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We won't be having Wonder Bread toast for breakfast....

Started by Ponch ®, November 16, 2012, 12:44:09 PM

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Dans 68

Like it has been said twice, the major brands will be sold off to another company. It may take a year or two to get those products back on the shelves, so stock up now...I already did (for my daughters lunches....   :angel: )

I have fond memories of walking home from Jr. HIgh School, stopping by the local 7-11, and buying a package of cupcakes and a an orange Nehi. The good 'ole days.  ;)

Dan
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nh_mopar_fan

So a bunch of states legalize medicinal pot a couple weeks ago and now they're no longer making Twinkies?

I smell a conspiracy, duuuuuuuuuude.  :lol:

Mopar Nut

"Dear God, my prayer for 2024 is a fat bank account and a thin body. Please don't mix these up like you did the last ten years."

twodko

     "So a bunch of states legalize medicinal pot a couple weeks ago and now they're no longer making Twinkies?

     I smell a conspiracy, duuuuuuuuuude."


Outstanding! If we notice a startup company that will be making chocolate cupcakes, cream filled cake tubes and a mound of cake covered with marshmallow that will be the cue to watch for an IPO. :lol:




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hatersaurusrex

All they had to do was kill the Twinkie and come out with 'New Twinkies'.   Remember what that did for Coca-Cola?   Coke was dead, and all it took was them pulling the plug for a year or so for everyone to come running back.    The fact that New Coke tasted like flat, warm Pepsi didn't hurt either.
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derailed

Weren't Twinkies suppose to be the only food the would survive a nuclear holocaust? I sure hope those Mayans aren't right.

dodgecharger-fan

For anyone in the U.S. that absolutely NEEDS their WonderBread, I'm taking orders.

The name is owned by and the product is made and sold, in Canada, by Weston Bakeries.

Midnight runs in a Big Black Dodge start next week.  :icon_smile_big:

Tilar

Quote from: bull on November 16, 2012, 10:24:15 PM
The unions began failing as soon as they started protecting the lazy scammers among their own ranks and picking political sides. If the unions started holding their own members accountable rather than coddling the dirt bags they would probably thrive.

Dave  

God must love stupid people; He made so many.



Tilar

Quote from: dodgecharger-fan on November 18, 2012, 10:19:26 AM
For anyone in the U.S. that absolutely NEEDS their WonderBread, I'm taking orders.

The name is owned by and the product is made and sold, in Canada, by Weston Bakeries.

Midnight runs in a Big Black Dodge start next week.  :icon_smile_big:

I can see it now, The Dukes of Weston Bakeries!
Dave  

God must love stupid people; He made so many.




2Gunz

Quote from: NHCharger on November 16, 2012, 08:26:14 PM
My job foreman has a friend that worked at the plant in Maine. Starting pay for a newbie was $20.00/hr. plus full bennys. Not bad for a rural area where most starter jobs for the same job skill is $10.00/hr.
The union pres has already blamed Romney and Bain-like capitalist pigs for the plant closing. He said nothing about the current President's wife campaign against junk foods like the products that Hostess sells.


Thats exactly the problem.....

You cant pay somebody the equivalent of $25-$30 a hour (health care, vacation blah blah figured in) to sweep the floor.
Its great for the employees, but reality is, it just doesn't make business sense.

Im not anti-union, and in general I think unions should be a good thing.....  However....

I deal with the Locals a lot, and sometimes Im just shocked.

What should be "Im happy to have good job and make a good wage."

Is often.....  "Your lucky Im here half-assing this job".

There seems to be a lot of self entitlement that comes with the unions.



Mopar Nut

This explains it.
"Dear God, my prayer for 2024 is a fat bank account and a thin body. Please don't mix these up like you did the last ten years."

Ponch ®

Quote from: Tilar on November 18, 2012, 10:53:10 AM
Quote from: dodgecharger-fan on November 18, 2012, 10:19:26 AM
For anyone in the U.S. that absolutely NEEDS their WonderBread, I'm taking orders.

The name is owned by and the product is made and sold, in Canada, by Weston Bakeries.

Midnight runs in a Big Black Dodge start next week.  :icon_smile_big:

I can see it now, The Dukes of Weston Bakeries!

Frozen Empire.
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BrianShaughnessy

The wonder bread and the twinkies I can do without...  but dammit I love the hostess chocolate cupcakes  :icon_smile_cool:   All the other brands of chocolate cupcakes suck.


Anyhoo...  this just in...   the bakers union and hostess agreed to go to mediation which is scheduled for 11/20.   http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/19/news/companies/hostess-bankruptcy-bonuses/index.html?hpt=hp_t3    

 
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Ponch ®

Quote from: BrianShaughnessy on November 19, 2012, 04:35:51 PM
The wonder bread and the twinkies I can do without...  but dammit I love the hostess chocolate cupcakes  :icon_smile_cool:   All the other brands of chocolate cucakes suck.



:yesnod:

I know it's not much consolation, but if you live near a Mexi-market, you should give these a try. Not quite as good, but close.

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moparstuart

Quote from: Ponch ® on November 19, 2012, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: BrianShaughnessy on November 19, 2012, 04:35:51 PM
The wonder bread and the twinkies I can do without...  but dammit I love the hostess chocolate cupcakes  :icon_smile_cool:   All the other brands of chocolate cucakes suck.



:yesnod:

I know it's not much consolation, but if you live near a Mexi-market, you should give these a try. Not quite as good, but close.


put alittle captain in ya   
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nvrbdn

so, has it all been a hoax to drum up sales and new interest in their cakes? :scratchchin:
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Mopar Nut

Quote from: nvrbdn on November 19, 2012, 06:47:26 PM
so, has it all been a hoax to drum up sales and new interest in their cakes? :scratchchin:
Sounds like it, just like New Coke did, boost sales for Coke U.S.A.

Was there any takers? Oneway to clear out old stock.
"Dear God, my prayer for 2024 is a fat bank account and a thin body. Please don't mix these up like you did the last ten years."

Brock Samson

In the runup to the strike and bankruptcy:
"Hostess's then-CEO, Brian Driscoll, saw his salary rise to $2.55 million from $750,000--a 300% increase.

"Other executives' salaries were increased by from 35% to 80%," the creditors said".

http://www.teamster.org/content/dow-jones-uncovers-alleged-looting-hostess-amid-talk-%E2%80%98shared-sacrifice%E2%80%99-execs

I know three unrelated folks who have worked for Hostess at two different plants and Management was always trying to cheat them and deny them their benefits.
read it again then.

Brock Samson

Or, If your too lazy to click the freakin link..
DJ Creditors Say Hostess May Have 'Manipulated' Executive Pay

By Rachel Feintzeig
Of DOW JONES DAILY BANKRUPTCY REVIEW


Unsecured creditors suspect that Hostess Brands Inc. may have "manipulated" its executives' pay--sending its former chief executive's salary, in particular, skyrocketing- in the months leading up to its Chapter 11 filing, in an effort to dodge the Bankruptcy Code's compensation requirements, according to a redacted court filing reviewed by Dow Jones.

The official committee representing Hostess's unsecured creditors wants to launch a formal investigation in the bankruptcy case, hoping to dig deeper into the bakery company's senior executive compensation. The information the group has already gathered suggests "the possibility" that the company converted a chunk of its top executives' pay from performance-based bonuses to guaranteed salary, "at least in part to sidestep" rules designed to ensure that companies in bankruptcy aren't enticing their employees to stay on board with the promise of cash.

"As such, the debtors' continued payment of the executives' salaries in these increased amounts may violate the Bankruptcy Code," the unsecured creditors said in documents that were filed with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in White Plains, N.Y., but largely redacted. Dow Jones was able to view those details because when the papers were saved to a word-processing program, the redactions disappeared.

A spokesman for Hostess dismissed the creditors' allegations.

"We do not believe their theory has any basis in law," he said. "Nevertheless, we are working cooperatively with the committee to address their concerns and expect to resolve this amicably."

In court papers, the creditors say testimony from Hostess's executive vice president of human resources indicates that "in the run-up to bankruptcy"--when Hostess had already hired bankruptcy attorneys--it was also working to shift its compensation structure. Hostess slashed bonuses payable only if certain performance goals were met and, on July 26, the company's compensation committee signed off on "substantial salary increases for numerous senior executives," the creditors said, calling the jumps "dramatic."

Hostess's then-CEO, Brian Driscoll, saw his salary rise to $2.55 million from $750,000--a 300% increase.

"Other executives' salaries were increased by from 35% to 80%," the creditors said.

While Driscoll--who abruptly abandoned his post at Hostess's helm last month, leaving a restructuring expert to take his place--ultimately refused a portion of the salary bump, others seem to have kept the funds, the creditors said. They noted that the company continues to pay the prebankruptcy salary increases, no piece of which was "made contingent upon any aspect of the debtors' business performance or operations."

Hostess's own compensation consultant noted "that the increased salaries were not incentive compensation at all," the creditors said, and urged the company to tie the payments to company performance and wrap them into an incentive plan once Hostess filed for bankruptcy. But Hostess "disregarded" the suggestion, the creditors said, and also failed to disclose that it had tweaked the executives' pay in the six months leading up to the bankruptcy. The creditors only learned of the changes during a February deposition of the human resources executive.

"The committee viewed this testimony with grave concern," the creditor group said. It sought more information, but Hostess "refused to cooperate."

The creditors are now turning to the bankruptcy court for help, seeking a judge's clearance to launch a formal probe. They want access to documents regarding the compensation changes, minutes of meetings of the board of directors and the compensation committee and documents from the outside compensation consultant brought on by Hostess, among other information.

Hostess's Chapter 11 case has been stalled for the last several weeks as the company and its unions continue to negotiate behind closed doors and both sides prepare for an April 17 trial over the company's request to shed its collective bargaining agreements in bankruptcy.

On Tuesday, the company filed a request for more time to propose a bankruptcy-exit plan, saying it couldn't move forward with a Chapter 11 proposal until it makes headway with regards to its labor issues and attempt to nab new capital. The company noted that it has launched a "parallel process" to pursue a sale of its assets "as a failsafe," should Hostess not obtain the changes it wants to its union deals.

The maker of Twinkies and Wonder Bread, which filed for bankruptcy in January, had long said it was actively searching for potential new investors and buyers but had resisted calls from creditors to launch a full-blown sale process before it dealt with its union issues.

(Dow Jones Daily Bankruptcy Review covers news about distressed companies and those under bankruptcy protection.)

-By Rachel Feintzeig, Dow Jones Daily Bankruptcy Review; 212-416-3755; rachel.feintzeig@dowjones.com