why dose every one want a 2 gen charger.......

[BrianShaughnessy]

I've seen 84 omni's that would smoke any stock 2nd gen. Yeah thats right.

Who cares? At the end of the day, he's still driving an Omni that I can guarantee nobody looks at, while I have a '70 Charger sitting in my garage. 

84 and up GLHs might go like hell but they're only worth about $6 to anybody but enthunisasts whose numbers are dwindling.   Repro stuff is almost non existant and factory parts are pretty much dried up.   The boneyards don't keep much of that stuff around anymore.
Those base omni's were great little disposable commuter cars for their time.    Trying to keep those on the road (up in this area) is neverending nickel and diming to the death anymore.  I had several turbo Shelby Daytonas before and it was pretty much the same thing.  

I'll stick with my 69 thank you  

[73chgrSE]

I'll stick with my 69 thank you  

I don't blame you but some 2nd gen guys are always on this "performance high horse" like no one else can build a fast car. My point was any car can be made fast. And if someone prefers a 1st or 3rd gen instead for looks alone, stock HP #'s are meaningless.

[Ghoste]

As to my statements about the party being over, I did not say that the musclecar era ended because they built a 70 Charger.  Where did you get that from???   I said the party was over and it was.  1970 was pretty much the final year that all the domestic mfg's threw their weight into the supercars.  By 71 everything was being phased out.  Race budgets were cut, compression ratios were slashed and performance was generally downplayed.  The fact that Chrylser offered a Hemi in 71 notwithstanding, the party was ending.   Mopar was just the guy who turns out the lights being the last one to leave.  Yes, they continued to offer "performance" cars right on up to today but to say the 2nd gen Charger is in the middle of the musclecar era is not really accurate.  It came along at the end of that era.
As to saying that because they built more cars overall in 1969 means they offered more high performance engine options (your original statement), is also wrong.
They built more 69's so they also built more 318's. If you do a little digging, you'll find that in 68, 69, and 70 almost half of the Chargers made came with 318's.  For 66 and 67, the 318 numbers come closer to a third.  By the time the third gens come along, the number of 318 cars swings much more sharply into being the primary engine choice (because the party was over).

[Shakey]

How can anyone say that the 1970 Charger started the demise of the muscle car era?   

[TylerCharger69]

I don't think it did....The muscle car era  was pretty much over after '73.    If memory serves....'64 thru '73 was the official muscle car era  and I believe that the '64  Pontiac GTO was the first car to be considered "muscle"

[Lord Warlock]

The 64 goat was considered one of the first "musclecars" but it wasn't the first muscle of the era, the chrysler 300 cars starting in 1956-64 were known to be the beginning of the true muscle cars.  They were 2 doors and had a big powerful motor.  The 64 buick riviera was also considered muscle car but was highly optioned as were the chrysler 300s.  The goat was the first cheap, stripped down to the bones car designed for track use and street use. 

Anyway, the muscle car era went from 64-73, and was finally ended by high insurance, lower compression motors, and the death of the hemi/big blocks.  People hadn't begun to "leave the party" in 1970, that is more the case with 72, and by late 73 it was more or less over. 

[69Chrgr]

I like first, second and third gen Chargers. I happen to like 2nd gen's the best, however I always turn my head whenever I see any from 66 thru 73 models. I love my 69, it was always my dream car as a boy. First one I saw was a black one in a muscle car museum in 1984 in Tennessee. It definetly however was not because of the Dukes of Hazard as I think(please don't throw rocks here) when everyone paints one as a General Lee they dilute the cars reputation.

[FastbackJon]

Wait a second, everyone wants a 2 gen Charger??

Mustangs, camaros, chevelles, roadrunners, novas are all more popular I believe in the public opinion. You see way more restored mustangs at shows than Chargers and they built way more Mustangs or to begin with because more people wanted them. Does this mean the Mustang is the best musclecar ever? Not one bit. People have their own differing opinions on what they like and what they can relate to.

[Ghoste]

If you don't think folks were leaving the party after 1970, how do you explain the plummeting compression ratios, lack of high performance engine options, and the almost overnight elimination of race budgets by all of the big three?  In 1971, Chrysler was the only one clinging to the supercar, but then, some (not me) would argue they were late arriving at the party.

[Lord Warlock]

Plummeting compression ratios (didn't really plummet dropped from 10.5 to 1 down to 8.5 to 1, due to epa standards, pollution control standards, and the change from leaded gas to unleaded.  Lower hp figures: due to different measurement standards from gross (flywheel) hp to Net hp ratings or rwhp ratings. 71 had the Boss 351 from ford, hardly a regression away from power, also had the torino cobra, ford bought out shelby in 69/70 so those stopped, chevy had the 71/2/3 SS chevelles which were plenty muscular, GTOs were still being built until 74, Trans Ams continued, as did camaros, and the camaro/firebirds really didn't come into their own until 71-73, but they had the 72 HO formula firebird, 73 transam 455.  Mustang changed body styles to the mustang II in 74 and did not have a v8 initially so that was when ford left the party. 

In most cases, the cars just got heavier and larger due to demands of the public and crappy designers, and then the oil crisis of 73 caused detroit to focus on smaller more economical cars.  I was around back then and into cars although not buying them yet, the party was still in full swing until 73, but the party got raided by beaurocrats in 74 and really didn't start again until 82 when ford advertised "the boss is back" with the 82 5.0 GT stang. (which i owned)

Rising Gas prices really wasn't a factor until 78 when they first hit a dollar a gallon, I remember buying 50 cent a gallon gas in 76.  I'm sure some of the older members here can back me up.  The party was far from over in 70, just as it started well before the goat came out in 64.  (my dad owned a chrysler 300-J with a long tube ram induction 413 motor in 63)

[Lowprofile]

I am a big fan of 3rd Gen Chargers..........I would love to have one just like this in my driveway!

[Ghoste]

I was around back then too but not buying yet.  How many of those muscular early 70's cars were selling?  How about compared to their late 60's counterparts?

[Lord Warlock]

In 1974 I went to a dodge dealership here in Jacksonville Florida and they still had a brand new orange Superbird 440 six pack 4spd they were trying to get rid of for 3000.00.  They had kept it on the showroom floor as an attention grabber, but the day i saw it it was on the lot, with 15 miles on the odometer. The public just wasn't buying the big motored winged thingies in 74.  (i got my license in 76) I tried to convince my dad to get it...fat chance. 

[Shakey]

So the 1970 Chargers didn't cause the gas crisis?

[Ghoste]

All musclecars caused the first gas crisis.  SUV's caused the latest one. 

[Supercharged Riot]

my reasons is because the 68 charger is the Blade mobile

[topduarte]

As to my statements about the party being over, I did not say that the musclecar era ended because they built a 70 Charger.  Where did you get that from???   I said the party was over and it was.  1970 was pretty much the final year that all the domestic mfg's threw their weight into the supercars.  By 71 everything was being phased out.  Race budgets were cut, compression ratios were slashed and performance was generally downplayed.  The fact that Chrylser offered a Hemi in 71 notwithstanding, the party was ending.   Mopar was just the guy who turns out the lights being the last one to leave.  Yes, they continued to offer "performance" cars right on up to today but to say the 2nd gen Charger is in the middle of the musclecar era is not really accurate.  It came along at the end of that era.
As to saying that because they built more cars overall in 1969 means they offered more high performance engine options (your original statement), is also wrong.
They built more 69's so they also built more 318's. If you do a little digging, you'll find that in 68, 69, and 70 almost half of the Chargers made came with 318's.  For 66 and 67, the 318 numbers come closer to a third.  By the time the third gens come along, the number of 318 cars swings much more sharply into being the primary engine choice (because the party was over).

One more thing is that 1st gens did not come with a slant 6, Those powerful slant 6's were saved for the 2nd gens.

[BlueSS454]

the reason every body wants a 2 gen charger is simple,they are the most beautiful car ever made,even ford and Chevy guys like them.if you did a poll on a non mopar related site and asked people which car looks better,the 1 st gen,2 gen or 3 gen i can promise you it wouldn't even be close.

I agree 100%.  I own 4 Chevelles and 1 Charger.  I have my 2 favorite cars of all time, 70 SS Chevelle and a 69 Charger.  I know my way around Chevy powered vehicles alot more than Mopars,but I don't limit myself to them.  The second gen. Charger is a kick ass car, period.  I'm going to try doing a poll on a non Mopar Site I frequent and see what they think.

[DarkAngel0816]

All musclecars caused the first gas crisis.  SUV's caused the latest one. 

Soccer Mom's who drive SUV's caused the latest one.

[hemihead]

There never was or there is not now a " Gas Crisis"  it's just plain old fashioned greed.   

[Ghoste]

I think we were all three just kidding.

[rt green]

why does everyone want a 2nd gen charger..... well lets see. they are cool as hell, they go like hell, they have good resale value, you get looks more than a gold digging woman looking at a bmw, and you can still light a cigarette with a match going 7o mph down the freeway with the drivers window down. gee, is this really a question?

[79LilRed]

All musclecars caused the first gas crisis.  SUV's caused the latest one. 

Soccer Mom's who drive SUV's caused the latest one.

Must be the Indiana drivers. 

[Hemidoug]

Well, when it came down to choosing between 2nd gen and 3rd gen I couldn't make up my mind....so I got one of each! Took almost 20 years, and I still can't make up my mind!

[BMOTOXSTAR]

Yo, 3rd gen man !