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Can a Mercedes diesel engine be swapped into a 68 Charger?

Started by smithenhiven, March 16, 2018, 05:39:52 PM

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smithenhiven

I guess the answer is yes.

https://youtu.be/AziGOGfOga8
(Disregard the crappy background music)

I think this is kinda neat, I stumbled across this while searching for diesel swap ideas, as I have an engineless 70 Fury that I'd like to swap a 12 valve cummins into.

68X426


Wow. A 3 liter diesel putting out 680hp and 928tq is awesome.

The not wow part is busting up turbines and all that black crap smoke.  Turns me off.

Love your Cummins Fury idea.   :2thumbs:





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Mike DC

  
Take a Mopar with a stock 440 and stack about 15 concrete blocks onto the hood.  That's what a modern Cummins diesel engine weighs.

If you want to spin tires and go in a straight line and be different, then go for it.  

Me, I like a car with some cornering & braking agility.




JR

Personally, I find diesel engines to be too agricultural, slow revving, heavy, and smelly to be enjoyable, but considering the owner of this car lives in the U.K., where fuel is 7.50/gallon or whatever, it makes since. I can't blame him.

But by all means, if the car ever comes back to the U.S., I'd be all for throwing the diesel in the trash and putting a gasoline fed V8 back in. The way nature intended. :icon_smile_big:
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alfaitalia

I here ya....but from that description it sounds like you have not driven any diesel fitted to a modern car (not truck engines) built in the last 10 years or so...lol!
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Fitz73Chrgr

Did you guys see that Hot Rod Garage is putting a 12V Cummins in a 70 El Camino?  It was either that or a 2JZ.  I would have voted for the Toyota motor.  Smaller, lighter and would make more people angry.
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cbrestorations

People try and be different but then fail on popularity. Diesels are not hotrod engines...don't sound cool, heavy and have to totally rely on that turbo to get out of its own way. If ur looking for pulling power and economy great...other than that they are retarded in muscle cars

alfaitalia

.....and of course those 6 diesel cars that won 24 hour LeMans race 6 years in a row.....kicking the buts of all those gas full works racers....they were slow too!! Not saying that I would ever put a diesel in a Charger (and I'm in the UK...land of expensive fuel) but the point is that a modern diesel is neither slow, that heavy and they sound pretty darn good....tractor sounding diesels on Euro cars are a thing of the past. Look at the performance and hp figures(many are 3 or 400 bhp and still getting 40 mpg) and more importantly torque of the latest generation of Mercedes and BMWs etc.....they make the gas models feel flat and lifeless. Torque is king!!
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Lennard

This:

Quote from: cbrestorations on March 17, 2018, 10:48:01 AM
People try and be different but then fail on popularity. Diesels are retarded in muscle cars.
:iagree:
Don't care how fast they are and how much horsepower and torque they make.

JR

Quote from: Fitz73Chrgr on March 17, 2018, 03:09:35 AM
Did you guys see that Hot Rod Garage is putting a 12V Cummins in a 70 El Camino?  It was either that or a 2JZ.  I would have voted for the Toyota motor.  Smaller, lighter and would make more people angry.

Yup, it's a diesel. Bummer.
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I can feel the horrible weight balance (70/30?) and smell the exhaust through the screen. This thing is going to drive terribly. (Sorry to be negative, I can't help it on this one.)

The 2jz would have been way cooler.
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Nacho-RT74

Quote from: alfaitalia on March 17, 2018, 02:57:11 AM
I here ya....but from that description it sounds like you have not driven any diesel fitted to a modern car (not truck engines) built in the last 10 years or so...lol!

:iagree:

not a fan of diesel and I don't have to being on the cheap gas land, but they have got really serious advances on that.

I guess when I cross the Atlantic ocean will have to look on that thought
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( I liked the vanish effect down the smoke when "giving gas" on the road LOL )
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alfaitalia

Lol...yep. If he had set it up to actually burn rather more of that fuel instead of just using it to roll coal he might have found another few horses.
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I'm not trying to crap on people's projects.  But people should know what they are getting into.  The weight problems with a big diesel are above & beyond normal engine swapping.  The factory would have used a full truck frame (or a rollcage) for anything like that.



smithenhiven

I hear you about the weight issue, and believe me, if the car I'm planning to diesel swap was anything other than a Plymouth Fury, such as a Charger, I wouldnt even consider it.

It's basically just going to be a trailer hauler, with the end goal of it getting better MPGs than a gas equivalent.

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That Charger is so cool! I'd drive that just like it is and love every second of driving. The only thing I wouldn't like would be cleaning the soot off after every drive.
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ws23rt

I like having fun with cars. This looks like fun to me.

alfaitalia

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on March 17, 2018, 06:13:56 PM
   




I'm not trying to crap on people's projects.  But people should know what they are getting into.  The weight problems with a big diesel are above & beyond normal engine swapping.  The factory would have used a full truck frame (or a rollcage) for anything like that.





True...but the Mercedes Inline six diesel used in the OP only weighs 462lb (dry). 188lbs less than a BB.
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John_Kunkel

Quote from: 68X426 on March 16, 2018, 06:04:21 PM
all that black crap smoke.  Turns me off.

Yeah, "rollin' coal" and "sooting" seem to be the mantra of the diesel guys. Just as dumb as burnouts, maybe worse. :down:
Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

Mike DC

  
QuoteTrue...but the Mercedes Inline six diesel used in the OP only weighs 462lb (dry). 188lbs less than a BB.

Yeah, I realize that.  But that's more of a car engine in the first place.  

Most musclecar guys kicking around the idea of a diesel swap are looking at the huge torque-monster diesels in big American pickup trucks.


(BTW, that photoshop I did is not an exaggeration.  That really is what 450 lbs worth of cinder blocks would look like.  The only thing wrong with that image is that the block pile has not collapsed the car's hood.)


Kern Dog

Quote from: John_Kunkel on March 18, 2018, 04:53:17 PM
Quote from: 68X426 on March 16, 2018, 06:04:21 PM
all that black crap smoke.  Turns me off.

Yeah, "rollin' coal" and "sooting" seem to be the mantra of the diesel guys. Just as dumb as burnouts, maybe worse. :down:
You seem to be a real fun guy to know.
Burnouts are fun. Have you ever had fun ??

John_Kunkel

Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

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