FWIW - EPA to possibly mandate higher % ehtanol in gas

[resq302]

Just read this on the Antique Automobile Club of America forum.  Figured I'd pass it on.

http://forums.aaca.org/f169/time-let-epa-know-what-you-269354.html

[PocketThunder]

Do i need to skip the rebuild of my 69's 440 then and transplant a newer Hemi in its place?   

[451-74Charger]

Well, I was looking at an older magazine the other day, contemplating modifying a TQ to run e-85 Ethanol in a 400 BB.

It doesnt seem to be that much of an issue as long as you rejet for more fuel due to the Ethanol, and set you timing accordingly.

You will just have to put up with driving a 3000lb paperweight....!!

[GPULLER]

Here in Minnesota its 10% already, not sure about anywhere else.  Personally have not had problems running 10% in my Charger, tractors or any other vehicles.
Know plenty of farmers in my area that blend their own and are running as high as 30% in non flex fuel vehicles with no problems.

[SomeCarGuy]

Wonder how long increased corn gas will last before turning bad?

[aussiemuscle]

In australia, the oil companies have been 'sneaking' in 5-10% ethanol to 'water down' the cost of fuel (while still raising the price).  they probably do it in the USA too.

[Go Hogs Go]

Around here we a couple of stations that advertise 10% ethanol but actually have 16-17% content in their fuel. I work at a new car dealership and we had a rash of non flex fuel vehicles coming in with check engine lights on with a code for the engine running lean. We tested the fuel in the tanks and tested the fuel at local stations and discovered this to be the problem. I use to fuel up my Charger at one of these stations, and I wondered why my 440 would start pinging like a SOB. I'd have to stop and retard the timing so it would run half way decent. After finding this out I started filling up the Charger at a local station that does not have ethanol in their fuel. The engine runs like normal on it. I was able to advance my timing back to where it should be and get my power back. Bottom line, my engine does not like ethanol very much.

[Khyron]

Well, I was looking at an older magazine the other day, contemplating modifying a TQ to run e-85 Ethanol in a 400 BB.

It doesnt seem to be that much of an issue as long as you rejet for more fuel due to the Ethanol, and set you timing accordingly.

You will just have to put up with driving a 3000lb paperweight....!!

it's a new fuel pump, carb kitt, and some fuel line if you have a lot of rubber line. Overall it's about $250 conversion. We have a 70 Challanger and a IMPCA car that runs on E-85. They run fine, a lot cooler, and throttle responce is unbelievable...

but the Chally gets about 3 mpg ...

[Todd Wilson]

Well, I was looking at an older magazine the other day, contemplating modifying a TQ to run e-85 Ethanol in a 400 BB.

It doesnt seem to be that much of an issue as long as you rejet for more fuel due to the Ethanol, and set you timing accordingly.

You will just have to put up with driving a 3000lb paperweight....!!

it's a new fuel pump, carb kitt, and some fuel line if you have a lot of rubber line. Overall it's about $250 conversion. We have a 70 Challanger and a IMPCA car that runs on E-85. They run fine, a lot cooler, and throttle responce is unbelievable...

but the Chally gets about 3 mpg ...

All you have to do is rejet and tune and time the car. You dont have to replace all that rubber stuff.    Once the car is on E85 you need to stay on E85.  I know a guy in town here with a big block 69 Dart thats running E85 and other then being a tad harder to start in the winter it runs great and is putting out 10sec 1/4's and runs cooler. Start with a 30% more jet in the carb and see where you end up running wise.


Todd