EVER SEEN A CAR FROM BARRET JACKSON IN YOUR YOUR SHOP ??? LET ME TELL YOU !!!

[daytonalo]

A friend of a friend called me to take a look at a 66 327-350 Corvette conv , the car was just purchased in Palm beach for 60k. The car was advertised as to have gone through a frame off . It is in my shop because it wont return to idle quickly , and a raw fuel smell . The fuel smell is from the throttle shafts , worn and sloppy . He asked me to be honest about car , he knows what kind of work I send out of my shop , I replied , I told you to buy the Superbird , that said , I went over car , put up on lift , and was shocked . The last time the frame was off was in 66 , deteriorated body bushings rust on frame , wrong bolts everywhere , incorrect clamps , black spray paint all over frame , rusty calipers , and after test drive , I almost shit my paints . Keep in mind this is no Hemi car , its a 327-350 hp 4 speed , well I rolled out in first gear about 20 mph , stabbed it and the car in the ass shifted to the right ! I asked the passenger if he felt that and he said damn right ,I will put on lift to determine what is wrong . Will keep you posted . Larry

[Rolling_Thunder]

I had a BJ hemi roadrunner in the shop for an oil change...     apparently like something like 28,000 original miles...     yada yada yada...     i was not impressed...    looked sloppily put together (factory i guess) 

[69bronzeT5]

You almost sh*t your paints


He shoulda gotta Mopar

[RD]

is not BJ getting sued for misrepresentation?  I thought there was something on that.

sucks for your friend, he should have listened to you.

[daytonalo]

There is an old saying , MORE MONEY THAN BRAINS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Silver R/T]

well its an auction, most auctions you buy crap that's misrepresented, i.e. ebay.

[69bronzeT5]

well its an auction, most auctions you buy crap that's misrepresented, i.e. ebay.

, I bought a KISS Meets The Phantom Of The Park DVD off of Ebay and the guy didnt tell me but it was just a blank cd with the movie on it. It wasnt the actual movie, it was just a burned version. It still played though and I only paid like 1.50 for it so it dosent matter. BUT, I bought a Randy Rhoads custom neck plate off of Ebay for my guitar and it looked even better in person then it did in the pic. I was amazed by the quality and detail of the neckplate so that tells you even though people think Ebay is all scams, there are still good quality items on there.

[Charger1973]

well its an auction, most auctions you buy crap that's misrepresented, i.e. ebay.

, I bought a KISS Meets The Phantom Of The Park DVD off of Ebay and the guy didnt tell me but it was just a blank cd with the movie on it. It wasnt the actual movie, it was just a burned version. It still played though and I only paid like 1.50 for it so it dosent matter. BUT, I bought a Randy Rhoads custom neck plate off of Ebay for my guitar and it looked even better in person then it did in the pic. I was amazed by the quality and detail of the neckplate so that tells you even though people think Ebay is all scams, there are still good quality items on there.

Well thats illegal to burn copies of dvds and sell them, so if you really wanted to get your $1.50 back...   

[69bronzeT5]

well its an auction, most auctions you buy crap that's misrepresented, i.e. ebay.

, I bought a KISS Meets The Phantom Of The Park DVD off of Ebay and the guy didnt tell me but it was just a blank cd with the movie on it. It wasnt the actual movie, it was just a burned version. It still played though and I only paid like 1.50 for it so it dosent matter. BUT, I bought a Randy Rhoads custom neck plate off of Ebay for my guitar and it looked even better in person then it did in the pic. I was amazed by the quality and detail of the neckplate so that tells you even though people think Ebay is all scams, there are still good quality items on there.

Well thats illegal to burn copies of dvds and sell them, so if you really wanted to get your $1.50 back...   

Its just 1.50, its no big deal

[daytonalo]

Keep in mind guys , never , never forget what E-bay and Barret did for the hobby , Made it extremely hard for the non millionairs to continue in this hobby !!!!!!!!!!

[MadScientist]

I will say that I would never have been able to finish my car without ebay (at least not before my 2 year old goes to college!)  It made it quite a bit easier to find some of the 70-specific parts.  Granted you have to do your homework and have some control over your bidding, but all in all, Ive come out ahead using ebay. 

A few examples:

I got a 4 speed console complete and in cherry condition for $550 (ready to drop in), before they were repop-ing them.

I also got my cars sister (next serial VIN) for about what I paid for my first car.  I never wouldve had access to it otherwise.

But then again there is HLPAG.....

Oh well....

MS

[Ghoste]

As little use as I have for the warm and humble Mr. Jackson, I still have to say that crappy cars with shiny paint are typical auction fare and people should inspect a car as much as possible before it hits the block.  The previous owner is really the one who misrepresents the car since the auction house can only go by the information they are given.  If the house personally guaranteed the authenticity of a car only to have it not be as described, well, that's another story.

[jasonfromIKILLYA]

very true, but they have an under car camera.  I'm sure they are well aware of at least some of the bullcrap.  they look the other way and that's almost as bad

[Charger-Bodie]

im kinda guessin on this but its prob. they are not all crap some are probly close to perfect and some not.

[Old Moparz]

Hey Larry,

If in fact the Vette has been misrepresented, & it sounds that way by what you've seen, what will your friend consider doing about it? I'm mostly curious because I'd be pretty ticked off at being ripped off, & would be tracking down my lawyer to see what my options are. Whether it was $60K or just $6K, there's nothing good about another scumbag taking money from someone. I don't care if it's BJ, ebay, a consignment dealer, or any other middle-man type, there are laws that are in place to prevent theft & deception.

In my opinion, they are no different than a used car lot that sells junk. The seller, or the one representing the seller, should be fully responsible for the condition & description. If they don't want to be responsible, then they shouldn't be making a profit from it. I'm also tired of reading the line in an ad that states "I was told by the owner it's all original or fully restored" & when I see that, it's the red flag of bullshit. I hope your buddy contacts someone about the problem & pressures BJ somehow, but I doubt it'll do much good. With BJ's money & the sale in another state, it makes it difficult.

One more note about being in a different state. Sometimes a major part of the scam......I mean sale plan, is to be located in one particular state over another. Some states have very favorable laws that will be lenient to a scumbag seller, & they know that before going into business. Why set up shop in a state that will prosecute you quicker & easier?

Good luck to your friend.   

[dodgecharger-fan]

As little use as I have for the warm and humble Mr. Jackson, I still have to say that crappy cars with shiny paint are typical auction fare and people should inspect a car as much as possible before it hits the block.  The previous owner is really the one who misrepresents the car since the auction house can only go by the information they are given.  If the house personally guaranteed the authenticity of a car only to have it not be as described, well, that's another story.

Ah! But from what I've read, the deal with BJ nowadays is that you have to sign the car over to them - so technically they own it and are offering it up on the block.
That little trick was designed to allow the original owner of the car to bid to buy it back if the bids were not getting as high as expected. They just had to pay the auction fees and they got to take their car home again.... bj makes a buck no matter who takes the car home.

It seems that could turn on them in this case where they are now the seller and there's a concern over misrepresentation.

Who's got the bag of popcorn?


I hope your friend gets this sorted out. Good luck to him.

[Lostsheep_01]

I got you...

[Shakey]

A couple of things come to mind.

The first, something we as consumers were, or at least should have been, taught at a very young age - caveat emptor - let the buyer beware.

And second, if due dilligence is not taken when it comes to a purchase, whether it be $6.00 or $6,000,000.00 - a song by Led Zeppelin comes to mind - Nobody's Fault But Mine!

Blame can be shifted back and forth from the seller of the car to the auction house but in reality, if the fella that purchased the car didn't do his homework...well, see above.

[MadScientist]

yup 

[bull]

I would suspect this vehicle is the exception, not the rule. I personally know one guy who's put at least two cars through the BJ auction (a '69 Camaro RS/SS and a '71 Hemi Cuda) and they were both very well done.

[defiance]

Keep in mind guys , never , never forget what E-bay and Barret did for the hobby , Made it extremely hard for the non millionairs to continue in this hobby !!!!!!!!!!

Facilitating free trade does not cause prices to go up or down, it causes them to stabilize.  Before you could find some things dirt cheap and other things you simply couldn't locate.  Someone in a different location, meanwhile could find whatever you were looking for dirt cheap and has but can't find something else at all.  It was a disfunctional market.  Where I live, for example, 3rd gen b-bodies are near-nonexistent. 

When I started using ebay, the prices on some items went up, but other items I couldn't find AT ALL suddenly became available.

Free market is a huge part of the American way of life.  If you can't stand to see prices for rare parts and cars getting higher (supply and demand), you're going to be perpetually depressed!

[Old Moparz]

A couple of things come to mind.

The first, something we as consumers were, or at least should have been, taught at a very young age - caveat emptor - let the buyer beware.

And second, if due dilligence is not taken when it comes to a purchase, whether it be $6.00 or $6,000,000.00 - a song by Led Zeppelin comes to mind - Nobody's Fault But Mine!

Blame can be shifted back and forth from the seller of the car to the auction house but in reality, if the fella that purchased the car didn't do his homework...well, see above.

I agree with this as well. I'd never buy a car for a substantial amount of money without looking at it personally. I'm not talking about a $500 parts car, but then I've seen parts cars that aren't worth buying either. There are those people that purposely deceive others for their own gain, which I believe is the point of this thread. Doing your own homework before a purchase should be the process, but there are times that even when you know what you are looking at, the seller has been blatantly dishonest. Unless you disassemble the car, which even an honest seller wouldn't allow, you just won't know.

If a claim about a product is made, whether it's a frame off restoration on a Vette or a carton of milk with an expiration date, the buyer should have the right to return it for a refund if it's been misrepresented.

[daytonalo]

Again , more money than brains syndrome ! Also I figure his interpretation of nice and my opinion are on two different pages . These high roller types have big f----ing egos , the know it all !!!!!!!! Oh well lesson learned , that hard way . I don't see this car bringing what he paid on resale again , that is if the car is accurately descibed .Larry

[hemihead]

Oh well, I can't feel sorry for the non-automotive investor types that go to the BJ auctions.I guess he will just have to take a loss.Should have stuck his money in the stock market. Like the saying goes " a fool and his money soon part".

[BigBlockSam]

I would never have been able to finish my car without ebay   

me too.