Anyone ever put a modern 5.7 or 6.1 L Hemi in there charger?

[Troy]

i thought about this a couple times, but


pretty much any stock 440 with a fresh rebuild ($2800), aluminum heads ($2500), Roller rockers ($400) ,hydraulic roller cam kit ($800), about $6500 still out perform a 5.7 hemi...just my 

plus the cool factor is nice when you open the hood

A "stock" 5.7 Hemi that you can get from the junkyard for $1,000? Yeah, I'd hope so! Throw another $5,500 at the new one and see how the comparison goes. For the record, I have a pile of 440s but I also have a 5.9 Magnum and a 5.7 Hemi that I pulled from a junkyard for less than I paid for my last 440 long block. If there was a cheap, simple wiring solution for the new Hemi you'd see a lot more in old cars (and by that I mean a wiring harness that doesn't cost more than the engine!). The Magnums are dead simple to retrofit and stroker kits are so cheap you think you're working on a Chevy. The low end grunt is pretty amazing - and you can do it while still keeping the EFI so the mileage is respectable.

Troy

[moparstuart]

 Larry Ropers Cuda is a 5.9 injected hes had it together for years  , great built

[chargerperson]

I don't need a V10 .... was thinking the 5.7 or 6.4

If you're thinking of the 5.7 you may as well go with the 6.4 for another 100ish HP.

I have a 6.4 in my 67 Charger.  Car had 78 400 when I bought it so was clearly non-original, non period correct.  Don't drive it that much, about 1,000-1,500 miles per year so fuel injection is nice for starting the car after it has been sitting for a few weeks at a time.

I don't have anywhere near the skills or time to pull it off the transformation so I had s restoration shop do the work while restoring the rest of the car.  Was an expensive endeavor but the car came out great and is fun to drive.  Went with 6 speed tremec, RMS suspension, Wilwood brakes (and vintage air).  Kept the car all original in appearance except for 17" tires to fit over the brakes.  Even used an original 4 speed shifter from a 66-67 for the 6 speed tremec

In hindsight, maybe should have gone with 5 speed transmission as we had to cut the tunnel a fair amount to fit the 6 speed.  Don't really use 6th gear unless I am on the highway cruising

With no emissions, headers and 3' exhaust stock 6.4 (2015) is enough horsepower for me.

[Ponch ®]

i thought about this a couple times, but


pretty much any stock 440 with a fresh rebuild ($2800), aluminum heads ($2500), Roller rockers ($400) ,hydraulic roller cam kit ($800), about $6500 still out perform a 5.7 hemi...just my 

plus the cool factor is nice when you open the hood

If there was a cheap, simple wiring solution for the new Hemi you'd see a lot more in old cars (and by that I mean a wiring harness that doesn't cost more than the engine!).

Troy

This.

By the time you get the MOPAR kit (which only works on 14-up hemis), the one by holley or edelbrock or whoever is making them, or pay plumfloored or some place like it to reprogram the computer, you're already $1500-2500 into the swap.

anyway, any of them 440's you got laying around in good running condition? 

[funknut]

I don't know what 5.7L hemi's are going for, but I'd guess around $1500.  I've seen wrecked 5.7 cars go for around $3k and you get everything you need to do the swap except motor mounts, headers and ECM.  The MS3 gold box kit gives you a high performance ECM capable of running boost, nitrous, 2-step, and hundreds of other features for $1300 including the engine harness.

http://www.efisource.com/shop/ms3-gen3-hemi-plug-play-gold-box/

With a $250 cam and springs you can get 450hp out of a '08 or later 5.7.

It may not have the cool factor of a big block, and may not be a 'budget' option, but it can put down some respectable (and reliable) power for less than you may think.

[70B5Cuda]

It's not hard to get a cheap modern engine if you don't mind putting in some work. I've bought and parted out over 50 hailed out, wrecked, rolled, stolen, flooded, and burned SRT8's.

As for engine management, the number of offerings and price points have come down too. It will never be as cheap as GM but when has Mopar ever been as cheap as GM.

[Troy]

i thought about this a couple times, but


pretty much any stock 440 with a fresh rebuild ($2800), aluminum heads ($2500), Roller rockers ($400) ,hydraulic roller cam kit ($800), about $6500 still out perform a 5.7 hemi...just my 

plus the cool factor is nice when you open the hood

If there was a cheap, simple wiring solution for the new Hemi you'd see a lot more in old cars (and by that I mean a wiring harness that doesn't cost more than the engine!).

Troy

This.

By the time you get the MOPAR kit (which only works on 14-up hemis), the one by holley or edelbrock or whoever is making them, or pay plumfloored or some place like it to reprogram the computer, you're already $1500-2500 into the swap.

anyway, any of them 440's you got laying around in good running condition? 

All but one and that's because it needed bored... and now I'm just finishing up a run test stand so I don't need a car to play with them.

Troy

[Troy]

I don't know what 5.7L hemi's are going for, but I'd guess around $1500.  I've seen wrecked 5.7 cars go for around $3k and you get everything you need to do the swap except motor mounts, headers and ECM.  The MS3 gold box kit gives you a high performance ECM capable of running boost, nitrous, 2-step, and hundreds of other features for $1300 including the engine harness.

http://www.efisource.com/shop/ms3-gen3-hemi-plug-play-gold-box/

With a $250 cam and springs you can get 450hp out of a '08 or later 5.7.

It may not have the cool factor of a big block, and may not be a 'budget' option, but it can put down some respectable (and reliable) power for less than you may think.

I got mine (2006) at a yard east of us with 33kmi and a 12 month warranty for about $1,000. What I failed to realize (my fault) is that the "engine" doesn't come with any accessories. They scrap all that stuff! I got most of the brackets off a member here. The only thing I remember worrying about with aftermarket ECUs is that my engine has MDS and, at the time, none would handle it so I'd need to lock it out some way. I'm not sure if that has changed or if MegaSquirt has a mod to do it yet.

Troy

[funknut]

$1000 sounds like a pretty great price. Great point about the front accessories, they can get quite expensive.  I don't know if Megasquirt can control MDS, but if you're not attached to it, deleting MDS is pretty easy, just remove the solenoids and replace with plugs like these:

http://www.highhorseperformance.com/MOPAR_6_1L_MDS_Block_Plug_p/mds-plug.htm

[mtz01]

doesn't mopar now sell the wiring harness for these motors

[lukedukem]

doesn't mopar now sell the wiring harness for these motors

Yes, but it only works on 2014 and up I believe.

Luke

[Rolling_Thunder]

and the harnesses are expensive as hell...    the best bet would be going with a MS3 and doing the legwork...      once someone does a base line tune for the 5.7, 6.1, 6.4 - they can simply share the file and boom - everyone can be up and running in a weekend.

I have a programmed factory ECU in my charger currently but have an MS3 on the shelf - whenever i get back to CA I plan on starting to do all the programming. honestly - the complicated part used to be the 36-3+3 wheel the Hemi uses...   now the MS3 already has that wheel pre-programmed as an option so it is literally setting up fuel / park maps...     I dont know if the MS3 can control MDS - but honestly I don't see the need for that system.

Only other thing is needing to swap to a cable operated throttle body - cheap adapter and even cheaper 90+mm LS1 throttle body works

[ACUDANUT]

When it really comes down to it, your buying a Fiat engine. 

[alfaitalia]

I might be proven wrong but I think they had been designed a long time before the FIAT take over. That's why I bought an earlier Jeep...so it would have Daimler/Chrysler (Mercedes) engine in it rather than a Fiat one!

[70B5Cuda]

When it really comes down to it, your buying a Fiat engine. 

Yes, Dodge is now owned by FIAT, but the HEMI engines are NOT FIAT engines by any stretch of the imagination. Some hemi engines are better then others but the hemp's are all good engines.

[ACUDANUT]

That is kinda like saying my Toyota was made in the USA, so I feel better.  Ok, so they don't have import fee's doing this, and yet...Still The Japanese still make money doing it this way.
I lived in Japan for over a year. They are more patriotic to their own brands, than we are of ours...Visit Japan and count how many American cars you count, and see it  yourself. 
Just a thought to ponder.  I love the Japanese people. PEACE.