'69 440 alum. intake recommendations

[66FBCharger]

I am looking for recommendations for an aluminum intake to replace my stock cast iron '69 intake. I will be running a Holley 750 dual feed , vaccuum secondaries. Other than headers, the engine is stock. It is a 4 speed with 3.54s.

[myk]

I'm pretty sure it's between the Holley Street Dominator and the Edelbrock Performer RPM.  People here, Ron especially, seem partial to the Holley.  I HATE HATE HATE my Performer manifold and would love to buy the Holley, but I'm wondering about fitment in regards to the kickdown, throttle cable, etc.  I hear the Performer RPM is too tall and requires a drop-base air filter...

[ACUDANUT]

I love the torker ? (spelling)

[66FBCharger]

Is the Torker a dual plane? I think a dual plane would work best for me.
How about the Mopar Performance line of manifolds? Are they any good?

[Ghoste]

What are your goals?  The Performer RPM would be an excellent choice.  I'm not a fan of the regular Performer at all.  I like the Street Dom a lot but it is happier when there are some rpm's built up under it.

[66FBCharger]

It will be street driven. I am not planning on racing it so it will rarely see higher RPM. When the weather is good we drive it to shows, cruises and to friends' houses just because we love to drive it.
I guess I don't really have any goals. I guess I am figuring since I am going to put a Holley on it, probably blocking the heat crossover, I should consider changing the intake. Also I am guessing I will save 10 pounds or so by going to aluminum.

[myk]

Is the Torker a dual plane? I think a dual plane would work best for me.
How about the Mopar Performance line of manifolds? Are they any good?

Pretty sure the Torker is a single plane; my car had it on there when I first bought it.  As for the Mopar manifolds, I'm pretty sure they were copies of the Edelbrock Performer series; someone correct me if I'm wrong...

[Ghoste]

I believe so. (not 100% sure)

[BSB67]

I am looking for recommendations for an aluminum intake to replace my stock cast iron '69 intake. I will be running a Holley 750 dual feed , vaccuum secondaries. Other than headers, the engine is stock. It is a 4 speed with 3.54s.

I would put on a CH4B

[myk]

I am looking for recommendations for an aluminum intake to replace my stock cast iron '69 intake. I will be running a Holley 750 dual feed , vaccuum secondaries. Other than headers, the engine is stock. It is a 4 speed with 3.54s.

I would put on a CH4B

What's the deal with that manifoild anyway?  One of Edelbrock's gone but not forgotten classics, or something? 

[Ghoste]

And one of the best.

[myk]

And one of the best.

When was that manifold in production? 

[Ghoste]

Early 70s IIRC.  I think it was designed in conjunction with Chrysler engineers?  Cant recall if it was a Hustle Stuff part or Direct Connection?

[myk]

Early 70s IIRC.  I think it was designed in conjunction with Chrysler engineers?  Cant recall if it was a Hustle Stuff part or Direct Connection?

How is it that after all of this time it's still relevant?  I would've thought that even the lowly Performer would have supeceded it by now.  How does it compare to the Performer RPM?

[Scaregrabber]

Performer RPM is better but doesn't fit low hoods as well. I vote CH4B as well or a holley SD.

Sheldon

[Ghoste]

Early 70s IIRC.  I think it was designed in conjunction with Chrysler engineers?  Cant recall if it was a Hustle Stuff part or Direct Connection?

How is it that after all of this time it's still relevant?  I would've thought that even the lowly Performer would have supeceded it by now.  How does it compare to the Performer RPM?

For a long time no one did much development work on intakes for big block Mopars.  In the 60's I think (I was too young to drive then) a lot of GM and Ford guys respected us but they despised us too because it was the smallest of the Big 3.  By the early 70's, the Bigger 2 got pretty succesful at lobbying Chrysler out of being competitive in drag racing and stock cars.  Combine that with a big push for all things smallblock and no one did much with our revered 383's and 440's.  Look at how camshaft development from Chrysler just stopped about the same time.  There was no reason to design products for an engine they no longer sold and were handicapped so much in racing.  Not to mention a gas crisis that left people parking their big block cars in backyards all over the country and you can see it was easier to throw in the towel and do what could be done with the smallblocks.
Then we became cool again and here we are.

[69wannabe]

The CH4B actually had a chrylser part number on it. I ran one of these type of manifolds on my 383 and it was a very good running intake!!! I bought a mopar performance dual plane intake for my 383 and it was a good running intake too but the older intake was better I do believe. I am currently running the RPM with a drop base breather but its a manual tranny so I don't have to worry bout the valve body pressure linkage or kick down linkage as its usually called. I would avoid a single plane unless it's built for alot of higher rpm driving since they tend to hurt the bottom end torque.

[myk]

The CH4B actually had a chrylser part number on it. I ran one of these type of manifolds on my 383 and it was a very good running intake!!! I bought a mopar performance dual plane intake for my 383 and it was a good running intake too but the older intake was better I do believe. I am currently running the RPM with a drop base breather but its a manual tranny so I don't have to worry bout the valve body pressure linkage or kick down linkage as its usually called. I would avoid a single plane unless it's built for alot of higher rpm driving since they tend to hurt the bottom end torque.

Yeah I wanted the 'Holley SD but then I found out it's a single plane.  Don't they have a dual-plane intake also?  I can almost swear debating back in the day whether I'd get an Edelbrock or a Holley intake...

[Ghoste]

I don't recall a dual plane Street Dominator but there could have been.  There was a Strip Dominator which was also a single plane but without heat crossover and perhaps a little taller?

[heyoldguy]

The Torker II hasn't been under discussion. It is a low single plane like the Street Dominator. I hate to admit it but I had a Street Dominator on the shelf when we did this test and didn't try it. But anyway, here is a direct comparison to the previously recommended Performer RPM to the Torker II.

This test was performed on Pop's 440.

RPM...........Performer RPM............Torker II

3000..........434 TQ/248 HP..........407 TQ/232 HP
3200...............463/282...................416/253
3400...............492.319...................466/301
3600...............500/343...................481/330
3800...............504/365...................474/343
4000...............493/375...................456/347
4200...............490/392...................462/369
4400...............489/410...................482/404
4600...............482/423...................482/422
4800...............481/439...................484/443
5000...............488/464...................484/461
5200...............484/479...................479/474
5400...............485/499...................482/495
5600...............460/491...................461/492
5800...............454/502...................454/502

Pretty easy to see why the RPM is a highly recommended manifold.

[c00nhunterjoe]

I had the "B" version of the ch4b and i am not a fan. Felt a huge drop in power for my particular combination. Ive seen the performer rpm on alot of cars and seen it tested 1st hand. Its the best of both worlds when it comes to single plane power with dual plane driveability. It gets my vote.

[billssuperbird]

Ch4b on my 440.

[ACUDANUT]

 How about anything that does not weigh 65 lbs (stock)

[BSB67]

How about anything that does not weigh 65 lbs (stock)

Actually less than 40 lbs. 

Remove cast iron intake and AVS/AFB, add aluminum intake and large Holley, and you are at a net difference of about 20 Lbs, depending on the aluminum intake as they vary.

[Ghoste]

Do the Holleys weigh more than the Carters?  They must right?