68 HEMI CHARGER ON EBAY

[cdr]

Galen says the vin has been changed but still a j code car.   

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-R-T-1968-426-hemi-dodge-charger-r-t-export-car-authenticated-j-code-/281577764542?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item418f57b6be&vxp=mtr

Q:     Hello: My first question is about the VIN change that Galen reported. Do you know how and/or why this was done? What makes him say that it was done? As you know, a changed/replaced/modified VIN can be a problem in many states. Secondly, although not necessary, I'd bid stronger if you were willing to take a trade. Probably the two candidates would be a stunning survivor '69 Camaro Z28 or a '65 Pontiac GTO convertible in black with white buckets, loaded including factory AC (rare on a conv.) PS, PB, sport wheels, power gauge, and much more. I can send photos and more details if you'd consider either one on trade. If not, I wont' clutter your inbox with that stuff till you decide. Cheers, Mike    Jan-31-15
A:     At some point in this cars life the original vin plate was lost. Galen noted that the vin had been replaced. The vin has been installed with the original style rivits. He verified that it is a true XS29J8B car which is what corresponds on the vin. The only part of the vin that he thought was not accurate were the last 4 digits, but he said it still was a true "J" code Hemi car and documented it in his authenticity paperwork. In 1968 the last numbers of the vin have nothing to do with the body numbers. The body numbers which are on the car, are located on the fender tag in 1968. He noted the fender tag is original and codes as a 426 hemi car, plus he took photos and noted the correct hemi torque boxes, etc on the car. Thanks for the inquiry.

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[moparnation74]

I know the owner of this car.  He lives about 15mins from me.  I have seen this car in person and it is a beautiful ride.

The motor is a crate hemi.

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[TUFCAT]

I have to    because that's such a stunning and beautiful color combo car

I love everything about it.......(well maybe not the blue spark plug wires).   Its obviously had a very expensive professional restoration with a Govier inspection but....

How do you translate this VIN thing?  It makes no sense?     Is the seller saying this is a real '68 Hemi Charger that's wearing a vin from another real '68 Hemi Charger?  

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"Up for sale is a REAL 1968 426 Hemi "J" code Charger R/T.  This car has been decoded and verified by Galen Govier.  I have his authentication paperwork on the car".

"At some point in this cars life the original vin plate was lost. Galen noted that the vin had been replaced. The vin has been installed with the original style rivits. He verified that it is a true XS29J8B car which is what corresponds on the vin".

"The only part of the vin that he thought was not accurate were the last 4 digits, but he said it still was a true "J" code Hemi car and documented it in his authenticity paperwork".

"In 1968 the last numbers of the vin have nothing to do with the body numbers. The body numbers which are on the car, are located on the fender tag in 1968. He noted the fender tag is original and codes as a 426 hemi car, plus he took photos and noted the correct hemi torque boxes, etc on the car. Thanks for the inquiry".

[TUFCAT]

I went to the ebay auction page and clicked to enlarge the fender tag photos.  I saw the RR1 Burgundy paint code and CGW white interior. 

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I went to the ebay auction page and clicked to enlarge the fender tag photos.  I saw the RR1 Burgundy paint code and CGW white interior.  

 

[MxRacer855]

Beautiful car! I love the white interior. 

[ws23rt]

I appreciate how the seller included the information he has about the vin.
My question is about the "body codes" not matching the vin.  My understanding is/was that the last numbers on the vin should match the body stamping and the fender tag. (as it is in 69). If this is not true in 68 then I just learned something new.

"In 68 the last numbers of the vin have nothing to do with the body numbers"

 Did that quote come from the seller? Did it come from Galen?

Galen said the vin. had been replaced and the last four digits were not accurate.
How can it be known-- if the last numbers of the vin have nothing to do with the body numbers?

[moparnation74]

I appreciate how the seller included the information he has about the vin.
My question is about the "body codes" not matching the vin.  My understanding is/was that the last numbers on the vin should match the body stamping and the fender tag. (as it is in 69). If this is not true in 68 then I just learned something new.

"In 68 the last numbers of the vin have nothing to do with the body numbers"

 Did that quote come from the seller? Did it come from Galen?

Galen said the vin. had been replaced and the last four digits were not accurate.
How can it be known-- if the last numbers of the vin have nothing to do with the body numbers?

68 is different than 69 as stated above.

In 68 the body numbers match the FT and the only way to link that to the VIN is via the broadcast sheet.

[ws23rt]

I appreciate how the seller included the information he has about the vin.
My question is about the "body codes" not matching the vin.  My understanding is/was that the last numbers on the vin should match the body stamping and the fender tag. (as it is in 69). If this is not true in 68 then I just learned something new.

"In 68 the last numbers of the vin have nothing to do with the body numbers"

 Did that quote come from the seller? Did it come from Galen?

Galen said the vin. had been replaced and the last four digits were not accurate.
How can it be known-- if the last numbers of the vin have nothing to do with the body numbers?

68 is different than 69 as stated above.

In 68 the body numbers match the FT and the only way to link that to the VIN is via the broadcast sheet.

I saw no mention of a broadcast sheet. If their was one then that could explain how Galen determined the vin to be inaccurate. If their was no broadcast sheet how would he know?

[moparnation74]

I appreciate how the seller included the information he has about the vin.
My question is about the "body codes" not matching the vin.  My understanding is/was that the last numbers on the vin should match the body stamping and the fender tag. (as it is in 69). If this is not true in 68 then I just learned something new.

"In 68 the last numbers of the vin have nothing to do with the body numbers"

 Did that quote come from the seller? Did it come from Galen?

Galen said the vin. had been replaced and the last four digits were not accurate.
How can it be known-- if the last numbers of the vin have nothing to do with the body numbers?

68 is different than 69 as stated above.

In 68 the body numbers match the FT and the only way to link that to the VIN is via the broadcast sheet.

I saw no mention of a broadcast sheet. If their was one then that could explain how Galen determined the vin to be inaccurate. If their was no broadcast sheet how would he know?

If there is no broadcast sheet, then there is no link.  All you have is a VIN and a FT at that point.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Time to nitpick......

Radiator cap
+ cable
- cable
No transmission cooler
funky headlight hoses
Breather hose too long
missing antifreeze decal
missing the heater hose bracket on the alternator
Wrong fan clutch (from another photo)
wrong water pump housing

[ws23rt]

If a vin tag was generated without the benefit of a broadcast sheet or other information such as title or registration the last digits need to come from somewhere.
If they are selected at random then they could very well end up matching another car.

[ws23rt]

Is the fuel line behind the radiator hose correct for 68?

[moparnation74]

If a vin tag was generated without the benefit of a broadcast sheet or other information such as title or registration the last digits need to come from somewhere.
If they are selected at random then they could very well end up matching another car.

The last time I saw this car was several years ago.  Unfortunately, I didn't dig deeper into the originality of it.  The VIN plate has a "J" on it.  Whether it is a repop or from another car I do not know.  That may be why a pic of the VIN is not listed.  As far as paperwork, I wish I asked at the time if he had a BS.  He may but I do not know.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Time to nitpick......

Radiator cap
+ cable
- cable
No transmission cooler
funky headlight hoses
Breather hose too long
missing antifreeze decal
missing the heater hose bracket on the alternator
Wrong fan clutch (from another photo)
wrong water pump housing

Looks like the wrong MC as well...A Body maybe?

At least its a Mopar battery

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Is the fuel line behind the radiator hose correct for 68?

The fuel lines look correct, but the shape of the upper hose is not.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Time to nitpick......

Radiator cap
+ cable
- cable
No transmission cooler
funky headlight hoses
Breather hose too long
missing antifreeze decal
missing the heater hose bracket on the alternator
Wrong fan clutch (from another photo)
wrong water pump housing

Looks like the wrong MC as well...A Body maybe?

At least its a Mopar battery

The master cylinder would be correct for a disc brake car, but it's most likely an aftermarket one. No public law decal on the door jamb either.

[TUFCAT]

I saw no mention of a broadcast sheet. If their was one then that could explain how Galen determined the vin to be inaccurate. If their was no broadcast sheet how would he know?

The only thing I can think off is this VIN number flagged somewhere else within his registry.  Over the last 40+ years Galen's registry includes information on dead hemi cars in junkyards, fields, you name it....

For those who don't want to submit information, or believe in the power of a registry (Galen's or otherwise) here's more proof that its a very good thing.