Experiences with 2006 F250 - I'm looking to buy one

[charger_fan_4ever]

My buddy bought an 04 Harley 250 with a 10 inch lift real nice looking truck back when it was 2-3 years old. Cost him 50k. He has blown 3 engines apart and is on his 4th in less than 100k miles. Hes got over 100k into this thing with all the reapirs :O :O
First engine the egr let go and hydrolocked on the highway(scary ride).Last 2 engines have been studded and egr delete. Bigger turbo and injectors,chip. Egts got hot and blew the rings and chunks of pistons right threw the turbo.
Plus the 6L is a joke to start in the winter. 5 degrees below freezing my neighbor has to plug his in or it literally either wont start or have to crank for 30 seconds or more. Been like that since new.

Around here you can buy a (not sure when they went to 6.4) 250 4x4 2007-8 for 8k or less quite often.

I tried to convince him to put a 12v cummins in there, but he is a ford guy.
He had a lifted 02 7.2 prior with aq bigger turbo,injectors ect. Never had any major meltdowns with it.

I have this 99 cummins for sale 220k miles
 



no rust and its an eastern truck

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Why is our EPA only worried and screwing us in the USA.  What about the rest of the world fu--king the environment. aka China. Mexico ect, ect

[charger_fan_4ever]

Europe is hardcore on environment. All the big rigs all have to go threw E-tests yearly. Every car is full under the hood with EGR and emmisions crap.

A few years ago my sister in law had the same 1995 diesel VW golf I had here in canada at the time. I was surprised when i popped the hood of her car and found all kinds of emiisions crap on it where the same north american model had nothing.

Thanks to the dry  ULSD fuel i run 2 stroke pre mix oil in my fuel tank on my 24valve cummins trucks.

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Why is our EPA only worried and screwing us in the USA.  What about the rest of the world fu--king the environment. aka China. Russia, Mexico ect, ect

I feel your pain in EUROPE.

[charger_fan_4ever]

Why is our EPA only worried and screwing us in the USA.  What about the rest of the world fu--king the environment. aka China. Russia, Mexico ect, ect

I feel your pain in EUROPE.

I'm in CANADA

As communist as quebec is I'm surprised we don't have it yet. Been rumors for years now that its comming as other provinces have had to for years.

[Indygenerallee]

Beautiful Cummins Charger_fan_4ever, I hope it's not a 53 block!! I had a 99 I loved and it had a 53 block and cracked out... pissed me off good. I tried stitch locking it and it held up for about 10,000 more miles then started leaking again! I had a buddy that cut a 53 block that had cracked and it was less that 5 millimeters thick in that area, shitty casting that Cummins let slide..... If you find a 53 block in anything other than a Dodge truck Cummins will warranty it but if it's in a Dodge your screwed...

[hatersaurusrex]

6.0's are way BELOW book value usually because they are 6.0's!!! Head gasket and EGR cooler problems, It's a good engine when those problems are fixed (more powerful than a 7.3) but if those head gaskets are not replaced and studded head bolts installed along with fixing the EGR cooler it's a ticking EXPENSIVE time bomb, seen way too many 04-up 6.0's at the auctions that go for 5-6,000 below loan value regularly, I don't buy them for the lot because the minute you say 6.0 people start walking the other way!! Also to fix the head gaskets on those trucks the cab has to come off, it's at the cheapest a $3500.00 repair and at Ford usually $6500.00. I would look for something else unless you can verify the truck has had those repairs. 

Are you serious?   You have to pull the cab to replace a friggin head gasket? 

[Indygenerallee]

Serious as a heartattack....

[charger_fan_4ever]

Beautiful Cummins Charger_fan_4ever, I hope it's not a 53 block!! I had a 99 I loved and it had a 53 block and cracked out... pissed me off good. I tried stitch locking it and it held up for about 10,000 more miles then started leaking again! I had a buddy that cut a 53 block that had cracked and it was less that 5 millimeters thick in that area, shitty casting that Cummins let slide..... If you find a 53 block in anything other than a Dodge truck Cummins will warranty it but if it's in a Dodge your screwed...

I have a 2001 also. I looked at both for the 53 stamp, but didn't see it. Checked the passengers side for signs of a crack and didn't see. Read up on the cumminsforum about the 53 blocks and apparently its not all 53's just a certain series of 53's that are thin near the frost plug area. I thought 53's were the end of the day, but there are more 53's out there with lots of miles and mods than cracked ones.

There is a member over on moparman1973's board with over 900,000 miles on his 2001 53 block and others with over 500hp and no issues.

They do say with the 53's to go easy on them until they are warmed up.

[Indygenerallee]

Yeah I have heard a few cases of them not cracking but every single "53" block truck I have looked at was cracked, I would have to say if you have a 53 block truck and it's not cracked then your extremely lucky, generally the trucks that are not cracked are plain stock trucks with no programmers and have not had anymore added boost to want to "lift" the head and pull on the block, I have a friend that sells diesel engines and he had one in a 2000 and the block in that area was so thin it had not cracked yet but was porous enough coolant was seeping through the block,  Generally you see the 53 block in 99/00 trucks I have only ever heard of a handful in the 2001 trucks, The 53 blocks were made in Venezula I believe and all the other blocks were made in Mexico.

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6.0's are way BELOW book value usually because they are 6.0's!!! Head gasket and EGR cooler problems, It's a good engine when those problems are fixed (more powerful than a 7.3) but if those head gaskets are not replaced and studded head bolts installed along with fixing the EGR cooler it's a ticking EXPENSIVE time bomb, seen way too many 04-up 6.0's at the auctions that go for 5-6,000 below loan value regularly, I don't buy them for the lot because the minute you say 6.0 people start walking the other way!! Also to fix the head gaskets on those trucks the cab has to come off, it's at the cheapest a $3500.00 repair and at Ford usually $6500.00. I would look for something else unless you can verify the truck has had those repairs. 

Are you serious?   You have to pull the cab to replace a friggin head gasket? 

^^
That is pure BS

[hawkeye]

6.0's are way BELOW book value usually because they are 6.0's!!! Head gasket and EGR cooler problems, It's a good engine when those problems are fixed (more powerful than a 7.3) but if those head gaskets are not replaced and studded head bolts installed along with fixing the EGR cooler it's a ticking EXPENSIVE time bomb, seen way too many 04-up 6.0's at the auctions that go for 5-6,000 below loan value regularly, I don't buy them for the lot because the minute you say 6.0 people start walking the other way!! Also to fix the head gaskets on those trucks the cab has to come off, it's at the cheapest a $3500.00 repair and at Ford usually $6500.00. I would look for something else unless you can verify the truck has had those repairs. 

   i have a 04 e350 with 125k and have no major problems just alot of little ones.  a couple big things when running a 6.0 are, most oil can't take the injector pressure.  i only run amsoil.  the diesel fuel is so poor now that you need to run some kind of treatment, i run power service,  all the time.  1, to boost the cetane and, 2, to keep the egr system clean.  i also have 2 7.3's and a gm 6.5, the optimizer made by ih, not the old one made by gm and i have managed to get along with all of them.  having said all that, unless i was hauling large loads, long distances, i would opt for a gasoline powered truck.

[Indygenerallee]

Quote from: hatersaurusrex on April 11, 2013, 08:38:05 PM


Quote from: Indygenerallee on April 07, 2013, 07:41:49 AM

6.0's are way BELOW book value usually because they are 6.0's!!! Head gasket and EGR cooler problems, It's a good engine when those problems are fixed (more powerful than a 7.3) but if those head gaskets are not replaced and studded head bolts installed along with fixing the EGR cooler it's a ticking EXPENSIVE time bomb, seen way too many 04-up 6.0's at the auctions that go for 5-6,000 below loan value regularly, I don't buy them for the lot because the minute you say 6.0 people start walking the other way!! Also to fix the head gaskets on those trucks the cab has to come off, it's at the cheapest a $3500.00 repair and at Ford usually $6500.00. I would look for something else unless you can verify the truck has had those repairs. 


Are you serious?   You have to pull the cab to replace a friggin head gasket? 

^^
That is pure BS

Please explain why it is complete BS??

[charger_fan_4ever]

I have also heard of 6L's needing the cab lifted for repairs. I thought it was to change the fuel pump though. Mind you i wouldn't be surprised if it was so tight you can't get the heads off with the cab in place. I'd be willing to bet with headstuds noway the heads of the v8 diesel would be able to come off witht he cab in place. My old 95 7.3 powerstroke was no fun just taking the valve covers off to change the burnt up injector harness that run in oil under the Valve covers ? (WTF  how that got past the drawing board is beyone me.) Its like the truck was make around the valve covers, Had to take part of the ac off to get at the back bolt passengers side. You could not even see them laying on top of the motor. After that fiasco i said no more powerjokes for me and got the forsale sign. Atleast a cummins you can work on it under the hood if you have to. Its like a 350 under the hood of an old gmc truck everything is accessible.

I've had 4 dodge diesels and never lost a dime when reselling. Usually drove them a couple years and sold them for more than i paid lol.

Parts for the powerstrokes and duramax are so $$$ makes you want to stay away. Even the old 7.3 injectors are still what $200 a piece for remans ? All 6 aftermarket injectors for a 12/24v cummins are $350 or less for all six.

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 My Diesel Mechanic works on 6.0's and has never had to lift a cab to do a headgasket.

[Indygenerallee]

Bullshit. maybe he is a glutton for punishment or maybe your "mehanic" has never done one... I have 2 friends that work for Ford and you HAVE to lift the cab to get the heads to come off!! I have seen it first hand! and I am a ASE certified tech myself, there is no way your getting a damn 6.0 head off without lifting the cab.

[73rallye440magnum]

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http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/f23/head-gasket-replacement-6-0-psd-204971/

What's the best way to kill a chicken?

At any rate, my '98 12 valve had a 53 block. No issues. I plan on buying another 12 valve when I'm done commuting. I loved that truck.

[Indygenerallee]

Looks like a back killer doing it that way! It may sound difficult but I would rather pull the cab instead of pull all that stuff out of the way and then kill your upper
body trying to wrangle a head back in that tiny hole. Heck I pull truck beds to replace fuel pumps, work smarter not harder...

[charger_fan_4ever]

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http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/f23/head-gasket-replacement-6-0-psd-204971/

What's the best way to kill a chicken?

At any rate, my '98 12 valve had a 53 block. No issues. I plan on buying another 12 valve when I'm done commuting. I loved that truck.

LOL this sums it up quite well. This is a quote from the original poster that had the headgasket problem on the above thread on the dieselstop forum.

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Hey Guys, I'm still around and going through different threads helping people. I've sold my Ford and being that my cousin is an Engineer for cummins, I just went out and got an 06 Ram with the 5.9 but still have a lot of valuable information on the 6.0 and my overhaul, as well as all the head bolts in the bed box of my truck as a friendly reminder to NEVER chip one of those things. You all are 100% correct in saying that I left the thread because of particular know-it-alls who like to prove how huge their dicks are by telling all of us who are brand new to the blown head gasket situation, looking for information, to our amazement, finding that this is a common thing. If you all need any information, I can try and dig up my old file on the truck when I fixed it and will assist and answer any questions as best I can. Bill "