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My 68 R/T build

Started by 68CarlRT, November 04, 2018, 11:38:51 AM

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68CarlRT

Finally I have a full garage for my car for the first time  :yesnod:
We stripped the 3 layers of paint that was on the car. I rubbed the bare metal down with vinegar/water mixture, so it looks rusty but when you rub it down with a stainless steel pad and more  vinegar/water the metal comes out pristine.
For the first time in 20 years Dawson and I put the front fenders on.
Then summer came and worked slowed

68CarlRT

In Sept 2018 another neighbor need some garage space, the roof of his garage had natural skylights, and racoons started to make a home. I did not mind has work is no existent on the charger in the summer. We opened the door and there was a 1968 road runner.  :drool5: The RR has not seen light in 20 yrs.
So we pushed it out of his garage and into mine. Boy was it dirty and smelly. Pushed it out one day and gave it a good cleaning.
The RR original came with a 383 4spd but now has a 440 /727.
Repaired his garage roof over the next month and pushed the RR back in.
It was kind of cool having a pair of 68's in the garage for awhile.

Wow that was a lot of posting and resizing pictures today.
Off to the garage now to work on the dents on the front of the hood.

JB400


darbgnik

Seems to be moving along nicely now!
Brad

1970 Charger 500. Born a 318, AC, console auto, now 440/727
Build thread:  http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,127291.0.html

68CarlRT

It was nice to see the fenders installed. I am getting closer to posting more recent pictures spent 8 hours on the front of my hood. Might have to separate the inner structure to fully get the dent /bend out.

wingcarenvy

Thanks for posting! I love 68's and I really like the story behind yours. I bet it feels really good to have held onto it for all these years....and do what you've wanted to do all along. :2thumbs:

orange383

Great thread. The RR looked pretty decent.

68CarlRT

Quote from: wingcarenvy on February 14, 2019, 01:08:05 AM
Thanks for posting! I love 68's and I really like the story behind yours. I bet it feels really good to have held onto it for all these years....and do what you've wanted to do all along. :2thumbs:
I have many offers for the charger over the years. But I just could not part with it. As I would never be able to afford another one.

68CarlRT

Quote from: orange383 on February 16, 2019, 02:11:13 AM
Great thread. The RR looked pretty decent.
I found out the RR was involved in a garage fire many years ago, and there was some heat damage to the headliner and on the passenger side. It needs a new starter, but the headers that are installed require the motor to be lifted to accomplish that. So, he would like to refresh the motor, and the 727 needs to be rebuilt.
I keep teasing him that when the Charger is finished the RR is next  ;D

68CarlRT

I finally tried to fit the front valance , bumper and grill on the car. I found out the order of installation is important. We put the valance on first, and discovered that to try and get it up to the bottom of the rad cradle to mount required gentle persuasion. I could not get the bumper lined up at all. The Grill fit too tight on the drivers side and a huge gap on the passengers side. It was exciting to see the grill on. I knew there was some damage on the passenger front fender, I had the front fenders repaired  :shruggy: by students at the body shop at the college I work at. That is why they are grey primer, The front shape looked all wrong so, I started grinding off lots of putty.


68CarlRT

The Charger moves homes.
Some background info. My next door neighbor is restoring a 1976 TR6 the body is on a rotisserie  he build, in my garage beside the charger. So there was not much room to work on either car. But i get nothing accomplished over summer anyway. We decided it may be best to move the charger to his garage next door, and move the rolling frame for the TR6 into my garage.
Since he has a two post hoist, we can drop the motor, transmission, kframe all in one piece. I need to rebuild the trans anyway. Refresh anything that is needed on the front suspension. Also this should make it much easier to prepare the engine bay for paint.
Once the TR6 body and frame are married again we are going to turn my garage into a paint booth to paint the TR6, and with a lot of work the Charger.

Added some fresh gas into the tank. Squirted some down the carb, had my Grandson turn the key and.. Click. The battery i was trickle charging all week did not have enough to turn over the car  :RantExplode:. Swapped with a marine battery that i am storing for my Son. Then the 440 cranked over and fired. Let the car warm up for a couple minutes and drove slowly out the garage. Hmm did I check brakes  :scratchchin: Brake check before leaving garage Yep they worked.

As you can see there is some snow and ice in the back lane. Those Tornado G60-14 s have no grip on dry pavement never mind ice. So with trying not to spin the tires  :smilielol: we kept on slipping down that little hill. Out came the asorball and we laid a trail until some concrete appeared. Then carefully without spinning the tires we slowly crept up the approach into the garage.

Bob


68CarlRT

Transmission rebuilt kit, and motor gaskets arrived.
Now to finish getting the kframe with motor and transmission out.

68CarlRT

So after getting the Charger into my neighbors garage we lifted the car and let the motor stay on the pallet.

Kern Dog

I'd like to learn how to rebuild an automatic some day.
Good luck with the car.  :2thumbs:

68CarlRT

Now, that the motor was out. I went searching youtube for 727 transmission rebuild videos. After watching many videos there were two that I used.
The first one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmYAL7i32fA
The second one  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzJhCBZ1wMY the second one is 19 parts but all are very short 3 -10 minutes.
The 727 is not from the car the stamped numbers indicate is was from a 68 383 2bbl. Oh well it will be sufficient for my build as the 440 is only going to be a very mild streetable motor.

I did not get many pictures of the disassembly but a couple with Dawson helping me rebuild the governor and he he also installed the one way sprag clutch. Which in the first video says this is how it looks all together but the second video Part 11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7xWAdoQOI0 shows how to install.

We put the 727 all back together except for the valvevbody. I want to put in a Transgo Stage 1 shift kit but have not ordered it yet.
In the last picture you can see all transmission scatter on the pallet. It all went back together.

68CarlRT

I ordered the front disc brake kit from Dr Diff, I also the super front end kit from PST.
Now to get the K frame clean get all the bushings out.
I found out the K Frames is from a 70 as the part number painted on it was 3466479.
On to removing the Lower Control arm bushings. My first attempt was less than successful. I welded 3 different washers and broke the welds on all of them. :shruggy:
So I tried to fold the sides in and carefully slice the bushing. Everything I tried was failing so on the the next one. :brickwall:
Decided to try the other LCA. Cleaned up the top of the bushing welded a washer on the top, this time more heat and more wire. Success it pressed out just like all the youtube videos i watched.
After that success, why not try again. I was able to weld a washer to the spots I folded down and was able to press it out. Woohoo . :2thumbs:

Next on to the Upper Control arms and the Upper Ball joint. Easy right you can see from the marks that someone installed these with a pipe wrench. I am not sure how as all the large pipe wrenches barely fit behind.  After soaking with Seafoam Deepcreep I went looking for a Bushing removal socket went to Piston Ring, Napa, Tool chest. No one had the 1 7/8" socket. I know I could get one on Amazon or Ebay but how many times am I going to use it, maybe 4  :scratchchin:

I decided to make one out of scrap angle iron. Once I found a size that fit the flat sides I notched the open sided to round them around the ball joint. Once I was happy with the fit I welded it up. I had to trim the squarer sides to fit better into the UCA. The large pipe wrench fit much better and with more deepcreep and lots of heating both of the ball joints came out rather easily.

Now lets remove the UCA. Easy right the passenger side came of with out any issues. Off to the drivers side the front bolt slides out yippee will be pressing out bushings in 5 minutes. The rear bolt was siezed inside the bushing. 3 hours later after heating and more deepcreep and trying to hammer in the tightest place. :brickwall: I found some u channel that fit over the aduster bolt and was able to get a c clamp to help press it out. Whew.

Off to pressing out the bushings, what could go wrong.  Read the FSM. Watched some Youtube videos. So I found some 2" tubing it was kind of light tubing maybe an exhaust pipe but it was all I could find so I gave it try. Found a piece of threaded rod some nuts and washers. Well the passengers side came come out surprisingly easily. Then there was the Drivers side, well the front bushing came out but it buckled that exhaust tubing. Oh well dig a little deeper into the scrap metal buckets and found a thicker round pipe the right size. Ok I'm already to tackle the back bushing on the drivers side. Well it would not move at all. I even tried to press it out with a 12 ton press. It moved about a 1/4" but that was it. :brickwall:
Well lets cut a slice to help it. After cutting it is when I noticed that there was a sleeve on that one. WTF :flame: The FSM mentioned the sleeve for Coronet Police and Taxi applications. So I did not think it would be there. And it wasn't on any others.
I decided to use KSB rust seal for all the parts. https://www.kbs-coatings.com/kbs-three-step-system.html. After sandblasting the parts I could. k frame would not fit in the cabinet.

Now the reassembly.






Mytur Binsdirti

Nice to see the little guy helping out.  :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

BLK 68 R/T

The k frame sure looks like a 68/69 style to me. It's drilled for the pre 70 sway bar. Also the lower control arms have the mounting point for the earlier bar as well.

68CarlRT

http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=74
This website listed all the K Frames from 1964 to 1974 . The frame was drilled for the 68/69 swaybar.
I think the passenger side control arm also was modified from a 1970 +  swaybar mounting location to the 68/69 location as there looks like some welds were cut there and the torsion bar adjuster bolt was coarse thread, On the drivers side it was fine thread.

Q5XX29

Terrific thread! You're doing great, and your effort posting updates is enjoyed and appreciated. It's very fun to watch these progress.
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BLK 68 R/T

Quote from: 68CarlRT on March 07, 2020, 09:53:26 AM
http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=74
This website listed all the K Frames from 1964 to 1974 . The frame was drilled for the 68/69 swaybar.
I think the passenger side control arm also was modified from a 1970 +  swaybar mounting location to the 68/69 location as there looks like some welds were cut there and the torsion bar adjuster bolt was coarse thread, On the drivers side it was fine thread.

Interesting. I would definitely look into getting the torsion bar adjuster corrected back to the original fine thread.

68CarlRT

Some new pictures. K frame going back together. Removed the rearend to clean up and make new brake lines.
Also test fitting new distribution block.

68CarlRT

While removing the gas pedal found the only significant rust.
So cut it out in small pieces and made patches.
Hmmm did not get a picture of the finished inside.

68CarlRT

The next up is cleaning up the engine bay since everything is out.
The transformation was amazing. This is the first time the car has color since i've owned it that is not red oxide primer.
This was my first time ever priming and painting with an spraygun.
There are some runs. But there a hard to see on the framerails.