The future is now, get ready for Hydrogen fuel cell cars.

[1969chargerrtse]

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=&vid=ec5a4877-a48f-4319-8a80-317a6f7ec4cf   

[rav440]

good , does this mean that AL GORE and his tree hugging minions will shut the hell up for awhile ?

[BigBlackDodge]

Not until there are lots of refueling stations spread out will these things will it take off IMHO.




BBD

[bull]

good , does this mean that AL GORE and his tree hugging minions will shut the hell up for awhile ?

Right. I thought their motto was "there's always something to bitch about."

[Troy]

Not for me - 3 year lease at $600 per month. It gets 270 miles per fill up with most all of the stations in southern California - it won't even make it to Vegas according to the Honda rep. He said that one strategically placed station would solve that problem. He didn't mention how badly that station would be able to gouge the consumer nor the typical cost of hydrogen. Roughly 68 mpg so is it really that much better than a proven hybrid when you factor in the cost? Yes, I know it's supposed to be zero emissions. I realize these will get cheaper over time (just like hybrids) so, thankfully, Californians get to be the guinea pigs and the technology will be several generations old by the time I can get one. It'll be several years before Ohio sees a network of stations any way.

Troy

[rav440]

thats what i was wanting to know . how much is hydrogen ? as for now these cars may be eco friendly but not cost effective by the time you weight out the cost of the car and the miliage it getts ill bet it still factors out to driving a truck .

[BigBlackDodge]

When hydrogen is produced isn't there polution created in the process?


BBD

[Troy]

When hydrogen is produced isn't there polution created in the process?


BBD

Shhhhhh! Don't use logic near the greenies - they get upset.

Troy

[The70RT]

Before it really takes off you will have to go out of your way to refill since the stations will be randomly scattered.

[bull]

Popular Mechanics ran an article not too long ago on fuel efficient diesel engines that can be made to emit all but zero emissions. What I still can't figure out is why diesel costs $.20 more per gallon than gasoline when it's cheaper to refine. Fuzzy math I guess.

I still think straight electric is the way to go, especially now that lithium batteries are starting to be used. Electricity is the only other resource that has an infrastructure already in place all over the nation; all you'd have to do is warehouse some universal-fit battery packs and I think that would be a lot simpler than most of the other alternatives. No matter what fuel you use to propel cars though there's always going to be an environmental impact. Sorry greenies.

[pettyfan43]

Popular Mechanics ran an article not too long ago on fuel efficient diesel engines that can be made to emit all but zero emissions. What I still can't figure out is why diesel costs $.20 more per gallon than gasoline when it's cheaper to refine. Fuzzy math I guess.

I still think straight electric is the way to go, especially now that lithium batteries are starting to be used. Electricity is the only other resource that has an infrastructure already in place all over the nation; all you'd have to do is warehouse some universal-fit battery packs and I think that would be a lot simpler than most of the other alternatives. No matter what fuel you use to propel cars though there's always going to be an environmental impact. Sorry greenies.

Cause MORE PEOPLE are opting for diesels and more people are jumping on the bandwagon, You can't use just anything, you have to use ON ROAD Diesel and they get real pissy if you use off road! I actually came up on a DOT roadblock one day not far from home, and the Officer just asked me if I was gas or diesel in my truck. Looking for off road diesel users in the street.

[sick dawg]

When these things catch on I hope it means the price of Shell 100 is comming down!

[1FastCharger]

When hydrogen is produced isn't there polution created in the process?


BBD

Shhhhhh! Don't use logic near the greenies - they get upset.

Troy

I saw a show on the Discovery channel a while back about the future of hydrogen power. Greenland will be a major producer of hydrogen. They are able to use natural steam geisers to generate electricity. They can then use the electricity to separate water into oxygen and hydrogen through electrolosis with no emissions. In the same show there was a guy that invented something that looked like a hockey puck to store hydrogen. It soaked it up like a sponge and would not release it until an electrical current was run throuh it. It was an amazingly safe way to store and transport hydrogen. Lastly Honda has a machine that goes on your garage wall and it refilles your tank overnight. All it needs is a water supply and electricity.

[Ghoste]

I wonder how long it will be until Sunoco buys Greenland?

[1969chargerrtse]

When hydrogen is produced isn't there polution created in the process?


BBD

Shhhhhh! Don't use logic near the greenies - they get upset.

Troy

I saw a show on the Discovery channel a while back about the future of hydrogen power. Greenland will be a major producer of hydrogen. They are able to use natural steam geisers to generate electricity. They can then use the electricity to separate water into oxygen and hydrogen through electrolysis with no emissions. In the same show there was a guy that invented something that looked like a hockey puck to store hydrogen. It soaked it up like a sponge and would not release it until an electrical current was run through it. It was an amazingly safe way to store and transport hydrogen. Lastly Honda has a machine that goes on your garage wall and it refills your tank overnight. All it needs is a water supply and electricity.

Saw the same show a while back.  Neat stuff coming out soon from Gm'S Volt to "platform electric cars"  were the main platform is the same and they drop different bodies on top.  Gonna be a fascinating future, coming real soon.  Volt is due in less than 2 years I believe, plug in electric, with gas generator backup, how cool.

[dkn1997]

When hydrogen is produced isn't there polution created in the process?


BBD

That's the same question on my mind too.  Is it even possible to produce hydrogen without burning fossil fuels?  how much of an impact will hydrogen cars really have? 

you want zero emissions?  I say power 'em all with a nuclear slug.    

and you won't even have to put headlights on 'em either the whole damn thing will glow in the dark.   

[1969chargerrtse]

When hydrogen is produced isn't there pollution created in the process?


BBD

That's the same question on my mind too.  Is it even possible to produce hydrogen without burning fossil fuels?  how much of an impact will hydrogen cars really have? 

you want zero emissions?  I say power 'em all with a nuclear slug.    

and you won't even have to put headlights on 'em either the whole damn thing will glow in the dark.   

Probably much less, but it's not about that.  It's about not relying on oil form people that want us dead.

[Ghoste]

With nothing else to export and lots of starving and unemployed faithful, they may want to kill us even more. 

[1969chargerrtse]

With nothing else to export and lots of starving and unemployed faithful, they may want to kill us even more. 

But they'll have a lot less money to do so, and that's a good thing.

[RD]

...I actually came up on a DOT roadblock one day not far from home, and the Officer just asked me if I was gas or diesel in my truck. Looking for off road diesel users in the street.

this pisses me off, really.  they should put more time and effort into catching REAL criminals rather than people who are spending their own money for fuel.. the travesty of it all!!

maybe they should use all that wasted tax payers dollars to catch murderers or rapists... geez... fricken idiotic.. police stops to dip your tank for red diesel.


oh... and hydrogen is cool.. just not feasible at this time.. but it will be, one of these days

[The70RT]

...I actually came up on a DOT roadblock one day not far from home, and the Officer just asked me if I was gas or diesel in my truck. Looking for off road diesel users in the street.

this pisses me off, really.  they should put more time and effort into catching REAL criminals rather than people who are spending their own money for fuel.. the travesty of it all!!

maybe they should use all that wasted tax payers dollars to catch murderers or rapists... geez... fricken idiotic.. police stops to dip your tank for red diesel.


oh... and hydrogen is cool.. just not feasible at this time.. but it will be, one of these days

Pretty crazy. They act like they have nothing better to do. It's gonna be crazy in our town if they let the Police take over the city code and compliance department.

[kylem4711]

good , does this mean that AL GORE and his tree hugging minions will shut the hell up for awhile ?

Right. I thought their motto was "there's always something to bitch about."

?   
why is trying to help the world bad?
those two statements just make you sound childish

[69charger2002]

childish or not, you HAVE to admit al gore is a complete babbling crybaby idiot
trav

[Forza]

childish or not, you HAVE to admit al gore is a complete babbling crybaby idiot
trav

Agreed

[kylem4711]

childish or not, you HAVE to admit al gore is a complete babbling crybaby idiot
trav

i dont really... ha

explain.   

i dont really want this to turn out to a politics thing because people just end up taking things way too seriously, but i happen to like him.
what did he do to you personally?