Bobby Isaac tribute car.................short tracker, no wing, no nose cone.

[Ghoste]

Weren't the majority of Petty's 1967 wins on short tracks and dirt?  Even the superspeedway wins would be against other boxy sedans.  Now if he ran the 67 Satellite against the aero cars and won, that would be a completely different thing.

[Mike DC]

 
I like Richard Petty and all. 
But from what I understand, he won all those races in '67 partly because of a combination of factors in his favor. 

First off, Ford was more or less boycotting the 1967 season just like Mopar did in '66.  At the same time, in 1967 Richard Petty was first to discover the advantage of stacking the car's ballast weight disproportionately onto the left side (which had not yet been ruled illegal in 1967).  And Petty's team also had the money/resources to run twice as many smaller races per year, whereas many other teams only ran for the biggest prizes in those days.

   

[RallyeMike]

I was waiting for someone to take the bait...  hehehe...

Blurbble (What sound does a fish make when it gets hooked?)   

How about a 2" chop top on the Gen III, Did they try that? That would fit into any modification. Seriously though, where can a find the full package of this this info? - looks like interesting reading. How did you get access to it? The aero stuff has a real world application for me, so I'm interested.

Think about it...  a Charger Daytona with a SMALL BLOCK was able to run with the 1971 model year offerings of Ford, GM, Plymouth and Dodge - all powered by big block Hemi's, TunnelPorts, etc.

No dispute that the Daytona had an enormous advantage over any other make. Really, although meeting Nascars written rules, they had an unfair advantage as proven beyond any doubt by the small-block 71 cars. I actually agree with Frances' decision to ban the cars which were not really "stock" cars, but specially produced vehicles for racing purposes.  It was really just a glimpse of things to come and where Nascar is today. 

At the same time, in 1967 Richard Petty was first to discover the advantage of stacking the car's ballast weight disproportionately onto the left side

Hey! If youre going to bring talent and resources into this discussion it makes it harder to argue about which car is better 

[hemigeno]

I was waiting for someone to take the bait...  hehehe...

Blurbble (What sound does a fish make when it gets hooked?)   

 

How about a 2" chop top on the Gen III, Did they try that? That would fit into any modification. Seriously though, where can a find the full package of this this info? - looks like interesting reading. How did you get access to it? The aero stuff has a real world application for me, so I'm interested.

Well, you're correct, that definitely falls under "any" modification.  That might do the trick too, although Junior Johnson (and his illegal Banana car) already went that route - I think that was 1967, but it's been a while since I read about that.  They let him race with it anyway, which caused quite an uproar at the time.  I guess I was referring to any combination of aero mods that the Chrysler engineers tested in the wind tunnel.  Hey, if you knew what my source was, you might not have nibbled on the hook!!!

I don't think the full report is available on-line, but you can get a lot of report excerpts and charts, etc. from:

http://aerowarriors.com

Click on the Table of Contents, and look for the G-series wind tunnel test reports down near the bottom of the list.  Get a comfortable chair and a cold drink, as there's a TON of good information on that site in general.

I can definitely see where you'd be interested in that subject.  Do ya think they'd let you run an aero nose and wing on your car if you showed them all the research Chrysler had put into the aero mods on the III Gens??  That would be awesome to see!!!

Think about it...  a Charger Daytona with a SMALL BLOCK was able to run with the 1971 model year offerings of Ford, GM, Plymouth and Dodge - all powered by big block Hemi's, TunnelPorts, etc.

No dispute that the Daytona had an enormous advantage over any other make. Really, although meeting Nascars written rules, they had an unfair advantage as proven beyond any doubt by the small-block 71 cars. I actually agree with Frances' decision to ban the cars which were not really "stock" cars, but specially produced vehicles for racing purposes.  It was really just a glimpse of things to come and where Nascar is today. 

Yeah, I agree - the Daytona was a purpose-built car, that had only one objective: Go fast on oval tracks.  Big Bill did see that the one-upsmanship brewing between Ford and Chrysler was going to get progressively worse, and that these special cars didn't resemble the majority of cars in showrooms and on the road.  For that same reason, I'm not nearly as big a fan of today's brand of racing - the cars bear hardly any connection to today's street cars.  At least back then, there really were Charger500's, Daytonas, Superbirds, Cyclone II Spoilers and Talladegas out on the streets.  THAT'S the cool part of the connection for me.

[BigBlackDodge]

make a '70 Charger painted up like Isaac's short track car

Sounds pretty cool except for the part of stopping at just a paint job   

Yeah, I know. But I just can't bring myself to cut it up. I still want to be able to take family out for a cruise now and then and I don't think my wife would be to keen on climbing through a window to get in! Paint, stickers, tires, exhaust............thats my idea so far.

Onto Derr.......................there was a mag article a few years back about one of his Chargers..............'69 or '70..can't remember. The car was basicly parked after a dirt track race and shoved into a barn. The car was banged up a bit and still had dirt clods wedged up in the fender wells. I think it mentioned he may have had around 500 wins through out his career.

I'll dig around and see if I can find the mag again.


BBD

[Ghoste]

 
I like Richard Petty and all. 
But from what I understand, he won all those races in '67 partly because of a combination of factors in his favor. 

First off, Ford was more or less boycotting the 1967 season just like Mopar did in '66.  At the same time, in 1967 Richard Petty was first to discover the advantage of stacking the car's ballast weight disproportionately onto the left side (which had not yet been ruled illegal in 1967).  And Petty's team also had the money/resources to run twice as many smaller races per year, whereas many other teams only ran for the biggest prizes in those days.

Two conversations going on at once but I did want to mention that Ford was back in 67.  It was 65 that Chrysler boycotted and 66 that Ford boycotted.  The ballast and money to run every track would certainly be factors in his overall total but I think his boxy Plymouth still outran the fastback Chargers on the superspeedways.

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

i like allisons daytona or plain 69 charger-MATT issacs ok great lookin in the 70 version tho

[Mike DC]

 

Ford was back in 67.  It was 65 that Chrysler boycotted and 66 that Ford boycotted

Oh yeah, youre right! 
The Ford boycott was '65 that I'm thinking of.  My bad.