this dukes of hazzard stuff has gotten really nuts anymore...

[69chargeryeehaa]

 

     As far as the Dukes being detrimental to the 69 Charger, that point has been beaten to death here. but here it goes. I agree the movie did use up what has now become a valuable resource, and that doesn't sit well with me, but the show used some 250 10-15 year old used cars which, if left alone to the natural rate of attrition...mechanical failure, accidents, rot, etc....how many would be left today some 25 years later? How many were wrecked by drunken teens in the 70's/80's who couldn't handle a car with skinnies up front and the rear jacked so high the headlights were useless. Really, 250 cars...out of 89,000....EIGHTYNINE THOUSAND!!!! Do the math...the fact that they're hard to get is because they're so popular, not the fact that there are 250 less because of some show.....and please, enjoy you cornflakes. 
   

Do the math? OK, you tell me how many are left out of EIGHTYNINE THOUSAND. Are you serious? Get your head out of the sand or your ass whichever applies. 250 less because of the show right? How many more for the movie? The pictures of the many 68's and 69's in a recent issue of Mopar Collectors Guide just waiting to be destroyed litterally sickens me and if you really are a fan of the Dodge Charger you would be sickened too. What we enjoy is a non-renewable resource and I don't care how many parts YEAR ONE has on their shelves. When a car is gone it's gone. Also take into account the possability of sequels and how many cars they will chew up. You said "How many would be left today some 25 years later" Are serious? By your own admission mechanical failure, accidents, rot, etc. are eating away at our numbers on a daily basis. We don't need Hollywood reducing our numbers just to put asses in the seats. Besides, is time standing still for you? I don't think so. Another 25 years will pass since our cars were born before you know it. As a fan and hobbyist I will not fill Hollywood coffers. To me it's the same as watching a terrorist kill a family member in front of me and paying him for doing so. Forget the cornflakes pal. After reading your post the glass bowl the cornflakes come in would make a better meal.

dude you are full of hate, i actually feel sorry for you, it's comments and your infinite wisdom which actually make me NOT want to have anything to do with this board.  you probabally don't even have a mopar, now i really need that push bar, if i ever see you on the road.   in reality people restoring any charger be it a general or stock are preserving the car, it's only paint, a bolt on pushbar, antenna, and some stickers/painted #'s and flag, it is not chopping the car or adding a hood scoop like you probabally have on your car.  you need to take a chill pill, your hatred to fellow members is REALLY not wanted,  keep your verbal diarrhea to yourself.    (where's the flip the finger emoticon when you need it? )

[TripleBlackGator]

dude you are full of hate, i actually feel sorry for you, it's comments and your infinite wisdom which actually make me NOT want to have anything to do with this board.  you probabally don't even have a mopar, now i really need that push bar, if i ever see you on the road.   in reality people restoring any charger be it a general or stock are preserving the car, it's only paint, a bolt on pushbar, antenna, and some stickers/painted #'s and flag, it is not chopping the car or adding a hood scoop like you probabally have on your car.  you need to take a chill pill, your hatred to fellow members is REALLY not wanted,  keep your verbal diarrhea to yourself.    (where's the flip the finger emoticon when you need it? )

Lord where do I start? Full of hate? I don't think so. At least I'm not the one threatening to run someone off the road if I see them. A person like that is truly hateful. Your making assumptions about what I may own and how it's equipped without knowing the facts. As far as my "infinite wisdom" well,  how can I not feel smart after seeing your butchering of the written word. No capitalization what so ever and try changing some of those commas into periods. Maybe then you'll have infinite wisdom as well. Then again, maybe not. Yeeeeehaaaaaaaa!!!

[THE COLONEL]

People look and tell me not to make a General Lee out of a Dodge Charger. Not just mine, but any Charger. Their response most of the time is they say how many Chargers the Dukes ruined, and not to do it. But then I tell them this. The Dukes used approx.300 some Chargers. There were 17 from the show left...and now a couple others but that's a different story. Being there were no 1970 Chargers used on the show, if you take the total production numbers of Chargers produced from 1968 & 1969, that makes the Dukes responsible for destroying less the 1% of all Chargers made in those two years.  Our hobby is now saving these cars now with how popular it has become again. It might have not been that great of a Charger until I restored it because of the Dukes of Hazzard.

Also, if you want to criticize people for destroying Chargers, go tell the people that let them sit for years under a tree, uncovered, and say they won't sell it because they want to restore it someday, and then chase you off their property with a shotgun. And then guess what....five years later the car is sitting in the same place. Those are the jagoffs destroying the cars....not us in the dukes hobby.  Our hobby is now saving them.  It is just paint and a few other items that can be taken off in minutes. 

Here's one for ya!  There is still a 69 Cornet sitting beside a house not far from me, and about 10 years ago, it was very restorable, as I stopped to inquire about it.  Well the answer was "I'm going to restore it" ........ and I just saw it again yesterday, and lets just say, it is a lot worse now and hasn't moved.

[TripleBlackGator]

People look and tell me not to make a General Lee out of a Dodge Charger. Not just mine, but any Charger. Their response most of the time is they say how many Chargers the Dukes ruined, and not to do it. But then I tell them this. The Dukes used approx.300 some Chargers. There were 17 from the show left...and now a couple others but that's a different story. Being there were no 1970 Chargers used on the show, if you take the total production numbers of Chargers produced from 1968 & 1969, that makes the Dukes responsible for destroying less the 1% of all Chargers made in those two years.  Our hobby is now saving these cars now with how popular it has become again. It might have not been that great of a Charger until I restored it because of the Dukes of Hazzard.

Also, if you want to criticize people for destroying Chargers, go tell the people that let them sit for years under a tree, uncovered, and say they won't sell it because they want to restore it someday, and then chase you off their property with a shotgun. And then guess what....five years later the car is sitting in the same place. Those are the jagoffs destroying the cars....not us in the dukes hobby.  Our hobby is now saving them.  It is just paint and a few other items that can be taken off in minutes. 

Here's one for ya!  There is still a 69 Cornet sitting beside a house not far from me, and about 10 years ago, it was very restorable, as I stopped to inquire about it.  Well the answer was "I'm going to restore it" ........ and I just saw it again yesterday, and lets just say, it is a lot worse now and hasn't moved.

Point taken Colonel. I am not opposed to people turning their cars into GL's. Hey, it's a free country. I also agree that I would rather see that then have them sit and rot. I do stand by my dislike for the show and the movies though and don't forget the Dukes of Hazzard movie was made recently so our hobby is NOT saving them as much as you think and as much as I would like.  Do I hate the people that clone them? No. I still reserve the right to laugh out loud when I see one. Especially anything other than a '69 but that '69 will also get my head-a-shakin!

[THE COLONEL]

Everyone has their opinions, and are entitled to them for sure.  Most of us fans do not like to see original cars made into General Lee's or anything else for that matter if it's original, and some of us are not crazy about a General Lee being jumped every year either, because as you said, it is the demise of another Charger.  But in the end it is all about the almighty buck...something that none of us have no control over.

[genlee1970]

 

     As far as the Dukes being detrimental to the 69 Charger, that point has been beaten to death here. but here it goes. I agree the movie did use up what has now become a valuable resource, and that doesn't sit well with me, but the show used some 250 10-15 year old used cars which, if left alone to the natural rate of attrition...mechanical failure, accidents, rot, etc....how many would be left today some 25 years later? How many were wrecked by drunken teens in the 70's/80's who couldn't handle a car with skinnies up front and the rear jacked so high the headlights were useless. Really, 250 cars...out of 89,000....EIGHTYNINE THOUSAND!!!! Do the math...the fact that they're hard to get is because they're so popular, not the fact that there are 250 less because of some show.....and please, enjoy you cornflakes. 
   

Do the math? OK, you tell me how many are left out of EIGHTYNINE THOUSAND. Are you serious? Get your head out of the sand or your ass whichever applies. 250 less because of the show right? How many more for the movie? The pictures of the many 68's and 69's in a recent issue of Mopar Collectors Guide just waiting to be destroyed litterally sickens me and if you really are a fan of the Dodge Charger you would be sickened too. What we enjoy is a non-renewable resource and I don't care how many parts YEAR ONE has on their shelves. When a car is gone it's gone. Also take into account the possability of sequels and how many cars they will chew up. You said "How many would be left today some 25 years later" Are serious? By your own admission mechanical failure, accidents, rot, etc. are eating away at our numbers on a daily basis. We don't need Hollywood reducing our numbers just to put asses in the seats. Besides, is time standing still for you? I don't think so. Another 25 years will pass since our cars were born before you know it. As a fan and hobbyist I will not fill Hollywood coffers. To me it's the same as watching a terrorist kill a family member in front of me and paying him for doing so. Forget the cornflakes pal. After reading your post the glass bowl the cornflakes come in would make a better meal.

I really think that you're missing my point. If you re-read my post you'll see that I said that the movie using more chargers "doesn't sit well with me." The thought of another sequel doesn't sit well either. And, I've often stated on this board that instead of  jumping Generals every year, they could stage some sort of stunt driving/pursuit type of show for entertainment at the Dukes Fest events, no jumps, just a high speed slalom.  I in no way support the continued destruction of cars. I have no idea how many are left of the 89,000. My point was that statistically a small percentage were destroyed 25 years ago, before many of us were even able to drive. It doesn't make it right but....how many 318 cars were saved from rotting in a field by someone who wanted to build a GL clone, or not, but liked chargers in the first place because of the show when they were kids, and wanted to restore/hot rod/restomod one as an adult?  Any reason to save a charger is a good one, even if it means cranked up torsion bars and 22 inch spinner bling wheels.
   No, time does not stand still for me. I'm very aware of it, that's why I drive my car as often as I can, weather permitting, because like the car, when a person is gone, he/she is gone as well. I've racked up over 20,000 miles in the last 3 seasons, and loved every minute of it. I've driven it to The Year One experience, The Power Tour, Dukes fest,The Nats twice and Carlisle 3 times. It's about enjoying the cars, and I hope to still be driving the wheels off mine in another 25 years, hopefully with the paint and decals intact. 
    People have different tastes, and like you said you reserve the right to laugh at every General Lee that you see. I think the reason you pissed people off today is because you were generaliziing about the intelligence and cultural background of those who drive GL clones, not to mention thier motives for clonig the car in the first place. Wear a t-shirt that says "I Hate General Lee Clones" to every mopar show if you so choose,no problem, but if you verbally attack and stereotype those who choose to add paint and decals to thier Charger, then be prepared for some backlash. Hence the cornflake comment, you just seemed way too angry at people considering it was only 8 am. Anyway, I hope that clears the air a little and we can go back to enjoying this thread.
  Oh, and for the record, the only one who laughs at a girl with breast implants and thinks she looks ridiculous is some miseralble, fat/ugly chick who's jealous..or said fat/ugly chicks poor husband, if he knows what's good for him. Sorry, but that was a poor analogy, man. Hey, I've got an idea.  C'mon guys, lets all go down to the nudy bar and give those poor women with implants some dollar bills so they can go buy some self esteem. Too funny. C'mon man, laugh a little. It feels good.
     

[TylerCharger69]

I think some people should just take a Midol  and go to bed.....there's no reason to begin a pissing contest with each other here.  If you have a Charger  and you want to make it into a General Lee.....go for it....if you don't...then do it how you want to....it's your car....if somebody wants to ridicule another because of the GL graphics...well...consider the source.   At least these cars are being resurrected into something.   Now....crack open a beer....sit back....relax.   Some people are taking this topic overboard!!!

[TripleBlackGator]

Angry? Who me? Nah. Maybe I wasn't fully awake at 8am so let's try 4am. OK? Maybe laughing out loud was a bit much but myself and others (yes I am not alone) do find the whole GL cloning amusing. Sorry but if I'm being honest I do. Yes your saving a Charger, I guess you can call it saving. I do enjoy the '69's that are dead ringers for the TV show but anything else is just well....you know. Hey, if it make anyone feel better I'm not a big fan of Foosed Mopars either.
  Now about the women with implants. I DO laugh and point. Hey that's what they want right? ATTENTION. They see the other well endowed women (read: GL Clones) getting all the attention so they get their implants (read: orange paint and decals) not only to get the attention themselves but take it away from the other women (read:  regular 'ole Chargers) as well.
  Now where's that cereal bowl, cornflakes and Midol.  I'm hungry.

[THE COLONEL]

 

[genlee1970]

Angry? Who me? Nah. Maybe I wasn't fully awake at 8am so let's try 4am. OK? Maybe laughing out loud was a bit much but myself and others (yes I am not alone) do find the whole GL cloning amusing. Sorry but if I'm being honest I do. Yes your saving a Charger, I guess you can call it saving. I do enjoy the '69's that are dead ringers for the TV show but anything else is just well....you know. Hey, if it make anyone feel better I'm not a big fan of Foosed Mopars either.
  Now about the women with implants. I DO laugh and point. Hey that's what they want right? ATTENTION. They see the other well endowed women (read: GL Clones) getting all the attention so they get their implants (read: orange paint and decals) not only to get the attention themselves but take it away from the other women (read:  regular 'ole Chargers) as well.
  Now where's that cereal bowl, cornflakes and Midol.  I'm hungry.

Whoa!! I think I like the 4 am TipleBlackGator much better...kinder and gentler blah, blah, blah.

Like I said, laugh all you want, I can handle it. I get enough thumbs up/praise from the majority so it all balances out. Just don't pretend to know me or what I stand for based on the car I choose to build. Are we cool? Good. See that wasn't so hard.

In the purest sense, I agree, all GL clones should be 69's to be effectively called a clone. When I purchased my 70 R/T in 1999,(oh, I can just hear another rant coming ) I had no intention of making a GL. That thought came as I was blocksanding the body in '03. It was supposed to be a FT6 medium tan car,white stripe and top, brown interior. When I got it, the car had been totally dissasembled, basically stripped of all useful parts and the drivetrain was long gone. Anyway, I wasn't sure how I'd like the GL treatment so rather than spend $1,500 to reskin, I tried the painted bumper. It's not 100% correct, and most non Mopar people don't know the difference but if they ask I'll admit it to them. In fact there are very few GL clones that are really "correct" anyway: no vinyl top trim, black interiors, wrong wheels, orange engine compartments.... They're all slightly different, and it's all good. That's what makes this sector of the Mopar hobby so cool. For the most part we're a pretty relaxed, laidback, and forgiving bunch. Anyway, at this point I have no regrets about building a GL "clone", or should I say facsimile, and should I ever get the desire to  have a brown and white , factory style resto like the endless row of them at Carlise, then I still have the door scoops,white top and stripe kit, new in the packaging.

As far as the breast implant analogy, I stand corrected. It does make sense when you put it that way....however I've found that ridicule makes for a poor pick up line.
I prefer that a woman have real ones,  but it's the quality of the person behind the siilicone/saline that counts. If it makes them feel better to get out of bed in the morning, and doesn't hurt themselves or others...... Bottom line, it's my car and thier body. Anyway, do you like beer on your cornflakes?     Take care.      Al

[TylerCharger69]

Hmmmm...I'm trying to have a concrete definition of a GL clone...In all actuality...the main General Lee items to make it a clone are....the correct graphics kit...of course,  depending on the season, cross flags behind the decklid or not,  there were 4 different shades of orange used,  some darker than others...10 spoke Vector rims...various sizes, pick one.  The Grille guard or "pushbar" on the front, depending on season  the small one, or the wider one,  the roll bar, which most were mock ups made out of exhaust tubing except for the serious stunt cars which had full roll cages,  some were R/Ts   some were not.  As far as interior, there is no set standard for color as   some had tan, sandlewood, black, white, brown interiors...and probably a few other colors.  They used '68 through '70 cars, therefore any one of these years can be considered to be a clone.   It's the General Lee....there is not set "cloning" way of doing it since there are so many different configurations that were used.  Yes...the '69 is the proper car.  Vectors are mandatory.  push bar mandatory.  Correct graphics...mandatory  CB antenna...mandatory.   All other differences have no significance.  And....for the record....I DO like that '70 with the orange painted nose cone.   It's still a General Lee and I think it was a job well done.

[THE COLONEL]

Hmmmm...I'm trying to have a concrete definition of a GL clone...In all actuality...the main General Lee items to make it a clone are....the correct graphics kit...of course,  depending on the season, cross flags behind the decklid or not,  there were 4 different shades of orange used,  some darker than others...10 spoke Vector rims...various sizes, pick one.  The Grille guard or "pushbar" on the front, depending on season  the small one, or the wider one,  the roll bar.  They used '68 through '70 cars, therefore any one of these years can be considered to be a clone.

I agree.  There is not really one correct General Lee replica.  Most of them are all close, but they varied so much on the show as you stated, that most of us take what we like from the different years and put it together.  Some have the later sereis Generals, with a small push bar and such, ect.  One thing is, they never used a 70 Charger, they were all 68's & 69's, as it would have been to much work for them to swap out the front clip.

[genlee1970]

Hmmmm...I'm trying to have a concrete definition of a GL clone...In all actuality...the main General Lee items to make it a clone are....the correct graphics kit...of course,  depending on the season, cross flags behind the decklid or not,  there were 4 different shades of orange used,  some darker than others...10 spoke Vector rims...various sizes, pick one.  The Grille guard or "pushbar" on the front, depending on season  the small one, or the wider one,  the roll bar, which most were mock ups made out of exhaust tubing except for the serious stunt cars which had full roll cages,  some were R/Ts   some were not.  As far as interior, there is no set standard for color as   some had tan, sandlewood, black, white, brown interiors...and probably a few other colors.  They used '68 through '70 cars, therefore any one of these years can be considered to be a clone.   It's the General Lee....there is not set "cloning" way of doing it since there are so many different configurations that were used.  Yes...the '69 is the proper car.  Vectors are mandatory.  push bar mandatory.  Correct graphics...mandatory  CB antenna...mandatory.   All other differences have no significance.  And....for the record....I DO like that '70 with the orange painted nose cone.   It's still a General Lee and I think it was a job well done.

I know what you're saying, and, obviously,  I'm  not the least bit anal about the "correctness" thing. Besides mine being a 70, I have the late graphics and push bar and the crossed flags on the back, a first season only feature. Why? Because I like them. I also have the darker brown interior which was most often associated with the earlier seasons. True, there were many discrpencies between the cars, show to show, and year to year. However, when I think of a true "clone", and this is what I was getting at in my last post, I always refer back to the article in Mopar Collectors Guide, July 01, where this dude copied one of the survivng close up Generals,right down to the hose clamps and plug wires. I think that particular closeup car was used in the 82-83 season until the end of filming. Check out the article, it's a good read and the guy really went nuts to get it right, no, make that exact.
   Like I said in my last post, it's all good. It's about having fun with the car, which we all seem to do. I've been to Dukes Fest 05 and Carlisle and have hung with some of the fine folks from the CGLFC as well as the NAGLFC and met many other fans and GL owners.  I have to say they were all quality people and I've made some friends whom I talk with every year. You guys (and gals) are the best.
   Anyway, thanks again for the kind words about my car. It means so much coming from fellow enthusiasts.
Btw, your engine bay looks super sanitary, especially the wiring. Ever go to Carlisle?

[Lowprofile]

Man, this correctness thing is starting to worry me.............. My plans for my 70 R/T were to put a Porsche Engine/trans-axle in the trunk area and use the engine bay for my kickin'sound system, some 22" all around, a big ole' Whale Tail out back................

[DarkAngel0816]

I am a woman...my boobs are real...and my 1970 Charger will be a General Lee clone one day.    

In all seriousness...it is like I have told people around here...until they pay my car payment on the Charger...they have no say on what the correct thing is.  I know I will get slack from the mopar fans for it is a tragedy with some to do a clone...and I know with some of the GL people they will give me slack for I do not plan to have it one hundred percent like the GL.  (I refuse to change my front grill).  But it is my car...it is only paint...and I am going to have fun with it. 

I refuse to get implants though...  lol  And hell I already get slack from some guys for BEING a woman who owns a Charger.

[TripleBlackGator]

I am a woman...my boobs are real.

You single?

[LivedodgeItaly]

...well,
where's the problem in being a woman and owning a charger?
I'm still only dreaming on it (charger)
as usual, aprreciated pics of your street machine...!

Best Regards
Andrea

[THE COLONEL]

Here is something I say to people when they tell me about The Colonel.  It's not even really Dukes related, but it still works when someone tries to pick your car apart.  Most of the time we ask...."well, where is yours....ect.  I politely tell them that, "I'm sorry I didn't spend my money, on my car, to build it how you want it."  That ends the conversation right there.  We have one local guy at a cruise (every week) take a different person around with him, and he explanis these cars to his friend saying...Oh, this one is full of bondo and such.  He annoys quite a few people.

[itchyballs]

man i didnt think this was going to get this kind of response! i am not at all bashing the dukes. believe me i am into it as much as anyone but there are some of these guys that are so wrapped up  into this i dont think they know what reality is anymore and you have the ones who will go around and tell everyone they have the best general lee out there and it is perfect( i wont mention any  names here).then you have the ones who are just in it to make a buck who are charging people money to have their pics taken next to a car. what in the world is that all about?i think you have to be a real low life to do that to someone especially some little kid  that gets so excited to see the car and just wants a pic to remember it.those were my points about all of this. its fun and all by for cryin out loud it was JUST a tv show!!!

[Blakcharger440]

Not that I like any of the dukies clone cars out there but each to there own.
I have heard many times that they did use a couple of modified 70 Chargers as generals.

[TylerCharger69]

GenLee.....no  I've never gone to Carlisle.   I've only entered this car in two different shows, not including cruise-ins.    It took people's choice both times.....I like an engine I can practically  eat off of....lol

[Jon Smith]

the 70 sport satellite is a guy in the UK who uses it a a hire car, it's good for business.

[Mike DC]

       
Yeah, the DOH wrecked/wrecks Chargers.  Yeah, it also inspires people to restore them.

Yeah, it's a corny old show and the earlier pre-GL public image of Chargers was more "serious."  But most of the younger public regards the GL right up there with the Bullitt & DMCL cars. 

Yeah, "Dukesfest" should stop wrecking Chargers.  And yeah, most of the DOH diehards actually agree about that.  But yeah, the DF event is a corporate thing and the diehards don't control what it does.

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[genlee1970]

I am a woman...my boobs are real...and my 1970 Charger will be a General Lee clone one day.    

In all seriousness...it is like I have told people around here...until they pay my car payment on the Charger...they have no say on what the correct thing is.  I know I will get slack from the mopar fans for it is a tragedy with some to do a clone...and I know with some of the GL people they will give me slack for I do not plan to have it one hundred percent like the GL.  (I refuse to change my front grill).  But it is my car...it is only paint...and I am going to have fun with it. 

I refuse to get implants though...  lol  And hell I already get slack from some guys for BEING a woman who owns a Charger.

Go for it Darkangel, I'm behind you all the way. Share the pics when it's done...or how bout some progress shots.

I can't imagine what type of guy would give you slack for owning a Charger. Enlighten us. I think we all want to know...so we can administer a sound beating....er...I mean, educate the ignorant lad on the error of his ways.

[DarkAngel0816]

LOL!  As for being single...well halfway not to being single anymore.  lol  We shall see what he decides to do.

I have had it in the past where I have met people who have had Chargers and they right away assumed it was my boyfriends.  Than when I told them no I do not have a boyfriend and it was mine...it was like right away they clammed up on talking to me.

BUT majority of the time guys do like the fact that I the Charger and I have met some awesome ones that have helped me out along the way.  Just a random few I have had that have been not so nice you know?  Like I was infringing in a guy thing...but I grew up a tomboy...always loved cars...the Dukes show made me appreciate the look of a Charger and I always thought it was a killer looking car. A tough car.  So when I decided to buy a classic...I had to go with the Charger.  I have had the car over a year now...plan to really start working on it this Fall and I will definitely share pictures with all.