aar cuda vin for a rebody

[JB400]

when does restoration stop and rebody begin?  if you take the donor car completely apart first and then put the pieces on the car being restored is that then a restoration?  if i remember right the xp hemi only had the top half of the dash,  some of the fire wall and some of the roof.  not a rebody?  i think the problem is when people are not upfront on what they did to the car, no matter how much they replaced.

Agreed.  It adds to that Buyer BEWARE saying.   Personally, I just like seeing one more classic car on the road.  Others unfortunately, want the bucks.

[Ghoste]

When the only saveable parts are the numbered ones, its a rebody.  If you buy a parts car but all you do is transfer the parts from the original car to the parts car (not the other way around) it's a rebody.  If the only parts you transfer to the parts car are the parts with the all important id numbers on it, its a rebody.  If you do like the XP Hemi and just place all new reproduction sheetmetal around the id numbers, its a recreation.

[JB400]

When the only saveable parts are the numbered ones, its a rebody.  If you buy a parts car but all you do is transfer the parts from the original car to the parts car (not the other way around) it's a rebody.  If the only parts you transfer to the parts car are the parts with the all important id numbers on it, its a rebody.  If you do like the XP Hemi and just place all new reproduction sheetmetal around the id numbers, its a recreation.

I'm tired of  arguing with you on this topic.  We discussed it all 3 threads ago.  But for the record, XP is a restoration.

[Ghoste]

You can be tired all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the only original parts on the thing are the identification numbers which makes it a recreation.

[JB400]

You can be tired all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the only original parts on the thing are the identification numbers which makes it a recreation.

Maybe, you need another cup of coffee, but there was more to the XP than just digits on a piece of metal.  Of course, they had a fairly complete car before they started.  They just stripped it down to nothing more than a firewall, a roof support, and inner rockers. But, they rebuilt it.

[Ghoste]

You are correct about one thing, we did argue about it before, but I also believe I idnicated in that thread that there was absolutely no way ever that you will alter my opinion about that car being a restoration.  You want to argue about something useful let's argue about whether or not its even a legitimate XP Hemi car.  I also say no to that just so my stance on the thing is clear.

[JB400]

You are correct about one thing, we did argue about it before, but I also believe I idnicated in that thread that there was absolutely no way ever that you will alter my opinion about that car being a restoration.  You want to argue about something useful let's argue about whether or not its even a legitimate XP Hemi car.  I also say no to that just so my stance on the thing is clear.

So, you don't think an XP hemi is possible?  What's your reasoning?

[Ghoste]

I didn't say it wasn't possible, I said I don't think that car is one.  There was no broadcast sheet or fender tag to back the claim and nothing else on the car to definitively confirm it as being such.  It is generally agreed that one got made for early publicity photos and it is agreed that this one is definitely not that car and given the extreme unlikelihood that they would make a second one I guess I just need a little more evidence.  The engine designator on the dash tag is painted and we do know of other examples where typos occurred there.  Could it be?  Yes.  Do I think it is?  Not without more proof. 

[JB400]

Theoretically, wouldn't make more sense to have an 68 XP hemi than a 69?  I think it would be more plausible due to switching of body style.  The only way I see a 69 plausible is the fact they changed the fender tag style for the 69 model year.

[Ghoste]

Therein lies a portion of the evidence, the one photographed has a number of 68 parts on it.  Many people feel it was a 68 car with some 69 trim thrown on it for publicity purposes.  There was talk of offering the Hemi without the RT for 69 and there is an internal Chrysler document that proves such however that plan changed by production.  Hemi could have been added to the photo car in anticipation of this although the engine was never promoted on that car. 
There also is a chance the XP Hemi car used in the photos was an RT that had not been fully or properly dressed out yet although the bulk of people do not think so.  There are so many incongruities on the one that was used for photos that it makes it hard for me to believe in a second one coming later and having all of those little things fixed.

[JB400]

Just a thought,  being this car was just for show anyway, you don't reckin they didn't like the color of the car they was going to use? If they brought a hemi car over that was an undisireable color, say green for example, but liked the color of this car,  just build this one in an afternoon with the original hemi car and this one.  Makes more sense than waiting 3 months for a different car.

[Ghoste]

Who knows?  Brochures were done well in advance of production of course so many things happen.