Driving during "lock-down"

[Mike DC]

                 

Maybe....O R,
The healthy people get it, get through it,  then society returns to normal faster.

We don't have enough ventilators & masks & stuff to ride out the spike. 

I've heard that in NYC the emergency responders have quit trying to resuscitate heart attack victims.  If there is no pulse when they arrive then they move on.  Too many others in need.  The city is storing bodies in refrigerator trucks because the morgues are overwhelmed.  This situation is costing lives that don't need to be lost.   


With the 1918 flu, the economy didn't start to get back on its feet until they got the spreading infections under control.  Trying to 'push through it' and run the economy anyway didn't work.   

[Nacho-RT74]

Economy is nothing with sick ppl because economy is moved by the ppl, is not a misterious ghost around us which gets its own life.

So more ppl infected, harder to keep the economy up no matter how hard you try to push it, because will eventually stop by itself

And more ppl infected, harder, longer AND EXPENSIVE to resurrect anything from the ground.

Learn from the history, without a real and effective medicine, the only way to beat the virus spread is a lockdown.

The "Spanish" flu never got a cure, was stopped by lockdowns

[Rolling_Thunder]

Ummmm   I just took a 14 hour road trip yesterday to go pick up a Vega Hatch (finally found one!) -

I also go for a morning run 5-6 times a week for 3-5 miles...    no mask, no issues - I figure keeping my breathers (lungs) healthy is the best thing I can do - I am seeing NY getting rocked by this but in  overly congested city with an aging population that will happen. Nothing against my NY brothers but I simply couldn't live there...    too many people (I don't like people much anyway). I never saw how/why people want to live in sardine can apartments in 1000 unit buildings...   

[Nacho-RT74]

. I never saw how/why people want to live in sardine can apartments in 1000 unit buildings...   

Where the money is moved, more jobs opportunities... then... more ppl will live there. That's all

[Mike DC]

            
The urban centers have viable economies.  It all boils down to that.  

The other reasons that people cite (hip, trendy, etc) are mostly side-effects of having a healthy economy.      

[Kern Dog]

Ummmm   I just took a 14 hour road trip yesterday to go pick up a Vega Hatch (finally found one!) -

I also go for a morning run 5-6 times a week for 3-5 miles...    no mask, no issues - I figure keeping my breathers (lungs) healthy is the best thing I can do - I am seeing NY getting rocked by this but in  overly congested city with an aging population that will happen. Nothing against my NY brothers but I simply couldn't live there...    too many people (I don't like people much anyway). I never saw how/why people want to live in sardine can apartments in 1000 unit buildings...   

For every report of a hospital being "over-run", there are several more that have NOBODY showing up with any signs of this disease. Look around.

[Mike DC]

   

For every report of a hospital being "over-run", there are several more that have NOBODY showing up with any signs of this disease. Look around.

The hospitals have called off their usual (non-critical) procedures over a week ago.  That makes up most of the traffic in a hospital under normal conditions.  Right now they are trying to minimize the people who pass through there unnecessarily, and preserve the medical supplies. 

Some of them may really never get slammed with the virus.  Others will, it just hasn't happened yet.   


     

[Rolling_Thunder]

. I never saw how/why people want to live in sardine can apartments in 1000 unit buildings...   

Where the money is moved, more jobs opportunities... then... more ppl will live there. That's all

Well - I understand that Nacho - but when I was in the military we had a bunch of guys who wanted to simply rent apartments or buy townhouses - no yards, no space, etc -- never really understood it. I asked them if they would ever want to buy a house and have property and they said no- they would just buy a condo or townhouse....

I chalked it up to younger people wanting to travel or have hobbies like "gaming" instead of restoring cars - maybe they just dont need the space I feel i do?

[Kern Dog]

To me, it would be absolutely horrible to live in an apartment again. I need space around me.

[myk]

Tell me about it.  For two months I lived with my Charger's grille, support, lower valance and other related parts in the bedroom and living room of my one bedroom apartment.  It was funny for a few weeks but then really started to get old...

[Nacho-RT74]

most of ppl doesn't have how to live in wide houses with backyards into the country, but in small flats closer to his job as posible to save in transportation.

about the lockdown... so far so good is working in Spain. The curve is slowing down, faster than I expected. Faster than Italy and China ( on their moment ) in fact. And the recovered cases here is the higher number of all countries. Pressure over hospitals is getting lowered too.

. I never saw how/why people want to live in sardine can apartments in 1000 unit buildings...   

Where the money is moved, more jobs opportunities... then... more ppl will live there. That's all

Well - I understand that Nacho - but when I was in the military we had a bunch of guys who wanted to simply rent apartments or buy townhouses - no yards, no space, etc -- never really understood it. I asked them if they would ever want to buy a house and have property and they said no- they would just buy a condo or townhouse....

I chalked it up to younger people wanting to travel or have hobbies like "gaming" instead of restoring cars - maybe they just dont need the space I feel i do?

There are ppl for every taste.

[alfaitalia]

Over hear we feel that being alive (death is permanent in case you haven't noticed) takes priority over a slump in the economy (which wont be permanent)...over there (based on Trumps comments, your news programs and this forum)...a lot of you seem to think its more important the other way around. Over 13000 of you dead so far ...how many will it take before you take this seriously....if you stay under 100,000 you will be extremely lucky imo....we are at 6159 and averaging about 700 death per day with that rate still climbing. We are expecting 20 to 30000 deaths...even with our pretty much full nationwide lockdown......with the folks attitude over there and no one brave enough to tell you guys to stay indoors and enforce it....you are in for the long haul with high death numbers....not trying to make a political comment....just saying how it is.
I live in a low virus area....and to be honest I was staying in a treating it as a holiday, working on my cars and house....(we get paid 80% of our wages by the government until this is done under the "Furlough Workers" scheme)....but suddenly its very real for me. A friend is in hospital in intensive care (only 55....but a life long smoker...so yes you can partially blame him I guess) on a ventilator and now been put into an induced coma....25 to 30 chance of recovery. Staying in seems a small price to pay to save a life or two now doesnt it???

[cdr]

Over hear we feel that being alive (death is permanent in case you haven't noticed) takes priority over a slump in the economy (which wont be permanent)...over there (based on Trumps comments, your news programs and this forum)...a lot of you seem to think its more important the other way around. Over 13000 of you dead so far ...how many will it take before you take this seriously....if you stay under 100,000 you will be extremely lucky imo....we are at 6159 and averaging about 700 death per day with that rate still climbing. We are expecting 20 to 30000 deaths...even with our pretty much full nationwide lockdown......with the folks attitude over there and no one brave enough to tell you guys to stay indoors and enforce it....you are in for the long haul with high death numbers....not trying to make a political comment....just saying how it is.
I live in a low virus area....and to be honest I was staying in a treating it as a holiday, working on my cars and house....(we get paid 80% of our wages by the government until this is done under the "Furlough Workers" scheme)....but suddenly its very real for me. A friend is in hospital in intensive care (only 55....but a life long smoker...so yes you can partially blame him I guess) on a ventilator and now been put into an induced coma....25 to 30 chance of recovery. Staying in seems a small price to pay to save a life or two now doesnt it???

LMAO not at people dying, but at you. almost EVERY post you make you TRY to find a way to DIS America.... you know what,  you can F--k OFF

[Kern Dog]

I agree. Sell the Charger and embrace the Euro mode of small cars and Socialistic lifestyle.

[mel t]

Boris Johnson and Prince Charles got Covi-19, soooooo...

[Nacho-RT74]

I agree. Sell the Charger and embrace the Euro mode of small cars and Socialistic lifestyle.

well, at least in Europe ppl doesn't need to be worried about health care &/or insurance

[Birdflu]

Over hear we feel that being alive (death is permanent in case you haven't noticed) takes priority over a slump in the economy (which wont be permanent)...over there (based on Trumps comments, your news programs and this forum)...a lot of you seem to think its more important the other way around. Over 13000 of you dead so far ...how many will it take before you take this seriously....if you stay under 100,000 you will be extremely lucky imo....we are at 6159 and averaging about 700 death per day with that rate still climbing. We are expecting 20 to 30000 deaths...even with our pretty much full nationwide lockdown......with the folks attitude over there and no one brave enough to tell you guys to stay indoors and enforce it....you are in for the long haul with high death numbers....not trying to make a political comment....just saying how it is.
I live in a low virus area....and to be honest I was staying in a treating it as a holiday, working on my cars and house....(we get paid 80% of our wages by the government until this is done under the "Furlough Workers" scheme)....but suddenly its very real for me. A friend is in hospital in intensive care (only 55....but a life long smoker...so yes you can partially blame him I guess) on a ventilator and now been put into an induced coma....25 to 30 chance of recovery. Staying in seems a small price to pay to save a life or two now doesnt it???

So in the 2017/2018 flu season, the U.S. lost over 80,000 citizens!...(or at least we believe they were citizens)! If the news media had a counter in the lower right hand corner of the tv screen back then, we would have had a pandemic back then. Heck, let's have a rolling counter for heart disease, various forms of cancer, car wrecks, opioid abuse...you get the picture! We could/would have the entire country running for a sealed rubber room! Does Corvid-19 present itself as an aggressive 'take no prisoners' form of highly contagious flu? Absolutely, but let's get realistic with how it's being covered by the media. Do you remember the 2017/2018 season being talked about every minute of every hour of every day back then...I don't!

[mel t]

So in the 2017/2018 flu season, the U.S. lost over 80,000 citizens!...(or at least we believe they were citizens)! If the news media had a counter in the lower right hand corner of the tv screen back then, we would have had a pandemic back then. Heck, let's have a rolling counter for heart disease, various forms of cancer, car wrecks, opioid abuse...you get the picture! We could/would have the entire country running for a sealed rubber room! Does Corvid-19 present itself as an aggressive 'take no prisoners' form of highly contagious flu? Absolutely, but let's get realistic with how it's being covered by the media. Remember the 2017/2018 season being talked about every minute of every hour of every day back then...I don't!
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[4cruzin]

My Son and I took the red 70 out yesterday for several hours and went down to our local park.
However, a buddy of mine was out and on his way home from Home Depot (he is his own contracting business). He was buying supplies for a house he is working on. He got pulled over and got a $500.00 citation claiming working on someone's kitchen is not considered essential. He is going to fight it.

Just curious...what state was this in?

Was it the same state that the police fined a surfer $1,000 for being out in the ocean?

No I'm pretty sure it was the same state where I live . . . Michigan.  I know of some others that have been caught out and also got a $500 dollar ticket.  The other day I heard they have increased it to $1000.  

Would love to go for a ride but certainly don't need a ticket right now . . . or anytime for that matter.  

[Nacho-RT74]

So in the 2017/2018 flu season, the U.S. lost over 80,000 citizens!...(or at least we believe they were citizens)!

Maybe, but how many ppl got the regular flu? some of us doesn't really take care to go to the hospital with a regular flu and never gets into the stadistics. Maybe 50 millions in USA ? you can see them around you with your family and at work, maybe 1 or 2 ppl of every 10 ppl you know get a flu ( more in fact ). Isn't this true ?. So how much are 80K down a 50 millions contagious ? 0.16% without a lockdown. You grandpa can get a regular flu and maybe won't die staying at home. Won't even go to the hospital!

This Covid19 seems not to be the same case. Even trying to get the controls, ppl is dying in a rate 10 to 40 times more  than a regular flu ( depending of the country ). That's not the case of the regular flu.

Now take the 50 millions of citizens could get a regular flu getting now Covid19. It takes to 1 million of ppl just thinking on a 2% death rate ( which is not Spain and Italy rates being closer to 7-9% )


Now let's forget the numbers:

Is a fact the funeral and buries services are overhelm, so this is not a regular situation... If was a regular situation, they were relaxed.

3 temporaly mortuaries has been prepaired in Madrid using rinks ( and similars ) to be able to preserve the deaths while the wait to be serviced. I'm still wondering if you are not aware about that . Numbers are a guide but the reality being lived right now is what is punching out!

[timmycharger]

Over hear we feel that being alive (death is permanent in case you haven't noticed) takes priority over a slump in the economy (which wont be permanent)...over there (based on Trumps comments, your news programs and this forum)...a lot of you seem to think its more important the other way around. Over 13000 of you dead so far ...how many will it take before you take this seriously....if you stay under 100,000 you will be extremely lucky imo....we are at 6159 and averaging about 700 death per day with that rate still climbing. We are expecting 20 to 30000 deaths...even with our pretty much full nationwide lockdown......with the folks attitude over there and no one brave enough to tell you guys to stay indoors and enforce it....you are in for the long haul with high death numbers....not trying to make a political comment....just saying how it is.
I live in a low virus area....and to be honest I was staying in a treating it as a holiday, working on my cars and house....(we get paid 80% of our wages by the government until this is done under the "Furlough Workers" scheme)....but suddenly its very real for me. A friend is in hospital in intensive care (only 55....but a life long smoker...so yes you can partially blame him I guess) on a ventilator and now been put into an induced coma....25 to 30 chance of recovery. Staying in seems a small price to pay to save a life or two now doesnt it???

So in the 2017/2018 flu season, the U.S. lost over 80,000 citizens!...(or at least we believe they were citizens)! If the news media had a counter in the lower right hand corner of the tv screen back then, we would have had a pandemic back then. Heck, let's have a rolling counter for heart disease, various forms of cancer, car wrecks, opioid abuse...you get the picture! We could/would have the entire country running for a sealed rubber room! Does Corvid-19 present itself as an aggressive 'take no prisoners' form of highly contagious flu? Absolutely, but let's get realistic with how it's being covered by the media. Remember the 2017/2018 season being talked about every minute of every hour of every day back then...I don't!

The local media here in the Boston is an absolute joke. It's almost like they are rooting for more deaths and chaos.   Then you have things like this fraud... As of yesterday it was still up on CBS's twitter feed..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx1XCAeePWA

[lloyd3]

The commies have finally found a way to shut things down here without raising suspicions about their motives. Pretty creative, really.

[MoparMike68]

I don't know anyone who has quit driving because of the outbreak.  The issue is where are you going?   If we are staying relatively isolated then it's not gonna hurt.  Basic shopping, going to parks, seeing immediate friends & family, etc.  



Viruses come from 'liberal' states because they have the biggest urban centers.  They have tons of population density and get the most international travelers.  Logically the incoming diseases will hit there first & worst
A correct govt reaction to a disease outbreak should look like an overreaction.  Same with preventing terrorism.  If they do their job right then everyone thinks they were overly worried for nothing, because the public never sees how bad it would have gotten without the effort.    

If the govt had successfully prevented 9/11 then people would think they spent many years overly worried about terrorism.  "A few guys were gonna hijack airliners to crash them" would be another abstract idea that didn't carry any emotional weight.  Just like today when they are saying "This virus could kill a million Americans."  The threat won't seem real to us unless it happens, and then we would be furious at the govt for letting it happen.    

Nice insight worth pondering 

[cdr]

Ok we escaped again LOL
 

https://youtu.be/_gynRIBzBRc

[alfaitalia]

Over hear we feel that being alive (death is permanent in case you haven't noticed) takes priority over a slump in the economy (which wont be permanent)...over there (based on Trumps comments, your news programs and this forum)...a lot of you seem to think its more important the other way around. Over 13000 of you dead so far ...how many will it take before you take this seriously....if you stay under 100,000 you will be extremely lucky imo....we are at 6159 and averaging about 700 death per day with that rate still climbing. We are expecting 20 to 30000 deaths...even with our pretty much full nationwide lockdown......with the folks attitude over there and no one brave enough to tell you guys to stay indoors and enforce it....you are in for the long haul with high death numbers....not trying to make a political comment....just saying how it is.
I live in a low virus area....and to be honest I was staying in a treating it as a holiday, working on my cars and house....(we get paid 80% of our wages by the government until this is done under the "Furlough Workers" scheme)....but suddenly its very real for me. A friend is in hospital in intensive care (only 55....but a life long smoker...so yes you can partially blame him I guess) on a ventilator and now been put into an induced coma....25 to 30 chance of recovery. Staying in seems a small price to pay to save a life or two now doesnt it???

LMAO not at people dying, but at you. almost EVERY post you make you TRY to find a way to DIS America.... you know what,  you can F--k OFF

What a twat.....and so brave from behind your keyboard in another country...not many people I know would be brave enough to say that to my face....
Read it again...is what way was I DISing the U.S.? (DIS? Really?...how old are you?)...I was merely pointing out the FACT that the US is handling  the crisis badly and it's costing American lives. It's not just me saying this ...it's pretty much every other country going through the same thing. Try looking outward to the rest of the world rather than inward...then you might save some lives.
As for the other idiots comparing it to normal seasonal flu (as Mr Trump did)...well what can I say....whatever I say im thinking they probably won't have the IQ to understand.

Based not just on this thread and quite a few other recently ....both car and non car based. I'm going...and closing my account. I know that no one will care. My car will be on FB and a UK classic American car sight if anyone cares...I will post the links later for those interested....that will be my last post.
Those sites will let you have an opinion that , God forbid, might be contrary to someone else's....and we let people take the piss out of little old England...without verbally abusing them.
Its (mostly) been fun.