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Overpriced Mopar reproduction parts Rant FB group!!!

Started by Nacho-RT74, October 10, 2016, 01:50:04 PM

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ECS

Quote from: 69bfan on October 10, 2016, 11:51:26 PM
People have no ideal on the cost to manufacture a part.

That sentence is 100% correct.  Many people make erroneous blanket statements and think that their naive, simplistic perception for the way things work, somehow reflect reality.  Below is a short video showing a Stamping Process similar to the way most Automobile Panels are manufactured.  If there is not a large enough demand to amortize the investment costs, the unit price rises dramatically.  That's as simple as it is.  There is no reproduction conspiracy against Mopar related parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwkAyvS45EE
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Ponch ®

Quote from: ECS on October 11, 2016, 10:41:49 AM
Quote from: 69bfan on October 10, 2016, 11:51:26 PM
People have no ideal on the cost to manufacture a part.

That sentence is 100% correct.  Many people make erroneous blanket statements and think that their naive, simplistic perception for the way things work, somehow reflect reality.  Below is a short video showing a Stamping Process similar to the way most Automobile Panels are manufactured.  If there is not a large enough demand to amortize the investment costs, the unit price rises dramatically.  That's as simple as it is.  There is no reproduction conspiracy against Mopar related parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwkAyvS45EE

Exactly. If youre gonna make it, you gotta make some money or not make the part at all. No one goes into business to break even, let alone lose money.


And lets be real for a second and have some perspective...were talking about classic car parts here, not the price of milk. Whining about part prices seems a little shallow.
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69CoronetRT

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on October 11, 2016, 07:36:06 AM
I can understand, but I think there is a limit for it. That's why I posted similar vs similar. I understand some parts difference, like fenders as mentioned... But once again I'm compairing similar vs similar. Check for 67/69 Barracuda quarter if you want, which is even MORE SIMILAR to the 70 Camaro.

I can understand Mopar parts won't be sold the same than GMC parts. But... $1000 difference between somekind similar parts? That's way unreasonable!

I already posted several examples, and would be able to post several dozens of examples more.

I'm done, even with all the "profit" arguments, is a fact Mopar reproduction parts are way overpriced

Your examples are flawed.

74 Charger vs 69 GTO.....no comparison. Two totally different scenarios.
69 Barracuda vs 70 Camaro....not similar at all.

Parts cost what they cost due to many factors including cost to make, margin, volume, supply, demand, etc. A reasonable free market weeds out "over priced".

Again, if you truly believe you can bring products to market AND make a profit better than current suppliers, we encourage you to do it. Seeking support on FB is not r&d.
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moparnation74

Quote from: ECS on October 11, 2016, 10:41:49 AM
Quote from: 69bfan on October 10, 2016, 11:51:26 PM
People have no ideal on the cost to manufacture a part.

That sentence is 100% correct.  Many people make erroneous blanket statements and think that their naive, simplistic perception for the way things work, somehow reflect reality.  Below is a short video showing a Stamping Process similar to the way most Automobile Panels are manufactured.  If there is not a large enough demand to amortize the investment costs, the unit price rises dramatically.  That's as simple as it is.  There is no reproduction conspiracy against Mopar related parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwkAyvS45EE
Ecs may be shocked at my response but his statement above is spot on! :2thumbs:

Unless you have been involved in any type of part manufacturing then you are just shooting from the hip.  It is very expensive and the demand is really not there.....Can you imagine how long it takes to sell enough units before you can make any return on that initial investment?

I would love to see more high quality repop parts but the demand is just not there when compared to other manufacturers....

Bronzedodge

Quote from: 69bfan on October 10, 2016, 11:51:26 PM
I have been involved in this hobby for well over 30 years in all areas of its evolution.  I truly love the hobby, but at this point, it is more of a business than a hobby.  We are passionate about our families, our friends, our sports and hobbies.  But when you are the manufacture and you are putting up the money behind a project, how many of you will be willing to loose money consistently on products that will not produce a positive profit.  The simple fact that has been echoed earlier is the supply vs. demand.  People always ask me why is it so much more to do a Chrysler piece than it is to do a Chrevolet piece.  You will simply sell more of the product.  Even if you compare a 69 Charger to a 69 GTO, the demand for the GTO pieces will out weigh those for the Charger pieces.  (snip)
People have no ideal on the cost to manufacture a part.  We have several new parts in the development phase and these are what I consider pretty simplistic parts.  When you start to cost out parts, look what all goes into one.  Look at a 70 Challenger fender, there is the headlight panel plus the inner fender brace.  You do not have that on a 69 Camaro fender.  But there is a considerable amount of extra tooling required to produce the Challenger fender vs. the Camaro fender which all equates to extra cost not even accounting for the demand difference. 

I am not trying to step onto anyone's toes as I truly love the hobby, but manufactures from the giants like AMD to medium size manufactures to someone developing a product in his shop all need the support of the hobby to continue to bring new product to the market. Otherwise it is just like the shows and the parts, there will continue to be less and less available and like our NOS parts, the reproduction pieces will become as coveted as well when they are discontinued.   

100% spot on.  Then look at the demand overall - this hobby is ageing.  The era of a easy, affordable find of the 80's and 90's are long gone.  The industry is seeing that.  Lots of articles and editorials promoting taking a kid to a car show.  Why is that?  Any good businessman can see the decline coming. Lots of empty spaces at Carlisle in July.  Less cars to restore too.  I don't see demand going up.  It may have peaked years ago.
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I'd also add that if you are going to manufacture a part, it also has to be correct enough to attract the market. It will need to fit properly, look proper, have the correct stamps and codes and basically be as good as original. You can't just half-bake a part quick and easy and expect it to sell to anyone other than a hack. To make OEM equivilent pieces takes considerable time effort and expense, and if there are licensing requirements, even more expense.

This is simply supply and demand based on current markets, not original production figures, although that can also be a part of the equation as well.

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RCCDrew

Interesting. So I have done some cursory research due to this thread. Here are a few examples.
AMD
69 Charger Bumper $399.99
70 Challenger Bumper $249.99
69 Camaro Bumper $124.99

Any Mopar Rear quarter $599.99
69 Camaro Rear quarter $339.99

So the people on the side of the companies, if I can simplify, are saying that AMD has to make, for example $1,000,000 for every part manufactured. Since they plan on selling less Mopar parts then Camaro parts then they hike up the prices for the Mopar parts. Even though the steel is the same, and 90% of the tooling is the same.

I personally won't buy from people who I feel are gouging just because of my brand loyalty. But that's me. I'm just a small timer that has to make every penny go as far as possible.

Troy

Quote from: RCCDrew on October 12, 2016, 05:02:12 PM
Interesting. So I have done some cursory research due to this thread. Here are a few examples.
AMD
69 Charger Bumper $399.99
70 Challenger Bumper $249.99
69 Camaro Bumper $124.99

Any Mopar Rear quarter $599.99
69 Camaro Rear quarter $339.99

So the people on the side of the companies, if I can simplify, are saying that AMD has to make, for example $1,000,000 for every part manufactured. Since they plan on selling less Mopar parts then Camaro parts then they hike up the prices for the Mopar parts. Even though the steel is the same, and 90% of the tooling is the same.

I personally won't buy from people who I feel are gouging just because of my brand loyalty. But that's me. I'm just a small timer that has to make every penny go as far as possible.
Boy I'm glad you picked parts from the same company! It's amazing how some people will pick something (say ECS carpet) for a Mopar then compare it to "blem" material from a low end supplier for a Mustang. The really nice door panels for my Mach 1 cost slightly more than the really nice ones I got for my Challenger. The cheap, crap bumpers for the Mach 1 had to be "fitted" by having a guy on each end try to wrap it around a pole. Yes, you can buy cheap parts for other makes - but most are junk. The good stuff still carries a decent price tag unless it's something with a HUGE market like fitting several desirable models for several years. A lot of Mopar parts are only made by a single vendor so you have nothing to compare it to. Look at upper door pads. Once there were none. Now there are 2. Both are expensive and neither is correct. When we had multiple quarter panel vendors we proved that we wouldn't support a higher quality but more expensive alternative. This is why we don't have perfect reproduction grills...

Troy
Sarcasm detector, that's a real good invention.

Nacho-RT74

Quote from: RCCDrew on October 12, 2016, 05:02:12 PM
Since they plan on selling less Mopar parts then Camaro parts then they hike up the prices for the Mopar parts. Even though the steel is the same, and 90% of the tooling is the same.

I didn't want to post anymore about this because noted was to spend more energy trying to explain exactly what you told!

Yes, its a nice video the one posted by ECS about the giant printing machine, but HEY, YOU BUY THAT MACHINE JUST ONCE! Then you set it up for every piece! Of course requires casting pieces for each panel and everything, but not more than the rest!

I can't say allways is the same, but I'm sure mostly of the times they play with our "loyalty"

And I'm still wondering where did go the extra $100 of the Rallye phasered  stripes. WHICH BY THE WAY, with maybe a $1K investment ( which means selling 4 sets was already covered ), I could reproduce them better using original technique and correct colors...but I had to desist because I didn't have the money for that. ( local crisis is eating my money )

I still can't understand how you guys can accept this. A bit more expensive? Agreed, but double or even more? No way.
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Nacho-RT74

One more? If we talk about market expectations... Why a Dart quarter cost the same than a Charger quarter ? Do they expect to sell the same quarters qty for both then ? Or Challies, or Barracudas?

And what about 71 72 and 73/74 grilles... All the same price ( aprox )... Soooo do they expect to sell same qty of grilles of every model, being the 71 the most desirable one for a more valuable car ? But the 73/74s being more sold ? What's the rule here?

Once more, no sense.

Parking lenses for 71/74 cost about the same than a Chevelle 70 tail lenses set. But we got 4 years of car productions for the parking light lenses ( around 350K made maybe ? ), and Chevelle 70 just one year ( yes I know also includes 4 doors, but I can't see a market for 4 doors restoring jobs like 2 doors )! Aside the parking lenses could get more damage than a tail lense due the location. PLUS they can get one or the other side and we have to get ALLWAYS a set and not just one

If you don't like the 70 chevelle tail light lenses as an example, use any other. Say Camaro, or Mustang or whichever!

Where is the "market expectation on this"?
Sense?

Done.
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69bfan

On the above example of the cost comparison between the Charger, Challenger and Camaro;  just a simple analogy to think about.  To the actual manufacturing plant, they have no ideal how many Chargers, Challengers, Chevelles, Camaros, Mustangs or whatever was sold.  That is not a concern to them.  There only concern is how many they can sell to Vendor XYZ.  If this manufacture is dealing within a buyin cost of say $100 for 50 units then a cost of $2.00 per unit will be charged and the vendor will sell them at $4.00.  On a Camaro, the vendor is able to sell his 50 units in the first run.  For the Charger bumper, the vendor will sell one fourth of the number as compared to the GM piece.  So he has lets say 13 units to sell to recoup his $100.  Thus his cost per unit is $7.69.  With the same profit ratio, this same vendor would have to sale his Charger piece for $15.38 to make the same profit ratio.  
The corporate world of the reproduction parts is no different than that of Fortune 500 companies.  If anything, it is tighter as when we approach a manufacture to do a part we are talking about much smaller scales than that of GM or Ford.  That is why most of us will try to do projects using smaller scale manufactures as well.  We simply do not have the financials as say other industries have.  The other obstacle that you run into is that if you fail to meet your yearly quota on purchase pieces, they will go to competitor ABC and sell them the same part as they were selling to you.  The only thing about this is that vendor ABC did not pay any of the startup and development cost, so the original vendor now has another competitor selling his product that he developed with no cost to serve being factored in.  
As I stated in a previous post, I am not bashing anyone, but just trying to educate the buying public the cost to provide a quality product to the consumer.  And then you factor in the cost to package, transportation, market, that all has to be added into the equation.  
Take a trip to any major marque show whether it be GM, Ford or Mopar and you will see less major vendors filling the grounds over what was there 15 years ago.  Some simply do not attend because the cost associated to attending vs. sales generated, others have been bought up or they are no longer in business.  The point is that fewer and fewer will be entering into the market place and you will continue to see a decline in this growth.  For anyone who are members of SEMA or ARMO, then the numbers will validate this.
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Nacho-RT74

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ECS

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on October 12, 2016, 07:40:42 PM

Yes, its a nice video the one posted by ECS about the giant printing machine, but HEY, YOU BUY THAT MACHINE JUST ONCE! Then you set it up for every piece! Of course requires casting pieces for each panel and everything, but not more than the rest!

It's the progressive Stamping Dies that cost a fortune.  For every single piece that is required to make a complete Fender, there has to be a Stamping Die to manufacture those particular pieces.   You guys keep assuming that a Fender is simply a Fender.  They're not!  A Cuda and/or Challenger Fender has more individual pieces to make the entire substructure than a Camaro does.  A Camaro Fender doesn't have some of the smaller pieces welded to the main Fender frame, underside bracing, side Gill stampings, etc.......  A Camaro Fender is pretty simple in sub-assembly components compared to that of an E Body.  So again, some of you are using your limited knowledge about this topic to form erroneous opinions about component construction.

I am not involved in Mountain climbing and have never attempted anything of the sort.  Because of that fact, I wouldn't have the audacity to tell someone who has climbed and conquered Mount Everest, "Hey......what's the big deal?  All you have to do is keep walking up the side of the Mountain until you get to the top!  What sounds so hard about that?"

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ECS

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on October 12, 2016, 07:48:40 PM
One more? If we talk about market expectations... Why a Dart quarter cost the same than a Charger quarter ? Do they expect to sell the same quarters qty for both then ? Or Challies, or Barracudas?

Please answer this question.  Let's say it cost you $100,000 to manufacture a Trunk Pan for a 1970 Challenger.  It also costs you $100,000 to manufacture a 1970 Mustang Trunk Pan.  There were approximately 45,000 1970 Challengers built and approximately 191,000 1970 Mustangs built.  Based on those manufacturing numbers, you plan on getting 30% sales from each of those Markets.  That means you anticipate selling 13,500 Challenger Trunk Pans that cost you $100,000 to manufacture and 57,300 Mustang Trunk Pans that cost $100,000 you to manufacture.  Based on those figures, are you going to charge the same amount for each Trunk Pan since they're both 1970 Trunk Pans?  

Now let's add another twist to the equation.  The Mustang Trunk Pan is smaller and less intricate to manufacture than the Challenger Trunk Pan.  It actually costs an additional $20,000 for the extra tooling it takes to make the 1970 Challenger Trunk Pan.  Are you still going to charge the original amount or are you going to personally absorb the additional costs and pretend that you didn't have to pay for the manufacturing increase?
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Nacho-RT74

I'm noticing there is a wrong and unfair concept on the "profit"

is not right try get US$100K selling a certain ammount of a panels for each model, no matter the ammount of panels made, just get the US$100K... or whatever piece no just body panels. If was on that way, using your example Chrysler should tried to sell the Challenger in maybe US$8K back in the years while Ford selling the Mustang in US$2K just to get a "profit" ?

makes, once again, no sense. There is a wrong conception on this, definitelly.

ok, then once you sell all those expected panels, get me lowered the price, because you already fill your profit... right ?
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Nacho-RT74

one or the other piece cost about the same to be produced, no matter the brand... some can be a bit more, some others a bit less, depending on the piece dificulty... then you add a fair ammount of your income for the piece... that's all. You can't try to expect to get $100K for each kind of piece no matter how many you make and sell and share it between the expected production. is simply not fair!!!!

McDonald's sells their hamburguers at more less the same price than Burger king, but guess what? McDonald's get a larger market than Burker King in USA and also Worldwide! They can get a bit diff due the Hamburguer quality and size, but... how much is the diff between similar hamburguers? But McDonald's is not cheaper due the larger market!!!!

Or maybe a Denny's Hamburguer against Burger King ? or whichever, you name it!!! I don't know all the hamburguer restaurants up there. It is just an example.

I can put ANY kind of similar examples. Food, electronic products, etc... differences are in the materials and assembly line and final product quality, support etc...  not because the brand itself.

of course there is also low production products due the kind of manufacturing, handcrafted or special tooling and materials, or whatever which are more expensive due this... but reproduce a car part is not like this. And using same brand body panels is not like this
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http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

ECS

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on October 14, 2016, 11:12:20 AM
I'm noticing there is a wrong and unfair concept on the "profit"

is not right try get US$100K selling a certain ammount of a panels for each model, no matter the ammount of panels made, just get the US$100K... or whatever piece no just body panels. If was on that way, using your example Chrsyler should try to sell the  Challenger in maybe US$8K back in the years while Ford selling the Mustang in US$2K just to get a "profit" ?

makes, once again, no sense. There is a wrong conception on this, definitelly.

ok, then once you sell all those expected panels, get me lowered the price, because you already fill your profit... right ?


Once again, you base your "knowledge" on nothing more than your incorrect perceptions of another person's reality.  Let's make this really simple.  Let's say you are manufacturing and selling pencils.  It cost $100 for the tooling to manufacture EACH DIFFERENT color of Pencil.  50 people want "Red" Pencils and 10 people want "Blue" Pencils.  Based on the Market, the amortized cost to manufacture the Pencils will cost you $2 each for the "Red" Pencils and $10 each for the "Blue" Pencils.  That is the cost just to break even without ANY profit factored into the equation.  With that said, what price are you going to charge for your Pencils?  Are you going to charge the same amount for the "Red" ones and the "Blue" ones?  
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Nacho-RT74

well is a fact all pencil prices are more less the same no matter the color LOL. And black is allways the most sold LOL.

Faber Castell crayons are sold in boxes and individually, and you can buy any individual color you want on same price, but some colors are just used by professionals, some other for all the market ( school, professionals etc... )

A Molded Carpet for a Mustang is not the same price than a Molded Carpet for a Challenger ? and both are priced the same. Where is the "profit" here based on expected production and sales ? being molded, is needed a "diff tooling" ( yes I know, also way diff rate cost for the tooling than other parts, but still )

and not, is not based on  my "knowledgement", just thinking out loud and exposing my thoughts...

I don't think will dig more on this. Already exposed my thoughts, and is not fair.
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http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

ECS

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on October 14, 2016, 11:44:20 AM
one or the other piece cost about the same to be produced, no matter the brand... some can be a bit more, some others a bit less, depending on the piece dificulty... then you add a fair ammount of your income for the piece... that's all. You can't try to expect to get $100K for each kind of piece no matter how many you make and sell.

You would be out of business in less than a month doing what you just described.  I manufacture thousands of different style decals.  For the ones that have a larger demand, I can amortize the cost to make it profitable, keep the costs down and the doors open.  If you came to me with a "custom" decal and needed just one, it would still cost the same to manufacture that "one" as those that sell in greater volume.  If they sell for $6 each and cost $300 for engineering, artwork and setup, it would take 50 decals (sold) to break even before any return on investment could be realized.  If I had 100 different people who wanted 10 decals made for their specific purposes, I would have to charge them $30 for each decal JUST TO BREAK EVEN.  If I charged them the $6 price based on the demand from OTHER decals that sell in volume, I would lose money hand over fist.  What are you basing adding a "fair amount" on?  A "fair amount" isn't predicated on the ignorance of a Customer that has no concept for how products are made or proper accounting knowledge to run a business.  A "fair amount" is based on real numbers, not the "opinion" of someone looking for a good deal or who can't afford to buy what it is that they want.
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RCCDrew

But I will never pay  $30 a decal or $10 a pencil. I don't have to have your decal or pencil. I will restore my old rusted pencil, and pay for a cheaper decal on eBay.  :lol:

Ponch ®

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on October 14, 2016, 11:44:20 AM
one or the other piece cost about the same to be produced, no matter the brand... some can be a bit more, some others a bit less, depending on the piece dificulty... then you add a fair ammount of your income for the piece... that's all. You can't try to expect to get $100K for each kind of piece no matter how many you make and sell and share it between the expected production. is simply not fair!!!!

McDonald's sells their hamburguers at more less the same price than Burger king, but guess what? McDonald's get a larger market than Burker King in USA and also Worldwide! They can get a bit diff due the Hamburguer quality and size, but... how much is the diff between similar hamburguers? But McDonald's is not cheaper due the larger market!!!!

Or maybe a Denny's Hamburguer against Burger King ? or whichever, you name it!!! I don't know all the hamburguer restaurants up there. It is just an example.

I can put ANY kind of similar examples. Food, electronic products, etc... differences are in the materials and assembly line and final product quality, support etc...  not because the brand itself.

of course there is also low production products due the kind of manufacturing, handcrafted or special tooling and materials, or whatever which are more expensive due this... but reproduce a car part is not like this. And using same brand body panels is not like this

Bad example. McDs and BK are multinational corporations who can afford to take a loss or have a small profit margin on some items due to sheer volume. And they are constantly in price wars. Youre also forgetting that they are franchised owned and, believe it or not, prices are not always the same.

Same thing with your example of chrysler making x amount of challengers vs. amount of mustangs built. In addition, chrysler had to sell the challenger at a certain price to compete with the mustang. If there had been as much demand for it, they would have made as many as there were mustangs. But there wasnt, they manufactured less, and probably took a loss. They took a chance and didnt work out.

The reality is that most repro part makers are not huge corporations. They need to make a certain amount of profit to stay viable. They cant afford to take a loss hoping the next one works out.

Like I said earlier, these repro parts are luxuries, not necessities. I hate to be that guy that says it, but if you cant afford it, maybe its not the right hobby for you.
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ECS

Quote from: RCCDrew on October 14, 2016, 12:58:08 PM
But I will never pay  $30 a decal or $10 a pencil. I don't have to have your decal or pencil. I will restore my old rusted pencil, and pay for a cheaper decal on eBay.  :lol:

No one is forced to buy or do anything they choose not to.  For those who do care about quality and original appearing components in their Restorations, those types of products are available to them.
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Nacho-RT74

was to stop, but I can't on this specific.

Quote from: ECS on October 14, 2016, 12:07:09 PM
If you came to me with a "custom" decal and needed just one, it would still cost the same to manufacture that "one" as those that sell in greater volume.  If they sell for $6 each and cost $300 for engineering, artwork and setup, it would take 50 decals (sold) to break even before any return on investment could be realized.  If I had 100 different people who wanted 10 decals made for their specific purposes, I would have to charge them $30 for each decal JUST TO BREAK EVEN.  If I charged them the $6 price based on the demand from OTHER decals that sell in volume, I would lose money hand over fist. 

Custom job is way diff than something you are listing to the public sale as part of your products offer ;). Panels, grills etc are not something you can say custom job ;)

About the rest will not post because will never end. Once again, I'm posting opinions. Some examples are better than others I know, but in general, are somekind valid.

I'm not on the wrong hobby, but maybe on the wrong brand ? LOL. And I'm not compairing Mopars against Maserattis, but same brand neighborhood!!!
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http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html