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440 OEM stamped rocker arm ratio check

Started by femtnmax, December 05, 2013, 08:06:52 PM

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femtnmax

Checked all 16 stamped rocker arms for the correct ratio; these are 1969 OEM Mopar rockers with 1.5 ratio.  Measured valve lift at the valve spring retainer.

Intake valve lift cam spec:  .478
Measured valve lift ranged from .475 to .480, with average = .477

Exhaust valve lift cam spec:  .486
Measured valve lift ranged from .481 to .486, with average = .483

So all 16 rocker arms are within 99% of the correct ratio.  That's real close IMO.  Maybe I was lucky but good to know they are not way off like some internet sources suggest.
Phil

Kern Dog

Maybe the stars were in perfect alignment when that set was made!
This year when I switched from the stock type rocker arms to 1.6 aluminum adjustables, the cranking compression numbers all got closer together. I took it to mean that the cylinders were now getting  more even matched valve timing events.

BSB67

Quote from: Red 70 R/T 493 on December 05, 2013, 11:44:50 PM
Maybe the stars were in perfect alignment when that set was made!
This year when I switched from the stock type rocker arms to 1.6 aluminum adjustables, the cranking compression numbers all got closer together. I took it to mean that the cylinders were now getting  more even matched valve timing events.



Unless your rockers are holding the valve off the seat due too long of push rod, it should not effect cranking compression.  Slight differences in rocker ratios will not effect seat timing that would show up in a compression test.

I read more and more often on how the rockers are 1.45, and now people are saying 1.43.  I too have measured them, and I know others that actually measure them as well (verses repeating what someone else has said) and all of the results from those are similar to what OP states.  We have seen the actual ratios in the  1.47 to 1.48 range for the ones we've measured :shruggy:

500" NA, Eddy head, pump gas, exhaust manifold with 2 1/2 exhaust with tailpipes
4150 lbs with driver, 3.23 gear, stock converter
11.68 @ 120.2 mph

Challenger340

Any I ever measured seemed quite close as well  :shruggy:
IMO,
Some of the lost ratio misconceptions ?... maybe...just "might", have been coming from people checking old worn Camshafts missing lift against published specs ? or lifter bleed down ??
Only wimps wear Bowties !

BSB67

Quote from: Challenger340 on December 06, 2013, 03:19:11 PM
Any I ever measured seemed quite close as well  :shruggy:
IMO,
Some of the lost ratio misconceptions ?... maybe...just "might", have been coming from people checking old worn Camshafts missing lift against published specs ? or lifter bleed down ??

I know a magazine article is often quoted (has to be right,....right?) as 1.45.  The author (highly respected by some in the Mopar community) does not provide data nor states the source from which the statement is made.  Maybe it was that production lot of rockers, maybe worn out parts, I don't know.  I just have not seen evidence of this with no small amount of actual, well controlled measurements on used rockers. 

500" NA, Eddy head, pump gas, exhaust manifold with 2 1/2 exhaust with tailpipes
4150 lbs with driver, 3.23 gear, stock converter
11.68 @ 120.2 mph

femtnmax

My test was with a new in box Crower cam, light pressure test springs, and  used rockers/shafts with 80k miles on them.  My test ratio on the exhaust works out to 1.49. 
The rockers are in really nice shape.  The rocker pads that contact the valve stems show no wear at all.
Phil