Production number clarification for '69 Charger 500 and '69 Charger Daytona

[Dragon Slayer]

Is this shipping list available publicly?  The GG Decode paper work on my car stated that it was sold out of a dealer ship in my state.  Using the local Mopar club I was able talk to the Dodge service manager for this area during the 60s.  Had become a Dodge Dealer later in life.  Turns out the Dealer that GG stated on the document did not exist in 1969.  That dealership formed in mid 70s.  When I confronted them with this information, I was told that my car was not specifically on the "shipping List", but they had heard information that is where the car came from.  Why something like that would be put on the documents and signed as truthful is baffling.

[nascarxx29]

On maxwedge.com they have dealership. Listed and years and location

[nascarxx29]

http://maxwedge.com/dealerships/

[nascarxx29]

http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/scat/scat-pack-dealers.html

[taxspeaker]

If someone wants to make the detailed daytona information public, I own www.69dodgedaytona.com URL (website address) and would contribute it to the cause, but only if it is a public website.

Bob

[6bblgt]

Page 15 240 Charger 500s newspapers clipping
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7862.325.html

understand what is being stated - the car went officially on sale 9/19/68, by early December: 240 were built at Hamtramck MI, shipped to/and converted by Creative Industries & delivered to a Dodge dealership (tracking a completed build and sale, as far as Chrysler Corp. was concerned).

Dec. 12-14, 1968 - Southern Racing Public Relations meeting ..... A list of 240 Charger 500 models and dealers that got them was provided to Lin Kuchler.

[6bblgt]

and solving possible duplicates due to typos/poor handwriting proves difficult & time consuming 

Charger 500:
XX29J9B164092
or
XX29J9B164192

IMO - both do not exist   9B164192 is a well known former GSD car - what info is out there on the other HEMI 500 VIN?

[C500]

Why do folks want to keep their VIN numbers secret?    They are easily seen by looking through the windshield, and can't be tracked to owners personal details from there. Are they afraid someone will try and copy it, and create a duplicate car with the same VIN?  

[6bblgt]

I don't know the reasons that people have for the secrecy

but I've heard of ZERO problem/issues/other from the 1960-1965 Sonoramic Commando, D500, Max Wedge, HEMI VIN list books compiled by Darrell Davis

unless knowing how many hi-compression Max-Wedge convertibles were built, is a problem for anyone?

[richRTSE]

here is that letter stating 392...from Chrysler Engineering and Research Office in 1972 replying to a customer letter...

[6bblgt]

  & there it is

even though it is WRONG!

[moparstuart]

here is that letter stating 392...from Chrysler Engineering and Research Office in 1972 replying to a customer letter...

Nice 

[nascarxx29]

There was brochure 69 500 only with a hemi

[6bblgt]

There was brochure 69 500 only with a hemi

correct, early literature listed the '69 Charger 500 as HEMI ONLY.  the first ~40 Charger 500 VINs are HEMI (6 weeks into production)

the first 440HP 4bbl Charger 500 wasn't "scheduled" until the middle of September '68

[richRTSE]

There was brochure 69 500 only with a hemi

And a follow up brochure saying also available with 440. Not available with vinyl roof and luggage rack though...  

[Aero426]

& there it is

even though it is WRONG!

Just say no to 392.

[white]

I am sure this has been asked before but the document that said there was only 392 made how is this wrong, is there more documentation that has surfaced since 1972?  Still learning the history of these cars so thank you for any help.

[C500]

I am sure this has been asked before but the document that said there was only 392 made how is this wrong, is there more documentation that has surfaced since 1972?  Still learning the history of these cars so thank you for any help.

That's the basis behind this whole thread and on-going discussions on others. There are known cars whose VIN # isn't on the list, stories of folks with other lists documenting other 500's in excess of 500 cars, high survival rates of cars in the new database, credible members on this forum with info on other cars not published elsewhere. All adds to the element of mystique and intrigue around 500's, and curiosity levels piquing. The only official info we have is for 392... but IMO that number is not accurate for the reasons above. 

[white]

Thank you C500 for the info!

[C500]

Thank you C500 for the info!

[hemigeno]

Are there any known documented Daytonas not on the ship list?

The only one of which I'm aware is 355109.  It's a known car, and owned by a DC.com member.

There is another missing VIN in the middle of a string of sequential numbers, 410792 - but on the Dealer Invoice List that VIN is shown as being cancelled from production.  Who knows if that one exists or not (probably not??).  It's not one I have seen or heard about.

In addition to the aforementioned duplicate VINs, the Shipping List is also mucked up with MIA car #s 92 & 115.

[nascarxx29]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=68275.0
Lists job numbers for cars from 926100 to 927499 which notes 400 units.But subtracted 927499-926100 equals 1399.For 500 and Daytona total of builds?

[nascarxx29]

Daytonas not found on regular shiplist like jim fosters Daytona 355109 are seen on this listing
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=49421.60

[Dragon Slayer]

I am sure this has been asked before but the document that said there was only 392 made how is this wrong, is there more documentation that has surfaced since 1972?  Still learning the history of these cars so thank you for any help.

That's the basis behind this whole thread and on-going discussions on others. There are known cars whose VIN # isn't on the list, stories of folks with other lists documenting other 500's in excess of 500 cars, high survival rates of cars in the new database, credible members on this forum with info on other cars not published elsewhere. All adds to the element of mystique and intrigue around 500's, and curiosity levels piquing. The only official info we have is for 392... but IMO that number is not accurate for the reasons above. 

So someone has a list of these others, that total above 392?  The current list is about 305.  Not all have data filled in.  Since this list includes data of folks who saw a car in the 80s, though it may or may not exist anymore?  Do we have any published document with a number close to or above 392? 

[nascarxx29]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=8829.100