind doing my part to promote conservation efforts but I'm not convinced anyone really knows the best way to go about doing that.

[Mike DC]

I think it's worse than just getting us out from under the oil barons. 

There has recently been a very convincing argument put forth that Saudi Arabia's long-term oil reserves are in serious trouble.  The assertion is that the country is turning out to have a hell of a lot less oil left under it than what has always been believed.  I've read the whole thing and it makes a lot of sense to me.  If that really is the case, then the world oil situation is much closer to the breaking point than we generally think.  The pipeline isn't gonna turn off tomorrow but it may well be sputtering in one or two decades instead of five or six.



Humans just generally aren't making their power in very clean & renewable ways.  Even if we found centuries' more coal & oil somewhere, the climate couldn't withstand the kind of CO2 infusion that it would create to use the stuff.  Al Gore may be a scaremonger but the basic problems with fossil fuel & climate remain.  I don't know what major-league carbon emissions are doing to the earth right now but sooner or later it's gonna do SOMETHING we won't like.  And by the time we see the proof of the problem, it's already gonna be way too late to avert a lot of the consequences.   


We need HUGE amounts of clean electrical energy.  Bigger than anything even on the map right now. 
If we could find a way to get it, then we really could switch the majority of the transportation system over to hydrogen and be set.   Hydrogen is pretty clean once the hydro is created by using a whole lot of electric (read: fossil fuels) power. 

 

[Lowprofile]

Nuclear Energy. We need more plants...especially out west.

[Mike DC]

 
Yeah, I agree that we probably will build more nuclear plants.  We've got the raw uranium on US soil and we've got the facilities to enrich it.  And the big nuclear disaster scares of the past probably won't be such a factor in people's perceptions anymore since we've gone so long without an incident.  Homer Simpson is a scary thought in everyone's mind, but the fact is that he's been successful at keeping Springfield meltdown-free since the 1970s. 


It's not a perfect solution.  But IMO our radioactive nuclear waste may not end up doing any greater damage to the world than our "safe" ways of making power are doing.