How many people are in the market for reproduction grilles?

[JB400]

That doesn't indicate anything meaningful. There are countless potential products they could make that they don't. There needs to be more than just a demand (that the various Chinese factories may or may not be aware of); the right sequence of events needs to happen. Getting back to my Sanyo flyback example; there were people that needed these for a long time, and up until a few years ago, they were out of luck. Did the Chinese factories know that there was a demand for this particular part, or were they even aware of the existence of this particular part? Who knows; but if the guy from Cinelabs hadn't reverse engineered the part and placed the order, it is almost certain that it never would have been made.

Actually, it speaks volumes.  It means their reputation isn't very good.  Why do they have a bad reputation?  Because their quality isn't as good as it could be. Are some of them alright?  Probably, but your gonna pay for it.  It won't be cheap.

[Fred]

On a side note.............If it comes from China, I don't want it!

However I am booked up till I'm 106.79 years old. And then I plan to take it easy.

I'll see you there.  

[Fred]

See "Bobfist" he should have all you need....Including new grilles.

Are you sure you're not getting a commission here? 

[bull]

The answer is no! It can't be done! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

If some of you guys were in charge of producing restoration parts all we'd have is Betty Boop floor mats.

[JB400]

The answer is no! It can't be done! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

If some of you guys were in charge of producing restoration parts all we'd have is Betty Boop floor mats.

Made from China   

[Fred]

The answer is no! It can't be done! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

If some of you guys were in charge of producing restoration parts all we'd have is Betty Boop floor mats.

Made from China   

I could turn them out on my milling machine.  Better still..........the wife could knit them

[Old Moparz]

Carve them out of wood.    

[MaximRecoil]

That doesn't indicate anything meaningful. There are countless potential products they could make that they don't. There needs to be more than just a demand (that the various Chinese factories may or may not be aware of); the right sequence of events needs to happen. Getting back to my Sanyo flyback example; there were people that needed these for a long time, and up until a few years ago, they were out of luck. Did the Chinese factories know that there was a demand for this particular part, or were they even aware of the existence of this particular part? Who knows; but if the guy from Cinelabs hadn't reverse engineered the part and placed the order, it is almost certain that it never would have been made.

Actually, it speaks volumes.  It means their reputation isn't very good.  Why do they have a bad reputation?  Because their quality isn't as good as it could be. Are some of them alright?  Probably, but your gonna pay for it.  It won't be cheap.

So your claim is: the fact that China hasn't reproduced Charger grilles yet means that their reputation isn't very good?

Say what?

That doesn't make a lick of sense. Are you sure you meant to reply to my post?

By the way, there are plenty of Chinese factories that can do an excellent job of manufacturing parts to spec. Most crappy Chinese products are the result of them being given crappy specs by whoever ordered the run in the first place, or a result of the Chinese coming up with their own design and intentionally cutting corners, or lacking design expertise to begin with.

[Fred]

That doesn't indicate anything meaningful. There are countless potential products they could make that they don't. There needs to be more than just a demand (that the various Chinese factories may or may not be aware of); the right sequence of events needs to happen. Getting back to my Sanyo flyback example; there were people that needed these for a long time, and up until a few years ago, they were out of luck. Did the Chinese factories know that there was a demand for this particular part, or were they even aware of the existence of this particular part? Who knows; but if the guy from Cinelabs hadn't reverse engineered the part and placed the order, it is almost certain that it never would have been made.

Actually, it speaks volumes.  It means their reputation isn't very good.  Why do they have a bad reputation?  Because their quality isn't as good as it could be. Are some of them alright?  Probably, but your gonna pay for it.  It won't be cheap.

Which brings us back to square one.................you get what you pay for!

[Mike DC]

                          
I have to side with MaximumRecoil about demand and whether or not things get made.  

How long was there a pent-up demand for repro Mopar sheetmetal that wasn't complete shit before AMD stepped in and filled the void?  IMHO the demand & willingness to pay was there for many years.  But there was a serious chicken & egg problem keeping the industry out of gear.  Nobody offered good repro stuff, because it was common knowledge that the hobby wouldn't pay for good repro stuff, because nobody offered good repro stuff.  

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I will say this - if some company ever does start making repro grille parts, I hope to God they have the sense to make the parts either very cheap or PERFECT.  This hobby wants nothing to do with repro parts that are 80% right and priced at 80% of what it would have taken to make it perfect.  

If they try that, then we're screwed.  The parts won't sell, the company will declare there's just no demand rather than take responsibility for the disappointing part, and nobody will ever try the grilles again.  

 

[JB400]

That doesn't indicate anything meaningful. There are countless potential products they could make that they don't. There needs to be more than just a demand (that the various Chinese factories may or may not be aware of); the right sequence of events needs to happen. Getting back to my Sanyo flyback example; there were people that needed these for a long time, and up until a few years ago, they were out of luck. Did the Chinese factories know that there was a demand for this particular part, or were they even aware of the existence of this particular part? Who knows; but if the guy from Cinelabs hadn't reverse engineered the part and placed the order, it is almost certain that it never would have been made.

Actually, it speaks volumes.  It means their reputation isn't very good.  Why do they have a bad reputation?  Because their quality isn't as good as it could be. Are some of them alright?  Probably, but your gonna pay for it.  It won't be cheap.

So your claim is: the fact that China hasn't reproduced Charger grilles yet means that their reputation isn't very good?

Say what?

That doesn't make a lick of sense. Are you sure you meant to reply to my post?

By the way, there are plenty of Chinese factories that can do an excellent job of manufacturing parts to spec. Most crappy Chinese products are the result of them being given crappy specs by whoever ordered the run in the first place, or a result of the Chinese coming up with their own design and intentionally cutting corners, or lacking design expertise to begin with.

My claim is exactly what you wrote here.: 

   By the way, there are plenty of Chinese factories that can do an excellent job of manufacturing parts to spec. Most crappy Chinese products are the result of them being given crappy specs by whoever ordered the run in the first place, or a result of the Chinese coming up with their own design and intentionally cutting corners, or lacking design expertise to begin with.

These are your words, which coincidently is pretty much what I said.  You just give more details as to the reason why their quality is low.

Did I mean to reply to your post?  I believe so.  I did quote you.

[MaximRecoil]

Which brings us back to square one.................you get what you pay for!

And then there is the counterpart to that saying: "You don't always get what you pay for", which is invoked just as often, if not more so, than the [meaningless] "You get what you pay for" saying.

My claim is exactly what you wrote here.:  

  By the way, there are plenty of Chinese factories that can do an excellent job of manufacturing parts to spec. Most crappy Chinese products are the result of them being given crappy specs by whoever ordered the run in the first place, or a result of the Chinese coming up with their own design and intentionally cutting corners, or lacking design expertise to begin with.

These are your words, which coincidently is pretty much what I said.  You just give more details as to the reason why their quality is low.

No, my words are not pretty much what you said; what you said didn't even make sense. And their quality isn't necessarily low (plenty of reputable companies have their stuff made in China these days), and when it is low, it is usually due to the fact of "garbage in, garbage out", a fact which is universally true, regardless of what country's manufacturing industry you're talking about.

Did I mean to reply to your post?  I believe so.  I did quote you.

Your post didn't make sense as a reply to my post (nor did it make sense at all, for that matter), which is more telling than the mere fact that you quoted my post, which could easily have been due to an accidental mouse click.

[JB400]

Must be something in the water.

[Fred]

Which brings us back to square one.................you get what you pay for!

And then there is the counterpart to that saying: "You don't always get what you pay for", which is invoked just as often, if not more so, than the [meaningless] "You get what you pay for" saying.

Meaningless? I beg to differ.  I speak from experience. I've often fooled myself in to purchasing a cheap or cheaper product and found it to be completely inferior. In my book that's money down the drain. Had I been willing to part with a few more dollars, I could have purchased a far better quality item that would have gone the distance. I for one have learned my lesson. Buying cheap, ends up costing.
So no matter what you say, in my book...........you get what you pay for.

[MaximRecoil]

Meaningless? I beg to differ.  I speak from experience. I've often fooled myself in to purchasing a cheap or cheaper product and found it to be completely inferior. In my book that's money down the drain. Had I been willing to part with a few more dollars, I could have purchased a far better quality item that would have gone the distance. I for one have learned my lesson. Buying cheap, ends up costing.
So no matter what you say, in my book...........you get what you pay for.

It is a meaningless saying because God isn't sitting up in the sky making the sure that every pricetag on every item for sale on Earth is precisely commensurate with its level of quality. That's why you can find the same item at various places selling for different prices.

So, if Joe buys Brand A, Model B at Store X for $25, and Bob buys Brand A, Model B at Store Y for $15, which one of them "got what they paid for"?

Or, if I buy a Marson HP-2 rivet gun for $22, and you buy a Snap-on/Blue-Point HP-2 rivet gun (rebranded Marson HP-2, even still says Marson right on the rubber grips, and of course they reused Marson's model number) from their website for $61, which of us "got what we paid for"?

[bull]

Yeah, the old "you get what you pay for" isn't always truth. You can't automatically assume that the most expensive part, tool, car, etc., is the best because for it to be true you are forced to automatically assume that the company making the part, tool, car, etc., is completely honest.

I think the saying was invented by Snap-on.

[JB400]

Buying the most expensive thing expecting it's the best is about as dumb as buying cheap and expecting it to last.  But, being rational in your buying decisions proves it as fact, that you get what you pay for.  Otherwise, your paying for what you get.

[MaximRecoil]

Buying the most expensive thing expecting it's the best is about as dumb as buying cheap and expecting it to last.  But, being rational in your buying decisions proves it as fact, that you get what you pay for.  Otherwise, your paying for what you get.

No; the saying, if it were true, would mean that you wouldn't have to put any thought at all into your buying decision in order to get the level of quality you want, rational or otherwise; i.e., the highest price would automatically mean the best quality, period.

In reality, there are so many exceptions that it renders the saying meaningless.

[JB400]

Buying the most expensive thing expecting it's the best is about as dumb as buying cheap and expecting it to last.  But, being rational in your buying decisions proves it as fact, that you get what you pay for.  Otherwise, your paying for what you get.

No; the saying, if it were true, would mean that you wouldn't have to put any thought at all into your buying decision in order to get the level of quality you want, rational or otherwise; i.e., the highest price would automatically mean the best quality, period.

In reality, there are so many exceptions that it renders the saying meaningless.

Congrats for rewording and repeating everything that Bull posted.  I would hardly consider any old saying as meaningless in todays' day and age.  Lessons can clearly be learned from the elders.

[Fred]

Yeah, the old "you get what you pay for" isn't always truth. You can't automatically assume that the most expensive part, tool, car, etc., is the best because for it to be true you are forced to automatically assume that the company making the part, tool, car, etc., is completely honest.

I think the saying was invented by Snap-on.

I'm not saying that the most expensive is necessarily the best. I'm merely saying the cheapest more often than not, is not worth buying. Hence the idiom.

[Fred]

Has this thread gone into hijack mode or what!  

Oh and it's just a general saying (food for thought) not meant to be taken completely literally.

[JB400]

I would clearly agree.

[Fred]

I would clearly agree.

Me too.      And I didn't know  God was into manufacturing.    

[JB400]

I would clearly agree.

Me too.      And I didn't know  God was into manufacturing.     

He's put us on a really great chunk of rock.  That took some thinking.  Definitely could use a little more R & D, but nobody or nothing is perfect.

[MaximRecoil]

Congrats for rewording and repeating everything that Bull posted.

Is that a joke? I'm the one that first said the saying was meaningless in this thread (I also said it a day ago on an unrelated forum), and when I replied to you, I replied specifically to your odd and senseless claim concerning "rational buying decisions". I didn't "reword and repeat" anything from anyone. You seem to spend a lot of time out in deep left field. How's the weather out there this morning?

I would hardly consider any old saying as meaningless in todays' day and age.  Lessons can clearly be learned from the elders.

A saying that, strictly speaking, is rarely true, or is almost always accompanied by an exception, is meaningless; i.e., it has no real world value as an adage, warning, rule, rule of thumb, guide, axiom, truism, or what have you.

Me too.      And I didn't know  God was into manufacturing.    

Who said that he was? I said that he's not sitting up in the sky making sure that every price tag on every item for sale on Earth is precisely commensurate with its level of quality, and neither is anyone or anything else doing so. People selling things can arbitrarily ask any price they want, which may or may not be commensurate with the item's level of quality.