Real 70 Daytona found

[ACUDANUT]

 Met the Owner of 1 of 3 1970 Daytona's.
He is from Hays Ks and had a plum crazy 70 Daytona.

[Aero426]

You met a guy whose Daytona was constructed by a dealership body shop in 1970.    Beautiful car by the way.    But not factory.  

[ACUDANUT]

Why would a dealership "Make a Daytona" when they could not give those cars away, back in 69/70. ?

[cdr]

Why would a dealership "Make a Daytona" when they could not give those cars away, back in 69/70. ?

They had no problem selling Daytona's .

[Dave Kanofsky]

Jerry owned my car from '80 - '97 and had it in the museum.  Nice guy to me when I contacted him about previous ownership.

[70 sublime]

You met a guy whose Daytona was constructed by a dealership body shop in 1970.    Beautiful car by the way.    But not factory.  

Did they change the back window also or just left it as a stock Charger window ?

[ACUDANUT]

Why would a dealership "Make a Daytona" when they could not give those cars away, back in 69/70. ?

They had no problem selling Daytona's .

That can't be true.  I have seen adds back in the day where these cars sat and sat (Dodge and Plymouth) for years without buyers.

[birdsandbees]

They had problems moving 1920 Birds off the lots, don't think the 500+ Daytonas was a problem...

[nascarxx29]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=93735.50

[ACUDANUT]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=93735.50

Thanks for the link, but why ?

[nascarxx29]

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/16/70-daytona-urban-legend.html

[70 sublime]

http://wwnboa.org/70csed.htm


[Driver Side View From Front]
For those of you who don't think such a thing exists, here is proof that there IS a 1970 Charger Daytona! Legend has it that there were three of these cars made, however, I've never known the whereabouts of the other two. This particular machine resides with Jerry Juenemann in Hays, Kansas, where it has spent more than a decade on display in the now defunct Wheels 'N Spokes Museum.

Jerry's In-Violet Daytona was ordered new by Dr. David Jackson of Bethesda, Maryland through Parsons Dodge in Washington, DC, and delivered on February 4, 1970. It started out life at the St. Louis assembly plant as a 1970 Charger R/T SE, heavily optioned with: CRXA leather bucket seats, A33 Track Pak, C16 console, C62 manual adjustable 6-way driver's seat, J46 locking gas cap, J55 undercoating and under hood pad, M05 door edge protectors, M51 sunroof, N85 tach/clock, R22 AM/8-Track and W21 Road wheels. This Charger was also ordered with the 440+6 and 4-speed transmission.

[Engine Compartment]
Added to the list of options was the A11 Daytona Conversion Package which included the nosecone, rear wing, hood pins, special order vinyl roof**, power steering and power disc brakes at an extra cost of $657.15. Strangely, the A11 package does NOT include the Daytona tape stripe, A-pillar mouldings or the special rear window.

Upon close inspection, you can see the lower front fender valance panels appear to be a completely custom-made piece for this conversion, not like a 1969 Daytona's valances. The front wheel well moulding appears to have been made from two pieces of trim, split down near the valance panel seam. Looking under the hood at the latch tray and nosecone attachment, everything looks normal.

The 1970 Daytona's total cost, with a $68 destination charge, was $5,782.20. Not a cheap car in those days!

[Lower Front Fender Valence Area]
There are those who will say this is not a real Daytona, and technically speaking, they might have a point since the 1970 Daytona carries a VIN designation of XS29 (Charger R/T). On the other hand, the factory paperwork clearly states that this car was ordered with and received the Daytona Conversion package and Chrysler called it a Daytona, so I guess it has as much claim to being a Daytona as not. This is one argument that will probably never end......

**It is interesting to note that the factory designated a "special order vinyl roof" for the Daytona Conversion Package, however in the absence of the Charger 500/Daytona style rear window, the vinyl roof that was installed is a standard 1970 Charger piece. This makes one wonder if Chrysler had originally planned to include the rear window modification in the Daytona Conversion and then changed their minds? Or perhaps their special order vinyl roof was designated to accommodate the sunroof?

If anyone knows the whereabouts or has any information about the other two 1970 Charger Daytonas, please E-mail us at hemi@willinet.net with that information! We'll keep you posted with any updates we receive.

NOTE: The Aero Warriors site has information about another of the 1970 Daytonas.

[ACUDANUT]

 Hey, if Plymouth made 70 Wing cars , Why wouldn't Dodge ?

[Q5XX29]

Interesting... Does anybody know if Jerry Junneman is still alive/around? Supposedly, he was one of the earliest owners of my Daytona. I would like to contact him and see if he has any old photos of it. I sure would love to see some photos of my Daytona from back in "the day".

[Aero426]

Hey, if Plymouth made 70 Wing cars , Why wouldn't Dodge ?

Because they did not have to.   The 500 Daytonas came to the public so late in the 1969 model year, it was "almost" a 1970 model.    Building 500 qualified it to race through the end of 1971.
The Daytona was featured in the 1970 Scat Pack magazine brochure.   It was the only car that did not have a "1970" license tag shown.    

[Aero426]

You met a guy whose Daytona was constructed by a dealership body shop in 1970.    Beautiful car by the way.    But not factory.  

Did they change the back window also or just left it as a stock Charger window ?

Stock back glass.   No fastback.

[nascarxx29]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=93735.50

Thanks for the link, but why ? cars on page 3

[odcics2]

Why would a dealership "Make a Daytona" when they could not give those cars away, back in 69/70. ?

They had no problem selling Daytona's .

This is a hard fact!   

[odcics2]

You met a guy whose Daytona was constructed by a dealership body shop in 1970.    Beautiful car by the way.    But not factory.  

Did they change the back window also or just left it as a stock Charger window ?

Stock back glass.   No fastback.

They also forgot the very important "A" pillar trim.

Another thing: A real Daytona would have a 1969 VIN, not 70.

[70 sublime]

Was this A11 package a dealership package kind of like the MR NORM stuff or is it listed anyplace on a factory option list somewhere ?


Added to the list of options was the A11 Daytona Conversion Package which included the nosecone, rear wing, hood pins, special order vinyl roof**, power steering and power disc brakes at an extra cost of $657.15. Strangely, the A11 package does NOT include the Daytona tape stripe, A-pillar mouldings or the special rear window.

[held1823]

Interesting... Does anybody know if Jerry Junneman is still alive/around? Supposedly, he was one of the earliest owners of my Daytona. I would like to contact him and see if he has any old photos of it. I sure would love to see some photos of my Daytona from back in "the day".

we love seeing pictures of it from any day. fire up the  instamatic and bury us with 'em

[C5X DAYTONA]

http://wwnboa.org/70csed.htm


[Driver Side View From Front]
For those of you who don't think such a thing exists, here is proof that there IS a 1970 Charger Daytona! Legend has it that there were three of these cars made, however, I've never known the whereabouts of the other two. This particular machine resides with Jerry Juenemann in Hays, Kansas, where it has spent more than a decade on display in the now defunct Wheels 'N Spokes Museum.

Jerry's In-Violet Daytona was ordered new by Dr. David Jackson of Bethesda, Maryland through Parsons Dodge in Washington, DC, and delivered on February 4, 1970. It started out life at the St. Louis assembly plant as a 1970 Charger R/T SE, heavily optioned with: CRXA leather bucket seats, A33 Track Pak, C16 console, C62 manual adjustable 6-way driver's seat, J46 locking gas cap, J55 undercoating and under hood pad, M05 door edge protectors, M51 sunroof, N85 tach/clock, R22 AM/8-Track and W21 Road wheels. This Charger was also ordered with the 440+6 and 4-speed transmission.

[Engine Compartment]
Added to the list of options was the A11 Daytona Conversion Package which included the nosecone, rear wing, hood pins, special order vinyl roof**, power steering and power disc brakes at an extra cost of $657.15. Strangely, the A11 package does NOT include the Daytona tape stripe, A-pillar mouldings or the special rear window.

Upon close inspection, you can see the lower front fender valance panels appear to be a completely custom-made piece for this conversion, not like a 1969 Daytona's valances. The front wheel well moulding appears to have been made from two pieces of trim, split down near the valance panel seam. Looking under the hood at the latch tray and nosecone attachment, everything looks normal.

The 1970 Daytona's total cost, with a $68 destination charge, was $5,782.20. Not a cheap car in those days!

[Lower Front Fender Valence Area]
There are those who will say this is not a real Daytona, and technically speaking, they might have a point since the 1970 Daytona carries a VIN designation of XS29 (Charger R/T). On the other hand, the factory paperwork clearly states that this car was ordered with and received the Daytona Conversion package and Chrysler called it a Daytona, so I guess it has as much claim to being a Daytona as not. This is one argument that will probably never end......

**It is interesting to note that the factory designated a "special order vinyl roof" for the Daytona Conversion Package, however in the absence of the Charger 500/Daytona style rear window, the vinyl roof that was installed is a standard 1970 Charger piece. This makes one wonder if Chrysler had originally planned to include the rear window modification in the Daytona Conversion and then changed their minds? Or perhaps their special order vinyl roof was designated to accommodate the sunroof?

If anyone knows the whereabouts or has any information about the other two 1970 Charger Daytonas, please E-mail us at hemi@willinet.net with that information! We'll keep you posted with any updates we receive.

NOTE: The Aero Warriors site has information about another of the 1970 Daytonas.

It's not a factory sun roof car either.  The window sticker used to say on bottom...  ADD SUNROOF - ADD DAYTONA CONVERSION PACKAGE..   Car was delivered as a R/T to the dealership and taken down the street to a shop and converted.    Also it was illegal for Chrysler to assy vacuum headlights after Dec 31, 1969.   This car has a scheduled production date of 02-04-70.   Dealer converted car.   The guy who had the car converted was named Dr. Jackson.  He had stated that they contacted Bob McCurry (Dodge General Manager) to get a Daytona and that is how he was able to get a 70 Daytona.  I talked to Bob McCurry about this car and he said NEVER happened.  He went on about the 70 Charger headlight system and the Daytona's vacuum system and how they were completely different and they just would of not done it because of the liability..  Amazing that the GM of Dodge remembered that after 35 years.  But he is right.      Talk to Bill Haigh (facebook) about the other 2 1970 Daytona clones.   I can't find the page on the web about his findings.   Good stuff.

[C5X DAYTONA]

Found it..                http://www.hemibill.com/article/index.htm

[ACUDANUT]

 Fact or fiction. 

[odcics2]

By definition, A "Daytona" consists of a fastback rear glass, "A" pillar trim, nosecone, wing and supports and the fender scoops.