i don't get viper owners

[71green go]

My local ford salesman says he has seen more accidents with New GT and GT500 mustang owners leaving his lot after they just bought them....they go to pull out in traffic doing left turns, foot to the floor and spin the car around either into other cars or up on sidewalks............his bodyshop is kept busy as these "wanna Bee" race drivers get used to power they never had

[Bobs69]

I get the want a performance car = risk... for most "real" car guys it is part of it.  I do not have a viper but flirted with the idea of a used one in recent yrs.  The video looks deceiving maybe.... and if it matters, like another one said, not sure he made much effort towards that corner and/or choice of locking it down just to side off the corner.  A person can make those choices in just about any performance car, new or old. 

The whole "take it to the track" line is bogus. Performance cars (new or old) are purchased because they are performance cars. 95% of the performance cars sold never see a race track. So the reality is most performance cars see thier performance driving on the street.   

So in light of this real world view, the real measure of the driver is: Do they approach performance driving with a level of responsibilty? Ie: no smokey burnoffs in the middle of a crowd, hard corning is for lightly traveled roads with good sight distance, keep speeds reasonable if there is traffic around you, etc. .... Otherwise, drive hard and enjoy yourself.

Mistakes will be made still. And that's ok - it comes with the territory.


Hey just watched your Video Rallye Mike.  Sounds great.  I like the way the car is gone from the camera around 18second mark but you can still hear the exhaust until it ends at the 28 second mark.  Nice.  BUT!!!!!!  That was not track!  A very nice setting tho.

[RECHRGD]

Hey just watched your Video Rallye Mike.  Sounds great.  I like the way the car is gone from the camera around 18second mark but you can still hear the exhaust until it ends at the 28 second mark.  Nice.  BUT!!!!!!  That was not track!  A very nice setting tho.




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Bob69......Actually that is a track, for that weekend anyway.  Mike enters his car in the Silver State Somegthingorother in Nevada every year.  That is where the video was taken.

[vick79]

I own a Viper GTS, just thought id share a comment. Ive driven every car ive owned in a "spirited" fashion, but when you do it in a flashy loud car, people think your pompous and trying to show off... when your really just trying to enjoy your drive home from work!! Dont judge the car, judge the person.

Someone told me most vipers are crashed on the way from a dealership, dont know if its true. You have to understand the viper is trying to kill you at every corner, its a tough car to handle even if you have skills. I only go fast in straight line!   

[Indygenerallee]

Too much money and too little sense!!! I was a tech at a Dodge dealership (1999) and there was a 1994 R/T10 that was towed in on a flatbed and this thing was a mess it was owned by a doctor in Terre Haute and it had 50 MILES ON IT!!! this thing had sat in a barn UNCOVERED with no top on it!!! There was cobwebs and a inch of dust on the entire car and someone had sprayed the decklid with orange paint looked like they took a rattlecan and just swiped it across the hatch!?!?   The rotors were so rusted they had to be turned, I was given the chance to drive it but I could not even fit into the damn thing!! (6' legs hit the dash before my ass hit the seat!!
the detail guy buffed off the orange paint and had it all slicked up, the original leather Viper jacket was in the trunk all balled up!
And the V-10 sounds like utter shit has no real nice sound to it!! I had a chance to buy a 97 GTS back in 2000 for $25,000 (had a messed up front clip and was gonna cost another $10,000 so I passed it had a salvage title) I do fit in a GTS though!! Vipers, Corvettes and about any exotic is wreck material because the guys that buy them have no business driving them where most think they are speed racer in the Mach 5!!!!  

[Lennard]

then you shouldn't be offended when people call it like they see it.

Oke, have it your way...

You think you are better than the rest because you work on your own cars. This is what I have been reading (between the lines) in several of your postings over the years I've been on this board.

[Bobs69]

Hey just watched your Video Rallye Mike.  Sounds great.  I like the way the car is gone from the camera around 18second mark but you can still hear the exhaust until it ends at the 28 second mark.  Nice.  BUT!!!!!!  That was not track!  A very nice setting tho.

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Bob69......Actually that is a track, for that weekend anyway.  Mike enters his car in the Silver State Somegthingorother in Nevada every year.  That is where the video was taken.
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Well that track looks like it is in a nice rural setting.  Nice car, sounds great.

[Lennard]

I would like to get 1 of those bumper stickers.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HIGH-PERFORMANCE-CAR-STICKER-/370262789211?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item563561cc5b&vxp=mtr

[John_Kunkel]

"Most tend to think their sh*t don't Stink. "


This is why I put that little word MOST in my post that you took and ran with John. Your right, I NEVER woulda figured you for a Viper OR Hemi Cuda owner.

MOST means damn near all...still profiling. Never said I owned a Hemi Cuda, a Viper and Porsche, yes.

And I DO include most Hemi owners in that club as well..They roll up and because they(Most) are in debt up to their eyeballs, they seem to have a "ok, I'm here in my "Store bought Hemi Cuda" so the rest can go home now" mentality.. Whether you like it or not, they DO act like this.

My observations seem to differ from yours...nuff said. Some might think that "MOST" Charger owners are knuckle-dragging Neanderthals....whatdaya say to them?

[Indygenerallee]

Why can't we all just get along!!! 

[Cooter]

MOST means damn near all...still profiling. Never said I owned a Hemi Cuda, a Viper and Porsche, yes.






My observations seem to differ from yours...nuff said. Some might think that "MOST" Charger owners are knuckle-dragging Neanderthals....whatdaya say to them?

Get it all the time in the General Lee John..No need to take offense to their opinions, as Whaddya expect?. If you being a Viper owner somehow makes you feel like someone's opinion on most owners of said car gets under your skin, then maybe you really are as shallow and egotistical as MOST Viper owners tend to be. "Just saying".

[Cooter]

then you shouldn't be offended when people call it like they see it.

Oke, have it your way...

You think you are better than the rest because you work on your own cars. This is what I have been reading (between the lines) in several of your postings over the years I've been on this board.

Um, I believe you mean "OK"? Anyhow, I respect your opinion. However, I may or may not agree with it. In this case, I don't. I'm no better than any other because they don't do their own work, I just refuse to give the same level of respect to someone who opened a check book and bought the same "Attention" that takes someone who does his/her own work about 5-7 years, sometimes longer to achieve. My opinion is if everybody here wasn't so focused on hating someone for their opinion be it VERY different from the croud(READ: Not being "Sheeple"), I think you might have read something VERY different in my postings. Of course, as with many of my opinions here, this may be misconstrued as well, but I've learned to expect that now. No need to take offense to it. I'm not here for the haters, I'm here for everybody that PM's me silently to ask me questions about their build and pitfalls that they may/may not encounter as I've been there and done that, got the T-shirt, wore it out, now I polish cars with it.

Of course I don't expect them to acknowlege me publicly, because they got what they needed. I take no offense to this. What I DO take offense to is someone "Grandstanding" at MY Expense. Then, expect it as you gave it.

[XS29LA47V21]

Why can't we all just get along!!! 

Accordingly or not, there seems to be some sigma or snobbliness with most collector cars owners somewhere past the 50k or separate topic of type of car (ei-who would own a VW thing), just the way it is, some people are jealous or have other agendas and some fall into a desired status symbol.  I am sure a shrink could write a 10 volume book set on the varied and goofy "car crowd".  But at the end of the topic, if a person is hard core, he/she will have a stack and as nice as they either can afford, mortgage to or justify to their wife/kids college........

Let me say it another way, some number of us would be just line Leno in whatever he does in his personal life to have fun and have a huge stack of cars and several vipers would likely be in my stack.  I enjoy seeing the stuff out and want just one more