Where the "Coke Bottle" comes from:

[Brock Samson]

I know you probably don't care cause it's another one of my pointless posts..
unless you wonder why cars and planes look like sexy women.. 





another great pic.. I love this plane! 









The Air Force selection of Convair over Boeing was not a blanket endorsement of the MX-1964 design. It took several months and many consultations between Convair, National Advisory Committee on Aeronautics, AMC, ARDC, and Wright Air Development Center personnel to settle on a definite configuration which, as it turned out, was subjected to many later revisions. These initial delays were not unfounded. Development problems with the Convair F-102 interceptor were confirming the Air Force's suspicion that the contractor had failed to make proper allowance for the aerodynamic drag of a delta-wing aircraft, be it a fighter or a bomber. Moreover, the area-rule concept of aircraft design," discovered by National Advisory Committee on Aeronautics researcher Richard T. Whitcomb, had been verified during December 1952 in the agency's new transonic wind tunnels. This concept held that interference drag at transonic speed depended almost entirely on the distribution of the aircraft's total cross sectional area along the direction of flight. The solution was to indent the fuselage over the wing to equalize the cross section areas (and thus the volume) at all stations, thereby producing the so-called "coke bottle" or "wasp waist" configuration. Yet, as in the F-102's case, Convair did not accept the Whitcomb findings until its own engineers had confirmed their validity. Another delaying factor was the absence of military characteristics, which were deferred until the fall of 1953.

from an excellent website on the B-58 Hustler...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-58.htm

[Lowprofile]

I love that plane.....one of my favorites!  Look at the nose of a B1-B........the B-58 Lives on!!!

[Brock Samson]

ya know Low the swing wings of the f-111 and the B-1 was the awnser to the problems of supersonic dash performance Vs. low speed requirements...

[Lowprofile]

Someday, we should all get together and go out to the Airplane graveyard, outside Tuscon, AZ  [I Think?]  Lots of great planes just sitting around.....


    http://www.airliners.net/


Lots of photos of the "junkyard"   

[konigcharger]

aint that the graveyard near Davis Mothan AFB? aircraft gotta be my 2nd favorite hobby 

[73ChargerSE]

There is a graveyard on the base, it's further east than the main things (BX, etc.)  I live about a mile away from the base, and my school is about 1/2 mile straight north from the graveyard.  There's also a privately owned junkyard south of the base that a company in Cali makes tables and stuff out of the wings and other parts.  Near the base is all the junkyards that are in Tucson 

[Lowprofile]

ya know Low the swing wings of the f-111 and the B-1 was the awnser to the problems of supersonic dash performance Vs. low speed requirements...

Makes sense....... I would guess the F-14 is part of that family. 

[Drache]

For aircraft the F-14 is my all time favorite and for helos is the AH-64 Apache. 

[Brock Samson]

that f-14 is pretty long in the tooth now...
they gonna replace it or upgrade it?..


  http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-14-variants.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-14-pics.htm

[Drache]

that f-14 is pretty long in the tooth now...
they gonna replace it or upgrade it?..

They planned on replacing it but whatever aircraft they were going to use fell through. The F-14 was the closest thing left to a dog fighting aircraft, but now in the age of being able to fire a missle for 10 miles away to hit an aircraft dog fighting is becoming a thing of the past.

[Lowprofile]

I think for now, they are upgrading the F-18 to take its place.

[Brock Samson]

dig this! 


  http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/jet-mpeg.jpg

full screen it too..
ok i see it aint workin here so go to the second link i provided for the f-14 and scroll to the bottom,..
well worth the effort...

...somewhere on that most excellent site, it said something to the effect that mach 1.4 was like 8 football fields every two seconds...


found this to it's more to the point too..

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/aircraft/Convair-F102/info/AR-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/aircraft/Convair-F102/info/arearule.htm&h=260&w=389&sz=14&hl=en&start=12&tbnid=ZidiZ8s7i7xHxM:&tbnh=79&tbnw=119&prev=/images%3Fq%3Darea%2Brule%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG

[BigBlackDodge]

Lets go furhter back in time.................. 


BBD

[73dodge]

that f-14 is pretty long in the tooth now...
they gonna replace it or upgrade it?..


  http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-14-variants.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-14-pics.htm

I used to work on these back in the day, along with the A-6 Intruder....

The Navy just retired the last of the F-14s like a month or two ago, the F-18 is it's replacement. Shame I love the F14 was/is my all time favorite modern fighter. I still think they should have gone ahead and retrofitted them all with the -D or was -E option. it would have given it supercruise capabilties and kick rear fighter qualities.     


Oh well the day was bound to come when I lived to see the F14 retired to the static displays of the NAS bases.

[John_Kunkel]

that f-14 is pretty long in the tooth now...
they gonna replace it or upgrade it?..

The days are numbered for the Tomcat.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,90808,00.html

[azraelck]

I'll take one of these over any jet anyday. Might not be as capable, but I think they be a bit cooler.

[2fast4u]

  NOW HERE'S A COKEBOTTLE DESIGN!!!   UMMM!  UMMMM! UMM!  Yeah Baby!!

[Johnny SixPack]

Here's a great trifecta:

[Brock Samson]

i found the info i was looking for re: the replacment aircraft here..

http://www.aviationweek.com/avnow/search/autosuggest.jsp?docid=365845&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aviationnow.com%2Favnow%2Fnews%2Fchannel_aerospacedaily_story.jsp%3Fview%3Dstory%26id%3Dnews%2Freduction02273.xml

[Lightning]

i found the info i was looking for re: the replacment aircraft here..

http://www.aviationweek.com/avnow/search/autosuggest.jsp?docid=365845&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aviationnow.com%2Favnow%2Fnews%2Fchannel_aerospacedaily_story.jsp%3Fview%3Dstory%26id%3Dnews%2Freduction02273.xml

for the replacement they're thinking about waking up the YF-23 or doing a swing-wing F-22.

[bull]

[Lowprofile]

Its amazing to think that there's only 50 years or so between these designs. 

[Lowprofile]

Another Cool "Then & Now" Photo Set.

[Brock Samson]

here's another one...

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002568.html



i seen better lookin coke bottles... 

[BigBlackDodge]

Its amazing to think that there's only 50 years or so between these designs. 

I think the guys in the bi-plane can tak'em! They hold the higher ground on them fancy jets!


BBD