Will Electric Cars Outsell Internal Combustion

[Challenger340]

Lots more electrics car....like anywhere else in the World....and ten years is to short for any meaningful weather data....but there will be a lots less glaciers and ice sheets on the planet cuz thats happening real fast (much faster than they predicted even five years ago)....but I'm thinking there already not many of those in California!!

Happening much faster here in Canada.... and faster yet the further North you go from here ?

In 10 years we could see dramatic changes here in Canada.... imo, sufficient for a very meaningful indication of the changes, we're losing Glaciers very rapidly.

[HANDM]

https://www.bing.com/search?q=glaciers+growing+aroumd+the+world&form=PRUSEN&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&msnews=1&rec_search=1&refig=46e4be7a8e8c481fa7a7585eb10078d5&sp=-1&pq=glaciers+growing+aroumd+the+worl&sc=1-32&qs=n&sk=&cvid=46e4be7a8e8c481fa7a7585eb10078d5

I'll just leave this here, make of it what you will

[alfaitalia]

There will always be anomalies as with everything else....and there will always be those looking hard to dry and disprove whats is proven and obvious....Ill leave this here...make of it what you will! LOL

https://www.livescience.com/24310-flat-earth-belief.html

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Lots more electrics car....like anywhere else in the World....and ten years is to short for any meaningful weather data....but there will be a lots less glaciers and ice sheets on the planet cuz thats happening real fast (much faster than they predicted even five years ago)....but I'm thinking there already not many of those in California!!

Happening much faster here in Canada.... and faster yet the further North you go from here ?

In 10 years we could see dramatic changes here in Canada.... imo, sufficient for a very meaningful indication of the changes, we're losing Glaciers very rapidly.

2 years ago last September, my wife and I went on a 13 day land/cruise excursions to Alaska and one of the places the cruise ship went to was Glacier Bay. The captain stopped the ship in the middle of the bay and put on the bow thrusters and turned the engine pods sideways which made the ship do 3 or 4 slow donuts in the middle of the bay enabling everyone having a good look no matter where they were on the ship. While the ship was rotating they were telling the history of the bay and how the glaciers are shrinking year after year. However, to my surprise, the didn't blame it on global warming, rather they were saying that it was naturally occurring. Check out the link below...

https://www.nps.gov/glba/learn/nature/glacier-bay-s-glacial-history.htm

There were a couple of other places that we went to during the trip where the speakers talked about the ice retreating and it was no big deal to them, just nature doing its thing.

You can't blame this centuries-old naturally occurring event on man and so called carbon pollution. A huge portion of the Earth was covered in ICE 10,000 years ago, yet it melted without the help of internal combustion engines or other fossil fuels changing the climate. How is that possible?

[alfaitalia]

Lol...why let the facts get in the way of a good story...as they say.

[Ghoste]

Whose facts though?

[Mike DC]

A huge portion of the Earth was covered in ICE 10,000 years ago, yet it melted without the help of internal combustion engines or other fossil fuels changing the climate. How is that possible?

Current evidence suggests a shower of comets whacked the earth.  It was catastrophic.  



How bad?  Go talk to an old guy named Noah.  He built an Ark to get through it.  

Seriously, his story is older than the Bible.  There are similar stories like it all over the world.  DNA evidence says the human population was cut way down around that time.


Natural event?  Yeah.  But it still sucked for Noah's neighbors.  We might want to avoid rapid climate changes when we can.  
 

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Whose facts though?

Exactly.


Here's a new working link to my last post above....


https://www.nps.gov/glba/learn/nature/glacier-bay-s-glacial-history.htm

[b5blue]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEUZS6bH3w  (He's Italian.) 

[alfaitalia]

Whose facts though?

Really??....do you not have the internet over their?? Pretty much every scientist who ever studied it thats who....and no they are not all government sponsored conspirators as many on here seem to be thinking. The evidence is so overpowering that many of the sceptical scientists and those that plain did not believe it was happening are now agreeing. The fact is that since we started burning fossil fuels in quantity  (roughly 150 years ish) the carbon in the atmosphere has gone up faster than it has EVER gone up before without a massive natural disaster happening.
I love cars and flying places and eating meet and heating my house and all the other things that dont help...and to be honest Im probably too selfish to change the habits of a lifetime....but as much as I also used to argue that it was all bollocks too......it does not take much to realise I was wrong. Its laughable that there are posters on here who believe in God without question and without one piece of evidence that he existed that would ever stand up in court......yes climate change???....oh no thats all nonsense!! " Some people you just cant reach......".LOL!
On the plus point my rainy cool country should start having better summers!!!....that said the Gulf stream which keeps us warm in winter (we on the same latitude as New York and Moscow....but dont have snow for that very reason) could be pushed South by climate change apparently.....not so good....South Of France ...here I come!!

Im out!!! Going back to posting about cars!!

[Mytur Binsdirti]

There will always be anomalies as with everything else....and there will always be those looking hard to dry and disprove whats is proven and obvious....Ill leave this here...make of it what you will! LOL

https://www.livescience.com/24310-flat-earth-belief.html

I get it, the facts from those who believe in global warming are indisputable truth and facts that show the contrary are just anomalies. Thanks for clearing that up.  

[Nacho-RT74]

When I was child in Caracas, remember "foggish" mornings when I woke up before to go to school and the need to get a jacket. 10 years later, on my last year of school, never saw a fog and never needed a jacket anymore in the morning.

Caracas is a city in a valley and I could see how constructions got into the mountains all around the city, so forests were dissapearing. City population got duplicated on those years, and began to see the heavy pollution when I was to the Avila ( a Mountain National Park at the north of the city, 2675 meters high ) to camping. That was a change in just 10-12 years.

Those who never have noticed the change on their area, will never believe what is happening is for real.

[Challenger340]

https://www.bing.com/search?q=glaciers+growing+aroumd+the+world&form=PRUSEN&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&msnews=1&rec_search=1&refig=46e4be7a8e8c481fa7a7585eb10078d5&sp=-1&pq=glaciers+growing+aroumd+the+worl&sc=1-32&qs=n&sk=&cvid=46e4be7a8e8c481fa7a7585eb10078d5

I'll just leave this here, make of it what you will

Interesting page ?
But why do all the articles direct to webpages with names like
iceagenow.info"
or
"Ihatethemedia.com"
or
"skepticalscience.com"

I think that Donald comb-over dude calls that Fake News doesn't he ?

All I know is you should SEE what we SEE here in Canada
I've personally seen 7 decades.... I KNOW where I used to be able to skate/play hockey as a Kid ?
My dog went swimming in it last week ?

[Challenger340]

There will always be anomalies as with everything else....and there will always be those looking hard to dry and disprove whats is proven and obvious....Ill leave this here...make of it what you will! LOL

https://www.livescience.com/24310-flat-earth-belief.html

I get it, the facts from those who believe in global warming are indisputable truth and facts that show the contrary are just anomalies. Thanks for clearing that up.  

I'd just like to know.... based in Physics ? or Chemistry ? or whatever ?
and I know nobody likes "science".....
but just what are the "effects" of burning on average 90 Million barrels of Oil daily for the last 60 Years ? and on average 60 million barrels a day for the 30 years prior ?

NO "effects" whatsoever ?

Then someone explain why the last 5 Hottest years on record occurred between 2014 and 2018 since records have been kept going back 139 years ?
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/02/2018-fourth-warmest-year-ever-noaa-nasa-reports/

I mean from Ice Core sampling and Geological samples.... the last time Earth's atmospheric CO2 climbed this high within a 100 year period..... the Dinosaurs went extinct ?
it was called the "Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous%E2%80%93Paleogene_extinction_event

and is thought to have been triggered by an asteroid impact that formed the Gulf of Mexico... a very sudden ACUTE event ?

I mean don't get me wrong here.... Earth's climate has always changed.... Earth's temperature has had Ice Ages and Hotter eons..... but those changes occurred over TENS of THOUSANDS of Years ?
They were NOT rapid ACUTE changes within 100 Years as we are seeing today.... same as the cretaceous extinction event ?

[HANDM]

There will always be anomalies as with everything else....and there will always be those looking hard to dry and disprove whats is proven and obvious....Ill leave this here...make of it what you will! LOL

https://www.livescience.com/24310-flat-earth-belief.html

I get it, the facts from those who believe in global warming are indisputable truth and facts that show the contrary are just anomalies. Thanks for clearing that up.  

I'd just like to know.... based in Physics ? or Chemistry ? or whatever ?
and I know nobody likes "science".....
but just what are the "effects" of burning on average 90 Million barrels of Oil daily for the last 60 Years ? and on average 60 million barrels a day for the 30 years prior ?

NO "effects" whatsoever ?

Then someone explain why the last 5 Hottest years on record occurred between 2014 and 2018 since records have been kept going back 139 years ?
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/02/2018-fourth-warmest-year-ever-noaa-nasa-reports/

I mean from Ice Core sampling and Geological samples.... the last time Earth's atmospheric CO2 climbed this high within a 100 year period..... the Dinosaurs went extinct ?
it was called the "Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous%E2%80%93Paleogene_extinction_event

and is thought to have been triggered by an asteroid impact that formed the Gulf of Mexico... a very sudden ACUTE event ?

I mean don't get me wrong here.... Earth's climate has always changed.... Earth's temperature has had Ice Ages and Hotter eons..... but those changes occurred over TENS of THOUSANDS of Years ?
They were NOT rapid ACUTE changes within 100 Years as we are seeing today.... same as the cretaceous extinction event ?

Oh, I see, your sites are completely credible and not at all fake news.......

[Mytur Binsdirti]

I'd just like to know.... based in Physics ? or Chemistry ? or whatever ?
and I know nobody likes "science".....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GllSfiwCEtY

but just what are the "effects" of burning on average 90 Million barrels of Oil daily for the last 60 Years ? and on average 60 million barrels a day for the 30 years prior ?

NO "effects" whatsoever ?

No doubt that has an effect, but it isn't as catastrophic as some make it out to be. When Mt. St. Helen blew up, the effects of the billions of tons of pollution that spewed into the atmosphere lasted quite a while, but we all survived.

Then someone explain why the last 5 Hottest years on record occurred between 2014 and 2018 since records have been kept going back 139 years ?
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/02/2018-fourth-warmest-year-ever-noaa-nasa-reports/

Geological records stretching back millions of years indicate a number of large variations in Earth's climate. prior to the effects of man. You do agree that these changes have been caused by many natural factors, including changes in the sun, volcanoes, Earth's orbit. So, how much warming today is naturally occurring and how much is caused by man? Can anyone say?


Remember the Time magazine covers like this...




Has all the arctic ice melted and the polar bears all died in the nearly 20 years since this came out? Of course not, it was all hysterics designed to push an agenda.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/10/07/experts-said-arctic-sea-ice-would-melt-entirely-by-september-201/

[alfaitalia]

Ill just add this...don't know why...the closed minded of you have made your minds up regardless!!! LOL.

https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Ill just add this...don't know why...the closed minded of you have made your minds up regardless!!! LOL.

https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php

I'm not closed minded; rather I'm of the belief that we have to take care of our environment & I think here in the US, we're doing a pretty good job. Having been around as long as I have been, I've seen that every predicted climate apocalypse has never come true. Once again, here's the link I posted several pages back....

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions

If you notice, the time frame for climate alarmists is always 10 years. Well 10 years till doomsday was 40 years ago & we're still all here and doing fine.

Many believe the hysterics from the climate whores and pimps who live lavish lifestyles travelling all around the world in their private jets, all the while telling us surfs how we have to cut back on the use of fossil fuels. Can you blame me for not choosing to believe them and see them as nothing but hypocrites?

https://pagesix.com/2019/07/30/a-listers-flock-to-google-summit-in-private-jets-mega-yachts-to-talk-climate-change/

Those hypocrites will never live their lives completely without fossil fuels and fossil fuel generated electricity, but that's what they want for you and me. And the same goes for all of Greta's blind followers.

Back to electric cars; when you look into what it takes to build electric cars and what fuels them, you can see that they are anything but "green".

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/how-green-electric-car-really

I do think that someday there will be a replacement for gasoline & diesel fuel and the replacement may or may not be electric, but if it is, there will be a better form of power than the batteries that power today's cars.

[b5blue]

   Yea, if I charge my TELSA from a plant using coal my car is hence "coal powered".  The pollution is the issue here not perceived effects. The commercial with "Chief Iron Eyes" (The Italian guy.) crying was created and funded the makers of cans and bottles, a source of pollution.
   Pollution is driving the electric car market, nothing else. Much of the world has teeny tiny little cars, trucks and scooters that are banned here in USA as unsafe in a country full of "BIG CARS". (But the little cars have very efficient engines.)
  Ironic to have a bunch of "Charger" owners debating electric cars that need charging! 

[green69rt]

That's a big "IF" about charging from coal fired plants.  Texas now has just as much wind/solar power as coal fired power (natural gas still leads the pack) and next year will tip even more to renewables.  Go figure, for a state that is as big into oil and gas.  Anyway, my wife and I have looked on an EV and will probably get one, in 2020, for around town.  I'll still keep my truck and we have the Charger so got it covered.  EVs keep getting cheaper and better so our time is coming.  We even considered adding so solar panels to the roof to make up for the electricity used, but that's a whole separate discussion.   Solar panels are still not cheap but keep getting cheaper so who knows where our tipping point is?

[Nacho-RT74]

     Ironic to have a bunch of "Charger" owners debating electric cars that need charging! 

[Challenger340]

I don't think NASA research ?
nor
NASA's recorded historical climate data ?

is neither:
* hysterical
* climate alarmist
or a product of
* climate whores and pimps

But I do believe anyone who is open minded ?
can benefit spending 10 Minutes reading NASA's observations on the planet's "Vital Signs" (their words).... if for no other reason than perspective to that open minded self awareness ?

I think everything anyone may wish to know is covered here by NASA ?
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

[ACUDANUT]

     Ironic to have a bunch of "Charger" owners debating electric cars that need charging! 

Damn CNN took over this forumn. 

[Mike DC]

  
Electric drivetrains are a relevant topic for car guys.  

Higher performance potential + more power/fuel efficient + less complexity = the future of cars.



Can EVs do everything better than ICE?  No.

But they do enough better to join the party, command respect, and dominate in many areas.  

[odcics2]

Don't worry about the climate.

Worry about stuff like this!  Read the entire article!  YIKES!

https://www.wxyz.com/news/yellow-ooze-leaking-onto-i-696-identified-as-hexavalent-chromium-msp-says

All over the world, stuff like this is getting mixed into the earth, water and air. 

Cancer............