Reward for my VIN, fender tag, and title

[Old Moparz]

As far as I can see, there is no story here.  A guy bought a rolling shell that may or may not have been a real j code.  Someone sold a vin plate, fender tag and title on ebay that may or may not have been original to this car.  Unless he can find a car masquerading as his car, everyone got what they paid for and no laws have been broken.   I find it interesting that he is crushed when people question his veracity but automatically assumes whoever has the vin, fender tag and title is a crook.   

I had posted a similar response on page 2 in this thread in regards to typars knowingly purchasing the car without tags & title, then simply expecting that these be given to him.

If the intent is to out someone who is planning, or has put Hemi tags on another car, then that's fine, but I don't see it that way here. I see someone who has purchased a basket case, Hemi car without it's tags & title very cheap, & now expects to benefit from it without effort. Posting about lawyers & FBI investigations also indicates that there is monetary interest over all other reasons. If the original intent was "I bought it mainly because it was a bad ass looking racecar and I love 68s." then a state VIN tag & title is all you need.

[TUFCAT]

Hey familymopar....Damn, you're good!     You could be Jim Rockford! 

[crj1968]

Hey familymopar....Damn, you're good!     You could be Jim Rockford! 

[Y1CHARGER]

I've been reading all along but what's not clear to me is if the car was in either North or South Carolina when it appeared on ebay in 2004, where was the shop that typar's friend got it from, in the carolinas? or in the St. Louis,  MO area?

[Moparpoolman]

I've been reading all along but what's not clear to me is if the car was in either North or South Carolina when it appeared on ebay in 2004, where was the shop that typar's friend got it from, in the carolinas? or in the St. Louis,  MO area?

Maybe this might help, it was from an earlier post I made,

Blues cuda, this is a quote from you from another thread about the car 

"I know the current owner does not have the documentation, for he is a good friend of mine. He wanted a period-correct drag car purely to have fun with, but has too many other projects in front of it at the moment. He picked the car up from a mutual friend. That friend pulled it from behind a repair shop south of St. Louis, MO probably around 8 years ago if I had to guess. I can say with confidence that friend would not have withheld that documentation. (A very respected and well-known Mopar family in the St. Louis metro area.)

The car appears to have been campaigned out of the Hendersonville, NC area judging by the washed out lettering. How it ended up south of St. Louis, MO is a mystery at this point. "

Just to add, maybe the MYSTERY of how it got to MO is that someone bought it off ebay in 2004 that lives in MO.

[Y1CHARGER]

What state is the car in now?, I know that some states can issue a brand new VIN number if the vin numbers are mixed and matched or missing which seems to be a good idea in this case seeing that the OP wants to keep it as a drag car, then it can be registered if wanted.

[familymopar]

Just to add, maybe the MYSTERY of how it got to MO is that someone bought it off ebay in 2004 that lives in MO.

Not if the employee of the St. Louis repair shop bought it off a used lot in 1975, and his relative, a current employee of the same shop is one of the ones who helped make it a racer and had the original sheetmetal and parts.

[TUFCAT]

OP said it was campaigned as a racecar in NC, then it was resold by a used car lot in MO around 1975.....  

So if I'm following this correctly, the car already had the "racecar conversion thing" going on.... but nowhere near as radical as the "wildfire" transformation that came after being sold in 1975.

The current "Wildfire" identify came while being owned and raced by the body shop employee living in MO. This is the same guy who bought it from the used car lot in 1975.  After its retirement from racing, the body shell sat behind the same body shop building where (1975 owner) converted it into "wildfire" while working there.....and after all these years, this is the only known history until typars came into the picture with his friend.  

It would be interesting to see if anyone remembers it from the pre-1975 race days, or post 1975 racing days... Not that it matters in regard to this VIN/title issue, but still an interesting part of history.

[familymopar]

Who cares why Typars wants the title and tags?  Maybe he wants to restore it, maybe he likes that it will be worth more money, maybe he is just a collector of mopar things.  So what.  We don't know what Typars paid for it and it doesn't matter.  Is the idea that he got such a good deal on it that he should not look for the docs he now knows exist and reunite them with the car?  If so, that is silly.

I'd venture to say there aren't many of us who, having bought a carcass, for the price of a carcass, and then found out that there were these docs, wouldn't be trying to get them or wishing we had them.  And so what.  Of course he should look for them.  If he wasn't we'd be complaining about that.  I don't get this line of reasoning at all.

He can, of course, always fall back on a new state issued vin and title.  But a) we all know that is not the same value (see above), and b) there would still be an ex-employee of a repair shop in St. Louis who has this car titled to him.

Hey familymopar....Damn, you're good!     You could be Jim Rockford!  

Thanks Tufcat, but I didn't really do anything.  Between the posts of 6bblgt, Moparpoolman, and the OP himself, all I did was point out the obvious.

[TUFCAT]

Thanks Tufcat, but I didn't really do anything.  Between the posts of 6bblgt, Moparpoolman, and the OP himself, all I did was point out the obvious.

Not everyone has that ability....I've certainly been lost (more than a few times) in this thread...    

[typars]

No No No   Body shop in NC   Repair shop in Mo

[familymopar]

No No No   Body shop in NC   Repair shop in Mo

Ok, but you believe the former employee of the repair shop in MO bought the car off a used lot in or around 75, correct?

[typars]

No   Employ of the body shop in NC

[moparnation74]

You purchased this car knowing there was no documentation, correct?  Who is the mopar guru familiar with this car?

[familymopar]

Who is the mopar guru familiar with this car?

Good question.

Ok then when you and I were posting earlier I think there was some confusion.  So, you bought the car from some St.Louis family known in the local mopar world.  They pulled the car from a shop in or around St. Louis in 2008.  You need their bill of sale.  When and where did the St. Louis shop get it???

[typars]

All the history I know about the car is from North and South Carolina after that is when it gets foggy. And like I said before I'm not going to drag his name into this not knowing his story on things. That's not going to help me at all and only cause more speculation. Like we need that.    

[moparnation74]

All the history I know about the car is from North and South Carolina after that is when it gets foggy. And like I said before I'm not going to drag his name into this not knowing his story on things. That's not going to help me at all and only cause more speculation. Like we need that.    

Why don't you give this "guru" a call and find out his story?  Why would that not help you? Or have you called and he told you to piss off?
i would be calling and calling everyone and everything associated with this car.

[familymopar]

All the history I know about the car is from North and South Carolina after that is when it gets foggy. And like I said before I'm not going to drag his name into this not knowing his story on things. That's not going to help me at all and only cause more speculation. Like we need that.   

I understand what you're saying.  I think someone here may know him, he may jump on here, etc. and it may help, but I understand your position as far as the expert goes.

BUT here is the question I have.  So you bought this car from a mutual friend (with blues cuda) in MO.  That mutual friend dragged it out from behind a shop in MO.  So the mopar folks you got the car from you guys know.  So go ask them.  Seriously, I'm not getting this.  If these folks are friends and are well known local mopar people then you need to go to them and say "Hey well known local mopar friend people, remember that car you sold me in 2008, may I see / have a copy of the bill of sale from when you purchased that car?"  Surely if they are the big mopar people around they have that bill of sale.

The car had title and tags in 2003.  You got the car in 2008.  With all the talk about "rediscovering" the car in 2008 and "pulling it" out from behind the shop, I think the assumption is fair that it had been at this MO shop for a bit.  The only question is, was it there in 2003.  And we are back where we started today.  Either that shop had the car in 2003 and listed it on ebay with the docs or they didn't and they know where it came from.

Forget the confusion about the ex employee guy.

1) Go to local mopar people / friends, get bill of sale, check name on bill of sale

2) Go to MO shop with that bill of sale and find the guy who signed it 

3) Repeat

4) Run vin in NC and MO DMV, again, a 5 minute process

The key here is the Moparpoolman revelation: there was no envelope sale.  The car and docs were offered together in 2003.  You bought it in 2008 with no docs.  Armed with that info, you should be able to find those docs.  You may not get them, but you can find them.

[familymopar]

All the history I know about the car is from North and South Carolina after that is when it gets foggy. And like I said before I'm not going to drag his name into this not knowing his story on things. That's not going to help me at all and only cause more speculation. Like we need that.    

Why don't you give this "guru" a call and find out his story?  Why would that not help you? Or have you called and he told you to piss off?
i would be calling and calling everyone and everything associated with this car.

I'm pretty sure Typars implied he got the "piss off".  I'd call the expert out no problem, but that's me.  I think it could be helpful.

Correct.  Feet need to hit the pavement on this one.  Phone buttons should be getting worn out.  Like it or not, we ARE "armchair quarterbacks" and do not really have the ability to be anything else.  We don't have the info Typars has. He has to get after it.

It is not that much ground to cover.  Move backwards 2008-2003.  When you get to 2003, which may only be one person down, may be more, but when you get there, that guy had the docs in 2003.

[moparnation74]

All the history I know about the car is from North and South Carolina after that is when it gets foggy. And like I said before I'm not going to drag his name into this not knowing his story on things. That's not going to help me at all and only cause more speculation. Like we need that.    

I understand what you're saying.  I think someone here may know him, he may jump on here, etc. and it may help, but I understand your position as far as the expert goes.

BUT here is the question I have.  So you bought this car from a mutual fried (with blues cuda) in MO.  That mutual friend dragged it out from behind a shop in MO.  So the mopar folks you got the car from you guys know.  So go ask them.  Seriously, I'm not getting this.  If these folks are friends and are well known local mopar people then you need to go to them and say "Hey well known local mopar friend people, remember that car you sold me in 2008, may I see / have a copy of the bill of sale from when you purchased that car?"  Surely if they are the big mopar people around they have that bill of sale.

The car had title and tags in 2003.  You got the car in 2008.  With all the talk about "rediscovering" the car in 2008 and "pulling it" out from behind the shop, I think the assumption is fair that it had been at this MO shop for a bit.  The only question is, was it there in 2003.  And we are back where we started today.  Either that shop had the car in 2003 and listed it on ebay with the docs or they didn't and they know where it came from.

Forget the confusion about the ex employee guy.

1) Go to local mopar people / friends, get bill of sale, check name on bill of sale

2) Go to MO shop with that bill of sale and find the guy who signed it  

3) Repeat

4) Run vin in NC and MO DMV, again, a 5 minute process

The key here is the Moparpoolman revelation: there was no envelope sale.  The car and docs were offered together in 2003.  You bought it in 2008 with no docs.  Armed with that info, you should be able to find those docs.  You may not get them, but you can find them.

 What is the name of this shop in MO?  This shop is the main in-between stop for this car and the documents missing, supposedly.

[moparnation74]

97810Racetracks around Hendersonville, NC back in the 60's/70's?
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Acrrcr@aol.comAug 3, 2011
Guys- 

I have a friend that is trying to track down some information on a '68 Hemi Charger that he picked up a few years ago.  It's an old race car that is supposed to have come out of the Hendersonville, NC area. 

Originally a black '68 Charger R/T w/ a Hemi & 4spd, now just a rolling shell that has been swiss-cheesed extensively over the years and the quarters flared out.  It was called "Wildfire". 

Anybody hang out around the racetracks local to Hendersonville, NC back in the late 60's/early 70's and recognize this car?  It sat just south of St. Louis, MO for several years, so I am not sure when it made its journey from the east coast.  It was sitting literally a couple miles from my house and I did not even know it. 

Thanks for any insight.  Here are some pictures of the car as it sits today.  Not the greatest pictures, but it's the best I can do right now.

The current owner just wants to know the history of the car and if there are any stories out there about it.  I know Reed is on the Stock/SS group, so I hope he sees this posting.

Scott
St. Louis, MO


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I did a google search of:  hendersonville, nc wildfire race car.  And found the above posting dated 8/3/2011.

[1974dodgecharger]

Looks like I may have the answer he needs.......

[HANDM]

 

[familymopar]

Looks like I may have the answer he needs.......

I'm not sure I follow...?

[TUFCAT]

Looks like I may have the answer he needs.......

I hope this isn't a prank.