Window sticker for my charger.

[71_Charger_R/T]

Look at what I got!







Thank you Dave and Jon at ECS!  These guys are great to work with! Super nice! And very patient! I can't say enough good about them. Everything is precise on this Monroney label, right down to the perforations on the paper! Check it out.   I'm excited to have a cool addition to my car display.  I enjoyed researching things with them for this label. I even got to talk with Wade Hickey, the son of Lynn Hickey the dealership owner. I talked at length with the original owner of the car and how he came to order it and trade in his black 68 Charger R/T on it.    History....... That's what these cars are all about!  The stories they could tell if they were human!

[Bob]

Sweet!!

[crj1968]

   now you gotta make it look old.   

[charger440six_pac]

Not perfect though. There's one small detail they missed... can you find it? 

[6bblgt]

Not perfect though. There's one small detail they missed... can you find it? 

FWIW, the dealer added V4W (not available on an R/T - STANDARD on SE) wouldn't be on the "sticker".

is there something else?

[tan top]

Look at what I got!





Thank you Dave and Jon at ECS!  These guys are great to work with! Super nice! And very patient! I can't say enough good about them. Everything is precise on this Monroney label, right down to the perforations on the paper! Check it out.   I'm excited to have a cool addition to my car display.  I enjoyed researching things with them for this label. I even got to talk with Wade Hickey, the son of Lynn Hickey the dealership owner. I talked at length with the original owner of the car and how he came to order it and trade in his black 68 Charger R/T on it.    History....... That's what these cars are all about!  The stories they could tell if they were human!

good stuff  , ive always wondered that  ,  the history of our cars & what they have seen & done    , if they could only talk eh 

[charger440six_pac]

FWIW, the dealer added V4W (not available on an R/T - STANDARD on SE) wouldn't be on the "sticker".

is there something else?

I don't see a V4W on the window sticker... 

The detail to which I refer doesn't require an in depth knowledge of the options. It's in the 'typo' category... 

[6bblgt]

when did May Avenue Dodge become Lynn Hickey Dodge?

[71_Charger_R/T]

C'mon guys!  You're bursting my bubble!  Yes the vinyl top was dealer installed so that wouldn't be on the sticker, but what are you seeing as the typo? The original owner said it was "Lynn Hickey Dodge" Do you have information otherwise 6bbl?  Dave said if I find any errors or need of change, that it would be no problem for him to change.
Please let me know what you guys know.  I'm always up for learning something new.

[charger440six_pac]

Ok, enough teasing... Here you go.



The real one on the left doesn't have the A01 option but there is also an ampersand character in the description for this option. So it appears that ECS has a font missing in their character set. Oops...  

Close up of the ampersand characters.

[6bblgt]

"charger440six_pac" can you share the complete original window sticker?
I saw the top on the car and found the OP's build thread where he stated the top was dealer added, so I thought that's what you  were referencing.

as far as "May Avenue Dodge VS. Lynn Hickey Dodge" - I just have info that they were at the same address in OKC, I do not know when "May" started/stopped or when "Hickey" started/stopped - thought maybe it came up in your conversation with the owner's son?

I asked a friend who's dad was a salesman there (at Lynn Hickey Dodge) from "late-'71 to late-'73", he also claims to have owned the OP's car for 15+ years. SMALL WORLD!!

[Homerr]

Ok, enough teasing... Here you go.
... So it appears that ECS has a font missing in their character set. Oops...  

Close up of the ampersand characters.

....

Countdown until ECS flames the hell out of this thread...

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Ok, enough teasing... Here you go.
... So it appears that ECS has a font missing in their character set. Oops... 

Close up of the ampersand characters.

....

Countdown until ECS flames the hell out of this thread...

In before the lock!   

[charger440six_pac]

"charger440six_pac" can you share the complete original window sticker?
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Since it's not for my Charger and I don't recall when or where I got the image, I'd rather not. If you just want to look at the full description of options without the identifying header data, that might be okay; I don't need an upset owner on my hands... 

[71_Charger_R/T]

"charger440six_pac" can you share the complete original window sticker?

   I asked a friend who's dad was a salesman there (at Lynn Hickey Dodge) from "late-'71 to late-'73", he also claims to have owned the OP's car for 15+ years. SMALL WORLD!!

Was that friend Scott L. ?  he is the only one that has owned it  (for about 15 years) outside of the original owner and the guy I bought it from who only had it for a couple of months.

[6bblgt]

yeah, that's him
& is ECS intentionally doing anything to prevent their window stickers from being aged & passed off as "originals"? such as the "ampersand"?
a number of car owner's/dealers think/advertise their AAA Enterprises window stickers are/as authentic.

May Avenue Dodge is listed in the 1968 "Scat Pack Dealers" list.

[71_Charger_R/T]

I called Wade hickey again to find out for absolute sure that was the "DBA" in 1971 and he told me YES, In 1971 it was Lynn Hickey Dodge, it was May ave. Dodge until 1970 and then became Lynn Hickey Dodge from '70 on.
As to the insurance of people not passing them off as real by artificial aging. I think Dave keeps a very good data-base and could call them out on it if they tried to deceive as he did with the door VIN sticker on the '70 Sublime V-code Charger R/T with (supposed) A/C and cruise.   They had aged and distressed the VIN sticker (that matched the dash VIN) to appear original and Dave showed proof of making a reproduction. I know people beat up on Dave for making these type of stickers and documents, but he is licensed by the car companies and with the Gov. to do so and is fully within the laws. He keeps good records from what I've seen and there is a clear paper trail that could bring out the truth if it came to that point. I'm personally glad he does it as they are needed in some restorations, and I like to see exact reproductions of what once was. I fully understand peoples fear of others using it to defraud, but anything can be used for wrong in some way or fashion. I'm not sure but you may be right. The ampersand omission may be that way of "watermarking" them. I will ask that of Dave when I contact him to see if that can be corrected.
Thank you guys, for your input and questions! If there is anything else you see or question, let me know and I will try to find the concrete correct answer. I like to have things correct but my desire is to be accurate and not deceive. I also want to give credit to those who help me get these things accurate. So, thank you "Charger440six" and "6bbl"(another way of keeping a future owner from deceiving is to have this type of public forum to refer to. You can see I'm not trying to hide anything. My car is what it is and thats all.  

[charger440six_pac]

I'm curious what ECS has to say, I'm considering having them do a window sticker for my car (that's why I've been researching them).

At the end of the day, you must keep in mind you have a pretty nice reproduction. I didn't see anything else wrong with it. A non-Mopar person would never spot the typo and most Mopar guys probably wouldn't notice it either. If Dave can correct it, even better. 

[ECS]

I'm curious what ECS has to say.........If Dave can correct it, even better.

Thanks for the responses.  The mixup was definitely on our end.  We are using a different format for making these and Lyndon's unit exposed a glitch in our new format.  We do in fact have every original character and the Fonts we use are made from the original ones used by Chrysler.  It took a long time to set up the MANY option codes for the 1970 thru 1971 vehicles.  We now enter the information into a different program and "auto character" did not recognize that particular code and switched it in the System.  This was the first Window Sticker we attempted to do with this new setup.  (We are hoping to reduce the cost to the Customer by using a more efficient process.)  The characters are still the same but we obviously need to check all of the typeset characters to make sure that everything is being translated correctly.  We have 4 or 5 different Employes that work with these items and not all of them know the specific print characteristics that were used on Chrysler Window Stickers.  We will fix this issue and get you out new copies to correct the incorrect characters.

One other note to those who referenced the "address" that is listed on the Window Sticker.  Since we do not have every Dealership in our database that sold these Cars in 1970 and 1971, we sometimes rely on the Customer to provide the information for the Dealership that sold their vehicle.  When tidbits of information are missing, I have my Chrysler Constituents run the data through their network for verification and the address will sometimes change over the years.  The Dealer Code will be the same but some changes might have occurred with regards to specific location.  

We will be happy to include whatever changes need to be made when the "&" is corrected.  When there is not an original Window Sticker to format from, we do the best we can with the information that is provided to us.  We definitely won't stop until the Customer is completed satisfied with the final product!

[71_Charger_R/T]

Did I tell you these guys are great or what!?   

[ECS]

......is ECS intentionally doing anything to prevent their window stickers from being aged & passed off as "originals"?

No.  We do everything possible (with our products) to make sure that our Customers get an authentic representation of what came on their vehicle when it was new. 

[cdr]

......is ECS intentionally doing anything to prevent their window stickers from being aged & passed off as "originals"?

No.  We do everything possible (with our products) to make sure that our Customers get an authentic representation of what came on their vehicle when it was new. 

Good job Dave !!!!

[6bblgt]

I left for Carlisle so this is posted from my phone and I won't be checking regularly.

Unless I'm not seeing things clearly, Any full 71 window stickers I've seen have 45 lines of type, Dave, your reproduction shown above has 44?  I have no problem with reproduction window stickers they are definitely needed and add to the look of a restored car, The most popular comment I've heard is people not believing how "little" these cars cost when new.

The first line of the description also has different spacing on the reproduction versus the original shown in this thread. I don't know if this is consistent on originals? I have also seen 71 charger RT window stickers that have a little bit different wording and have hardtop abbreviated H.T. I do not know if this is plant differences or early versus late differences or flip of the coin, shift, operator.

[moparnation74]

In the end, no matter how perfect it is....it is a reproduction.  Overall, it is a nice addition to have as a display item for someones car.

Especially, if you know where the vehicle was sold from.....

Furthermore, they gain a lot of spectator attention as it relates to your vehicle....I cannot count how may questions I got from a spectators about my original window stickers...

[charger440six_pac]

Unless I'm not seeing things clearly, Any full 71 window stickers I've seen have 45 lines of type, Dave, your reproduction shown above has 44? 
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The first line of the description also has different spacing on the reproduction versus the original shown in this thread.
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I have images of three full stickers and they all have 45 lines in the description section so I believe you are correct.

The images of original stickers I have don't have the space between the '8' and the 'CYL.'.

There are definitely differences between stickers for the same model printed at different factories.