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I looked at a '70 Roadrunner 4 sale today (29 Pics) + 6 more in UPDATE pg2

Started by TruckDriver, September 29, 2007, 07:15:28 PM

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TruckDriver

#25
September 30, 2007, 07:15:50 AM
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on September 29, 2007, 10:48:07 PM
Quote from: Wi. Charger Guy on September 29, 2007, 10:08:53 PM
Why does that car have a 318-2bbl engine if it is a Roadrunner? The engine looks original to the car. I do not think that is a RR!  No Sale, at least to me!

Blue is not the correct color on 1970s engines. That wasn't changed til '72.

So tell me, what color is?   :icon_smile_wink:
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Same color as on your '70 Charger :slap:
PETE

My Dad taught me about TIME TRAVEL.
"If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!" :P

Chris G.

#26
September 30, 2007, 07:39:02 AM
Quote from: Wi. Charger Guy on September 30, 2007, 07:15:50 AM
Same color as on your '70 Charger :slap:

Strike Two.  :P

Charger-Bodie

#27
September 30, 2007, 08:44:41 AM
A 1970 318 engine is BLUE.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

TUFCAT

#28
September 30, 2007, 09:07:36 AM
Maybe somebody else can answer this ....but on a real Road Runner, the holes in the quarter would be spaced out for each name plate "road" and "runner" - like they're pictured ...does'nt look like it wore a "Satellite" nameplate unless the two holes were for "sport" and "satellite" (I'm no expert on 70 b-bodies).  Also, did you notice the upper door moldings on each door.  RR's never had those.   At first I wondered if the doors were switched with satellite doors because the moldings are on the doors only.  The  RR rear tape stripe treatment on the quarter panel end caps are there, as well as the running bird on the front fenders - tape stripes look to be as weathered as the rest of the body.  The grille looks strange as well....I don't recall road runners having a silver grill, shouldn't it be blacked out?. These doors look like Satellite doors....as well as  the drivetrain stuff- - - mystery goes on. This CAR has a LOT of EXPLAINING to do!  :eek2: 

Charger-Bodie

#29
September 30, 2007, 09:14:50 AM
those look like  road runner holes to me.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

Charger_Fan

#30
September 30, 2007, 11:28:54 AM
Quote from: 1hot68 on September 30, 2007, 08:44:41 AM
A 1970 318 engine is BLUE.
:iagree: Mine sure is. :yesnod:




The Aquamax...yes, this bike spent 2 nights underwater one weekend. (Not my doing), but it gained the name, and has since become pseudo-famous. :)

Ghoste

#31
September 30, 2007, 12:37:46 PM
Quote from: NHCharger on September 30, 2007, 06:44:39 AMI thought the stamp on the rad. support only has the last six numbers? If so it wouldn't help ID the car.

Because the last six in this instance are dealing with two separate vins.  If the six match the fender tag and dash, then we know the basic shell was once a Road Runner, if those last six match the door or title, then it was a little more pedestrian than a RR.

TruckDriver

#32
September 30, 2007, 12:50:56 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on September 30, 2007, 12:37:46 PM
Quote from: NHCharger on September 30, 2007, 06:44:39 AMI thought the stamp on the rad. support only has the last six numbers? If so it wouldn't help ID the car.

Because the last six in this instance are dealing with two separate vins.  If the six match the fender tag and dash, then we know the basic shell was once a Road Runner, if those last six match the door or title, then it was a little more pedestrian than a RR.

And they do match on the radiator support. They are stamped,  0  132998 like that. I tried to get a picture, but all 3 didn't turn out as the angle was to much to get at. I tried to find it in the trunk area, but I couldn't see it (rust).

Quote from: 1hot68 on September 30, 2007, 08:44:41 AM
A 1970 318 engine is BLUE.

Really... I learned something new then. I thought all engines in '70 were the same color. I never claimed to be a expert :P
PETE

My Dad taught me about TIME TRAVEL.
"If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!" :P

TruckDriver

#33
September 30, 2007, 12:57:20 PM
Pics from this morning. For the most part, the car might be legit. The core support matches the dash vin# as I said in the last post I made. There was a guy at the shop too, (not the seller) that said something about a parts car that goes with this one (I believe as some harleys were going by). The owner was at the Jefferson car show. Here are 6 more pics.



PETE

My Dad taught me about TIME TRAVEL.
"If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!" :P

TUFCAT

#34
September 30, 2007, 01:26:37 PM
WOW - - There's NO TRUNK FLOOR LEFT!!!  I thought the car looked pretty solid in the first batch of pics.  :o

TruckDriver

#35
September 30, 2007, 01:48:25 PM
As bad as the floors are, the frame rails are near perfect. I was under it yesterday. I have a feeling the car sat in tall grass a long time.
PETE

My Dad taught me about TIME TRAVEL.
"If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!" :P

Old Moparz

#36
September 30, 2007, 02:36:41 PM
It doesn't look to bad for a project, but I think $4000 is steep depending on the condition of the parts car. If the title matches the dash & core support numbers, then the battle of what it is isn't a problem. The hood with turn signals is from a Satellite/Belvedere, & probably the small rear too. The expense of swapping the drive train back won't be cheap, but then nothing is anymore.

The Road Runner/GTX bulge hood is at least $300 or more, & the air grabber hood is anywhere from $1000 to $3000 depending on how complete. The good thing is that most or all of the air grabber parts are available as repro if you go that route & snag a core. You can also convert a bulge hood with a kit that's available. One nice thing about a Road Runner, is that there is less trim to hunt for.

               Bob               



              Going Nowhere In A Hurry

Big Lebowski

#37
September 30, 2007, 09:08:48 PM
Quote from: TUFCAT on September 30, 2007, 01:26:37 PM
WOW - - There's NO TRUNK FLOOR LEFT!!!  I thought the car looked pretty solid in the first batch of pics.  :o

  That just makes it easier to remove the rest. :D
"Let me explain something to you, um i am not Mr. Lebowski, you're Mr. Lebowski. I'm the dude, so that's what you call me. That or his dudeness, or duder, or you know, el duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

71gtx

#38
October 01, 2007, 12:59:22 AM
Quote from: lumpy on September 29, 2007, 09:18:16 PM
There are a couple other places to check for the vin #. On the radiator support, on the cowl and on the trunk lip. It looks like a RR to me, check those #'s to be sure  :2thumbs:


there is no numbers on cowl in 1970 b-body  1971 74 b- body  yes


the numbers on trunk lip  2841 800  are part numbers not vin number  132998 is number you need to find :scratchchin:

Ghoste

#39
October 01, 2007, 03:54:41 AM
The vin should also be on the trunk lip.

TruckDriver

#40
October 01, 2007, 05:06:59 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on October 01, 2007, 03:54:41 AM
The vin should also be on the trunk lip.

I looked there and didn't find anything anywhere. If it is under the trunk seal, it is stuck on pretty good, and I didn't wanna pull it off.
PETE

My Dad taught me about TIME TRAVEL.
"If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!" :P

C_stripes

#41
October 01, 2007, 10:09:32 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on September 29, 2007, 09:33:24 PM
If I had an extra 4k lying around, Id get it. Today I got word of a 69 Roadrunner Convertable 440 4-spd sitting around here somewhere in blackberry bushes :scope:
In 69, The only road runners with 440's were the M code 69 1/2 6bbl cars. No converts. So it is 1 of 2 things, 1, Someone put in the 440 or 2, It is a GTX. But no mater how you look at it. its a convert.  Well worth getting
I'm smarter than I act, But I don't act smarter than I am.

PocketThunder

#42
October 01, 2007, 10:29:52 PM
Pete, time to build that superbird clone you've always wanted!
"Liberalism is a disease that attacks one's ability to understand logic. Extreme manifestations include the willingness to continue down a path of self destruction, based solely on a delusional belief in a failed ideology."

TruckDriver

#43
October 01, 2007, 10:47:37 PM
Quote from: PocketThunder on October 01, 2007, 10:29:52 PM
Pete, time to build that superbird clone you've always wanted!

:lol: Rigghhhttttt


I'd rather have a C500 than a winged car.
PETE

My Dad taught me about TIME TRAVEL.
"If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!" :P

70gtx440dana

#44
October 03, 2007, 12:14:14 AM
Really looks like a 70 RR that has had Satellite parts of the same color changed over. If the rad support, and trunk lip match the fender
tag and dash vin then I would lean toward the hood, doors, trunk lid and drive train coming from a 70 donor satellite. If rad support
and trunk lip don't match then more investigation is necessary.

RR hints on this car are: tail lights, quarter extensions with stripes, holes in quarter for emblems, complete dash assembly, fender decals etc.

If it is a real RR missing hood and drivetrain the $4K price is not bad. If it is a Satellite I would say more like $2200-2500.

Good luck with the rest of the investigation.
70 Road Runner FJ5 383-4speed Air Grabber
70 GTX FE5 440-4speed Dana 3.54
70 Charger R/T FJ5 440-4peed Dana 3.54

Nacho-RT74

#45
October 03, 2007, 08:00:42 AM
amaizing how the prices change just FOR ONE LETTER... that's something I can't stand from Plymouths... same car with just a couple of trim upgrades and double the price. Same as different name just because a hood, a grill and some trim.

Sorry I can stand Plymounths except Cudas. Ugly rear ends, and frequently ugly front ends too.
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

Ghoste

#46
October 04, 2007, 04:11:21 AM
Similar situation exists with the Coronet line.  Actually, all the Mopars if the one letter that changes is the engine indicator.  As for Plymouths being ugly, well, how about you and I just agree to disagree on that one. :icon_smile_wink:

70charger_boy

#47
October 04, 2007, 06:44:41 AM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on October 03, 2007, 08:00:42 AM


Sorry I can stand Plymounths except Cudas. Ugly rear ends, and frequently ugly front ends too.

:yesnod:

71gtx

#48
October 04, 2007, 09:12:50 AM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on October 03, 2007, 08:00:42 AM
amaizing how the prices change just FOR ONE LETTER... that's something I can't stand from Plymouths... same car with just a couple of trim upgrades and double the price. Same as different name just because a hood, a grill and some trim.

Sorry I can stand Plymounths except Cudas. Ugly rear ends, and frequently ugly front ends too.


like the 73 74 chagers Ugly rear ends, and  ugly front ends too. :eek2:   :nana:   a 71 gtx is ugly ?

Charger_Fan

#49
October 04, 2007, 01:23:34 PM
Quote from: 71gtx on October 04, 2007, 09:12:50 AM
 :nana:   a 71 gtx is ugly ?
Definitely not, especially this one! :drool5:


The Aquamax...yes, this bike spent 2 nights underwater one weekend. (Not my doing), but it gained the name, and has since become pseudo-famous. :)
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