Mr. Norm 72 Charger at Auction (is that estimate accurate?)

[Ghoste]

A question for third gen fans and I apologize if this car is already being discussed here somewhere but I didnt see it.  Its a low mile 1972 that is a Grand Spaulding car and loaded right up but I look at that estimate and wonder do they really bring that kind of money?  I admit my 2nd gen blinders here.

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24809/lot/121/?category=list&length=10&page=6

[jefferson]

Yes. Seems that's what they are going for now. Try getting one here in Australia lol. 65k for a driver is nothing. Here a full restored one is 100k++ sucks

[Ghoste]

Would you pay that if you were here in the US though?

[Nacho-RT74]

Usually a 3rd gen on that price rate could be more a 71 R/T or Bee ( on around same 2nd gens rates ) than a 72 and laters. After that, the 72 Rallye could be the second best valued... 71SEs, then the rest.

I can't really say this a "FULLY LOADED" car like they advertise! I don't find any fashion equipment on it away from the SE package which any SE could get. I see more value on the conditions, mileage and engine, than anything else to make it really special.

If some value, more on bottom line of that rate than the upper line

[Ghoste]

Thanks Nacho.  Do you think the Mr. Norm part carries much importance with it being slightly after the musclecar golden era?

[CDN72SE]

Very nice car that's for sure, I think it would be worth the lower end of what they are offering. It's definitely the low mileage and perhaps the colour that makes it stand out and I guess the Mr. Norm stuff.

It has Triple Weber Carburetors that threw me off, not sure about fully loaded plus it doesn't have front disc brakes which I would consider a fully loaded car to have. Thanks for posting it as a 72SE owner I love seeing really nice examples.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

It has Triple Weber Carburetors that threw me off, not sure about fully loaded plus it doesn't have front disc brakes which I would consider a fully loaded car to have. 

Dopes.....


440ci OHV V8 engine
Triple Weber Carburetors
335hp at 4,400 rpm
3-Speed Automatic Transmission
Independent Front Suspension - Live Rear Axle
4-Wheel Drum Brakes

[alfaitalia]

Would you pay that if you were here in the US though?

I thought Amelia Island WAS in the states...Florida??

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

I like how they added in the fake Mr. Norms license plate frame as thought it was real.  Mr. Norm never did plate frames, he did stickers.

[Ghoste]

Would you pay that if you were here in the US though?

I thought Amelia Island WAS in the states...Florida??

The first response to the original post was based on trying to find one in Australia.  My reply to him was if he would feel the estimate was accurate were he in the US and seeking one with more examples to pick from.

[Ghoste]

I like how they added in the fake Mr. Norms license plate frame as thought it was real.  Mr. Norm never did plate frames, he did stickers.

The deck lid decal appears to be remarkably well preserved also.

[Nacho-RT74]

They post the correction at the bottom of the page

Please note, this vehicle is fitted with a single 4 barrel carburetor, not 3 as mentioned in the catalog.

Thanks Nacho.  Do you think the Mr. Norm part carries much importance with it being slightly after the musclecar golden era?

I recall have seen Mrs Norms 73/74 around too.

I don't think the "muscle car era" was finished with awareness at some specific year back in the days, but later just looking backward.

About this car, Mr.Norms or not, the car worths some by itself no matter who ordered it. As I mentioned I can't see anything REALLY special out of any extra options available from any other dealer.

[Nacho-RT74]

It has Triple Weber Carburetors that threw me off, not sure about fully loaded plus it doesn't have front disc brakes which I would consider a fully loaded car to have. 

Dopes.....


440ci OHV V8 engine
Triple Weber Carburetors
335hp at 4,400 rpm
3-Speed Automatic Transmission
Independent Front Suspension - Live Rear Axle
4-Wheel Drum Brakes

about this I think there is another mistake... 4 wheel drum brakes. I see a front disc master cylinder kind

[Nacho-RT74]

another interesting stuff, on check list they mark 3 speeds wipers but made the correction to variable at a side. Actually the Var speeds wipers were an option just on 71 although 72 Dealers databook still mention that. Maybe SOME EARLIERS still got the 71 variable speeds, but the real is 72s began to get 3 speeds instead variable.

It can be indeed an earlier 72 production due the fender emblems. Hard to find cars with those. Usually earliers production.

[Troy]

What was the estimate? It says "Sold for US$ 42,560 inc. premium" (the "Buyer's Premium" is 12% so hammer price was $38,000).

Troy

[Ghoste]

Estimate was 50 to 80.

[VegasCharger]

Usually a 3rd gen on that price rate could be more a 71 R/T or Bee ( on around same 2nd gens rates ) than a 72 and laters. After that, the 72 Rallye could be the second best valued... 71SEs, then the rest.

I would say a '73 Rallye Charger BB 4 speed highly optioned would hold some weight with the 3rd gens.

[Nacho-RT74]

No more than a 71 R/T or SB... or even same setup on a 72 rallye. HiPo 71s are valued close enough to 2nd gens.  I think any BB 71SE could be very well lined up to a 73 Rallye 440 4 speeds. Everything depending on conditions of course.

Is just a thought/opinion. Lot of variables to be considered. I don't think I have the word on this.

per NADAGUIDES, my car on the high retail could be on $27K or so per I recall, but my car is being body restored. So maybe mine could be on $20-22K once finished and a similar one with just a paint job with original sheet metal could be close to the nadaguides high retail rate ?

Now, my car maybe in Europe could be in $30K rate ? I watched one coupe not hardtop, with standard cluster, some fashion paint job and ugly grilles, and I think it had a BB GM engine going into 30K€    )

Lot of variables. And depending on seller, timming to sell it catching the right buyer.

[Nacho-RT74]

actually reached 37K€ ( that is US$42-44K, insane )... I don't think worths something like that, not even half of that, but some ignorance added to this sure raised the price.

https://auktion.catawiki.de/kavels/12043427-dodge-charger-1973

now check this, which looks WAY BETTER than the previous one, and WAY MORE INTERESTING model, being ( PROBABLY for real ) an SE with hardtop option ( they don't grow at the threes ) and it seems "just got" 22.5K€.... simply I don't get it

https://auktion.catawiki.de/kavels/12377689-dodge-charger-se-1973

but european market is more a lottery I think. Market in USA is more predictable. I can't stand the fact the black one got what it got being either an uncommon SE hardtop with bulged hood added or maybe a Real rallye hardtop with brougham panels ( uncommon stuff too ) and the SE grilles and dash emblem added ( imposible to know it without the VIN ), in any of cases with a real Mopar BB in it no matter if original or not... more than the definitelly plain jane coupe with a non Mopar drivetrain ( it seems was in fact a small block or even /6 per the passenger side inner fender, which was cut anywway maybe to better fit the GM engine got at this moment ), ugly trim finish the green is

about the 72SE being discussed... I think it was "good priced" as mentioned. Something on $50K was maybe good enough too ? ( definitelly no more ) as I and CDN72SE pointed out, more for the conditions, mileage and drivetrain, than the "highly loaded" ( which I can't see really ) and Mr Norms deals itself. If it was being watched by real knowledge Mopar guys, mostly sure they could know the "high options" description on it are not really something to bite... however having the documentation could raise the price too.

[alfaitalia]

That's mainland Europe...we don't have Euro's!....71-74 Chargers don't get close to 68-69 Charger values in the UK. Might be nearer the 70 which is much less popular here...to the point that I've never seen one in the metal.....but even then I doubt you could by a 70 for the money a 71-74 would get....even a rough one.

[Nacho-RT74]

Well I can't talk about that, just posting what I have found. Crazy prices over there on models doesn't worth that. Althought if you ask me, the black one could get way more.

[Nacho-RT74]

That's mainland Europe...we don't have Euro's!....71-74 Chargers don't get close to 68-69 Charger values in the UK. Might be nearer the 70 which is much less popular here... to the point that I've never seen one in the metal.....but even then I doubt you could by a 70 for the money a 71-74 would get....even a rough one.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DODGE-1970-CHARGER-R-T-DICK-LANDY-IN-SILVER-AND-RED-1-18-SCALE-DIE-CAST/112854047657?hash=item1a46a01ba9:g:DyQAAOSwFHZan8zr

[400sforever]

I've got a 74 rallye 400 4 speed real mr norms car with all the paperwork. It's the white one with the red reflective stripe. Trunk sticker is in nice shape! I'd take 40,000 for it!